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Post by jarvinski on Jan 15, 2018 12:21:36 GMT
Hughes had to go
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2018 12:22:06 GMT
He may do. I have no idea. He's a bag of shite but we've got to hope he organises them and goes from there. I saw him at Anfield with a few Wolves mates. The team looked organised and they still took the game to Liverpool. I'd still have him over Hughes. Wolves fans hate him don't they?
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jan 15, 2018 12:25:34 GMT
I was impressed with the Wolves reserve team that he was in charge of ,that so convincingly beat us in last years FA cup, but I've no idea if that was his team , either way they were well organised
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 15, 2018 12:26:25 GMT
I saw him at Anfield with a few Wolves mates. The team looked organised and they still took the game to Liverpool. I'd still have him over Hughes. Wolves fans hate him don't they? Can only speak for the friends I have that support Wolves and they've said he will probably get us more organised and the squad we have is good enough to stay up. Obviously they love Nuno and can't stop talking about him so...
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Jan 15, 2018 12:29:14 GMT
Hughes had to go on principle, however the club as a whole has shown its true colours. If they are not interested or willing to fund it and run it properly they should have sold,
Lambert is a poor choice, especially on the length of contract. He’s out of work, a 6 month contract with an option on both sides would have made business sense.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Jan 15, 2018 12:32:27 GMT
Hughes had to go on principle, however the club as a whole has shown its true colours. If they are not interested or willing to fund it and run it properly they should have sold, Lambert is a poor choice, especially on the length of contract. He’s out of work, a 6 month contract with an option on both sides would have made business sense. You've hit the nail on the head. The problem here isn't the sacking of Hughes, or even the appointment of Lambert. Whilst completely uninspiring, it's not about the individuals involved. It's the fact that it's now 100% clear that the owners have pulled the plug financially. I don't believe for a minute that QSF simply changed his mind - he wasn't happy with the deal, and neither were any other potentially exciting appointments, because we're simply not willing to pay. They're perfectly happy for us to sink back down to where we came from.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 15, 2018 12:33:48 GMT
If it was a straight choice between the two at the time of Hughes' sacking then, yes, I'd probably have stuck with him. However, it wasn't, he's now here and there's not a lot else we can do other than back him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 15, 2018 12:36:51 GMT
After the initial shock of the ineptitude of our executives and a few deep breaths, I'm looking forward to seeing how this pans out. He's clearly done his homework on the players and has an actual plan on how to garner some points.
This has to be preferable to Hughes's increasingly odd behaviour and tendency to pluck systems and tactics out of a hat.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 15, 2018 12:37:50 GMT
Mark Hughes had lost it. Totally lost it. Over a period of 18 months he went from a confident competent manager to one who had no idea how to do his job.
We all need to get behind our new manager. 6 wins will keep us up.
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Post by ed5993 on Jan 15, 2018 12:43:41 GMT
Hughes had gone totally septic - 4 and a bit years and no fresh ideas this season, and the football was for sure regressing. Too unlikely to turn it around - a change was required.
Hughes was given plenty of chances to prove otherwise - half a season and still going backwards, still persisting with tactics and shape (or lack of) that were consistently not getting results. He built that squad and is ultimately accountable for the longer term performances, both good and bad (I.e. as accountable for the 9th place finishes as where we are now)
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Post by PolPotter on Jan 15, 2018 12:45:41 GMT
Never. Hughes one of the worst managers I've ever seen. You've not been a Stoke supporter for very long then.
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Post by marshescontactlens on Jan 15, 2018 12:47:16 GMT
Hughes had not shown anything to make me believe that he could turn this season around. Lambert has backed himself and much as the fan base is underwhelmed by his appointment, we will have to enjoy the ride. Ultimately the dithering by the board over Hughes sacking, allowing him to carry on until the final 16 games is what I believe has cost us the chance of landing our first choice targets.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jan 15, 2018 12:59:48 GMT
H needed to go. So does Lambert.
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Post by cheshirepotter on Jan 15, 2018 13:04:33 GMT
No
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 15, 2018 13:09:08 GMT
Meh.
As manager; played, won, drawn, lost, win %
Mark Hughes - 583, 223, 148, 212, 38.3% Paul Lambert - 506, 198, 117, 191, 39.1%
Arguably LMH's games were at a higher standard.
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Post by malisastokie on Jan 15, 2018 13:18:14 GMT
Hughes had to go otherwise we would be relegated because he had turned us into a side who could find a loss out of a win.
