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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:01:58 GMT
Wimmer for Tymon, don't really know how to react to that Its like choosing between having your head chopped by the guillotine or facing the firing squad Wimmer stabilised our defence tonight. Not saying he did exceptionally well, but we did better with him
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 15, 2018 22:02:42 GMT
Lambert needs to have em running up and down a very large hill for the next few days Or doing my garden^ You'd trust Wimmer in your garden with sharp implements about.
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 15, 2018 22:02:56 GMT
An utterly predictable outcome but we had some really good chances and in that respect it’s much better than the other away games at the top six. Also it was an improvement that we didn’t capitulate when we conceded the second.
Lambert will have learned plenty.
Massive transfer window and massive 6 games coming up. Something we can get excited about at long last.
BM
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 15, 2018 22:04:08 GMT
Thought we were really good today, no shame in that performance at all. Tymon, Wimper, Fletcher, Berahino and Imbula should never pull on a Stoke City shirt again, we were better than under Lethargic Les however that is not saying a lot , the squad needs a major overhaul mid season thanks mark and his team you have well and truly fcuked the club up.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 15, 2018 22:05:47 GMT
Its like choosing between having your head chopped by the guillotine or facing the firing squad Wimmer stabilised our defence tonight. Not saying he did exceptionally well, but we did better with him Your bait is stale must do better
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Post by adi on Jan 15, 2018 22:06:48 GMT
One of our best performances, but we need 3 players in. If we can grind 3-4 wins out in the next 6-8 weeks and get a settled formation and team then we will start to look like the Stoke City we have come to know and Not this shower of shit that we’ve watched for nearly 2 years. *best performances in the current season. More guild going forward with Ireland, if chopu would’ve been on it today then we may have posed more of a threat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:07:44 GMT
Like I said, if as some think, Diouf is the best striker we've got, we are in big trouble! Then tell who is our best striker if not the one who is our topscorer?
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 15, 2018 22:08:19 GMT
With the ball we were really good, at least until the 3rd went in. Created numerous chances, we really should've been on the score-sheet. When was the last time we created that many clear-cut chances away from home? Understandably some tired legs at the end.
But defensively, as a team, we look so brittle. Any time anyone is running at us it's like we melt away. Poor Tymon - so far out of his depth, carries much of the responsibility for both 1st half goals. All you Pieters haters, there's no way he'd have given Valencia that amount of space inside. He's a decent FB, hopefully PL will ask him to play as one.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 15, 2018 22:08:56 GMT
Yes, playing better is a good start but one 3-0 defeat is the same as another 3-0 defeat, we still haven't scored and we have conceded three. Just look at the stats at the end of the season And that is what we have been reduced to almost celebrating a three nil defeat, God I hate Mark Hughes. Really? You would never know.🤔
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 15, 2018 22:09:14 GMT
Didn't think that was too bad a performance in the circumstances. With Pogba in that form, no team outside the top four is going to get much there. Decent in the first half but with one or two minor lapses that were ruthlessly punished. Created some decent half chances at the other end and probably should have taken one. Second half wasn't quite so great, but they did not capitulate and Diouf was a bit unlucky not to score at the end. This game was always a bonus. The battle starts next Saturday. I saw enough fight and enough quality tonight to believe we have a good chance of getting out of this, although it will probably be tight. I was hoping for more tonight, possibly misguided but I expected us to be more solid. I don’t see how we can patch up the ultra leaky defence. And we don’t have a decent striker. And a powerful midfielder. A crap core to the side
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 15, 2018 22:10:14 GMT
Lambert is taking on a hell of a task. Hughes didn’t have half these problems when he took over. It’s a poor legacy. Agreed
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Post by jeycov on Jan 15, 2018 22:12:34 GMT
Its like choosing between having your head chopped by the guillotine or facing the firing squad Wimmer stabilised our defence tonight. Not saying he did exceptionally well, but we did better with him Wimmer isn’t a full back
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 15, 2018 22:12:56 GMT
Lambert is taking on a hell of a task. Hughes didn’t have half these problems when he took over. It’s a poor legacy. That's a good point well made wuzza. Have to say .. Even though I've been generally supportive of Hughes.. things have unravelled at a pretty alarming rate. My own take on this: 1. Hughes catastrophic technical change. 2. Whoever signed and sanctioned the three amigos needs sacking. Those two points (In a very brief summary) address our rapid demise. Scotch induced post as an anaesthetic to the game.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 15, 2018 22:13:16 GMT
Like I said, if as some think, Diouf is the best striker we've got, we are in big trouble! Then tell who is our best striker if not the one who is our topscorer? Must be Berahino £12 million and not even on the bench again, we really needed his good runs tonight.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 15, 2018 22:13:54 GMT
Everyone can see what’s wrong with Stoke. Even Chris Waddle! 5 live called it before kickoff and repeatedly during the game. If PL is as clued up about this squad as PC tells us then he will see it too. Okay in possession but no penetration Not fit enough No pace No goal scoring threat Simple defensive mistakes Too many players who are all a bit past it and meh
You picked him PC now back him properly in the next two weeks and give the bloke a chance. Starting tomorrow, do your bit Board and CEO hand in pocket give the bloke a chance.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 15, 2018 22:14:47 GMT
Wimmer stabilised our defence tonight. Not saying he did exceptionally well, but we did better with him Wimmer isn’t a full back He isn't a footballer end of.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:16:17 GMT
Shaq is still on the pitch, shouldn't he have gone off after 6o minutes? If he'd scored with his scissors kick or his other chance, he'd been our hero, maybe even our matchwinner. But he's too easy to knock off his stride when things don't work for him. His secondhalf performance was an insult to the club and his teammates. He just doesn't know what is required when you're up against it, having never previously fought against relegation. He has this idea that he must be the grandiose maestro. On at least a couple of occasions he had a number of teammates close by whom he could have played instead he chose to play a 50 yard pass across the pitch which each time went straight to an opponent. The third goal was indirectly due to him losing a ball which he didnt bother chasing back for. If we do survive then I suppose we might need him, but in the current situation we're better off without him.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 15, 2018 22:17:26 GMT
Going by the radio, the BBC and some of the comments on here - our travelling fans are awesome; the weather is awful; at times in the first half Ireland was equal to or better than Pogba but now looks like he's returning from a very bad long term injury; our new defender is fit and enthusiastic; we still can't score but have created some chances/seen a world class save deny Shaq; Wimmer needs to look in the mirror and perhaps be sent to a rugby boot camp to wake him up .... and, going by the first half - PL does have something to work with. There is hope! Didn't stop singing all game - need more of the same Saturday. More fight in that side tonight than in recent games. Need to tighten up at both ends though I don’t believe that the majority of our fans who go to away games are the ones that are constantly moaning Great effort tonight
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 15, 2018 22:18:01 GMT
Like I said, if as some think, Diouf is the best striker we've got, we are in big trouble! Then tell who is our best striker if not the one who is our topscorer? Thats the problem Diouf is probably the best striker we have But its like saying that the best meal you ever had was a BigMac from McDonalds The situation is so depressing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:22:01 GMT
With the ball we were really good, at least until the 3rd went in. Created numerous chances, we really should've been on the score-sheet. When was the last time we created that many clear-cut chances away from home? Understandably some tired legs at the end. But defensively, as a team, we look so brittle. Any time anyone is running at us it's like we melt away. Poor Tymon - so