We might still be relegated but at least the new manager could do no worse than Hughes.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 15, 2018 13:19:13 GMT
our problems at the club run far deeper than the manager, be it the ex manager or the new one.
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Post by maine on Jan 15, 2018 13:23:37 GMT
If I'd known that Lambert was the alternative yes I'd have wanted Hughes to stay.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 15, 2018 13:24:53 GMT
I would have kept Sparky over the new appointment.
2014 9th 2015 9th 2016 9th 2017 13th - only 3 pts from 8th! 2018 we will never know
Barnsley here we come.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 15, 2018 13:35:09 GMT
Meh. As manager; played, won, drawn, lost, win % Mark Hughes - 583, 223, 148, 212, 38.3% Paul Lambert - 506, 198, 117, 191, 39.1% Arguably LMH's games were at a higher standard. PL's win ratio in the Prem is around 26% according to the other thread. That's a massive difference from Sparkys 38 obviously, I'm not filled with confidence on this one..
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Post by mattface on Jan 15, 2018 13:42:36 GMT
Not me had to go
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 15, 2018 13:47:34 GMT
Meh. As manager; played, won, drawn, lost, win % Mark Hughes - 583, 223, 148, 212, 38.3% Paul Lambert - 506, 198, 117, 191, 39.1% Arguably LMH's games were at a higher standard. PL's win ratio in the Prem is around 26% according to the other thread. That's a massive difference from Sparkys 38 obviously, I'm not filled with confidence on this one.. Nor am I. After United we've got Huddersfield, Watford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Leicester and Southampton. 3 at home and 3 away. I guess if Lambert's going to do it then he's got a good opportunity but I'm not sure. That said there are only 6 points between us in the drop zone and Watford in 10th.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 15, 2018 13:48:26 GMT
Not for me.
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Post by hoofmagic on Jan 15, 2018 13:50:21 GMT
Hughes had to go .....................
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Post by nott1 on Jan 15, 2018 14:33:54 GMT
I was impressed with the Wolves reserve team that he was in charge of ,that so convincingly beat us in last years FA cup, but I've no idea if that was his team , either way they were well organised Sign 'em all!
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Post by mks1958 on Jan 15, 2018 16:10:48 GMT
Me too,this is a desperate appointment,hope I'm proven wrong
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Post by mks1958 on Jan 15, 2018 16:13:06 GMT
Meh. As manager; played, won, drawn, lost, win % Mark Hughes - 583, 223, 148, 212, 38.3% Paul Lambert - 506, 198, 117, 191, 39.1% Arguably LMH's games were at a higher standard. Not arguably, definitely.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 15, 2018 16:16:08 GMT
At their respective bests, Hughes is a far better manager.
But that wasn't the Mark Hughes we'd got for the last couple of years.
By the end David Icke looked a more sane, coherent, inspirational choice than the version of Mark Hughes we were left with.
He had to go.
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Post by liamo on Jan 15, 2018 16:22:33 GMT
Hughes vs Lambert is putting known vs unknown
One thing is certain though, Hughes HAD to go, he should have gone in the summer but he definitely 1,000,000% had to go after Coventry, his tactics were all over the place, his formation was changing weekly, his refusal to accept any responsibility for fucking up week in week out was infuriating and it could not go on
As for Lambert, it's all speculation, something might click and fall in to place and he might be the best thing since sliced bread, he might turn out to be a bad appointment.. to that i'd say how bad would he have to be to be worse than Hughes? Don't forget about all the big goal twattings we took, the complete lack of fitness, the slow fucking starts every single season, not buying players in problem areas, our complete lack of solidity and commitment... i could go on
But yeah, until Lambert has failed he's still much better at the job than Hughes
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 15, 2018 16:30:24 GMT
I supported Hughes relentlessly up to when we started dropping points against rival bottom teams we should (and during the games actually were) beat. But I started to turn when we failed to beat Brighton and Palace from winning positions and losing to West Ham with a dreadful performance was the last straw. When it gets to the point where the manager's job depends on the next result it is already too late, so it did't matter to me that we beat West Brom as far as Hughes future was concerned we had reached an untenable position and he had to go. Leaving action till we were into the transfer season was a dreadful error by the Board. I said all season Coates would remove Hughes at Christmas if we were still in a mess, but I was wrong.
I'm fully behind Lambert now and think many critical comments about him are despicable. He has never had a first class set-up to manage; now he has got his chance to prove himself. He needs to get experts in in fitness, defending, and honing basic skills such as passing and shooting. He certainly pulled our pants down in the Wolves match.
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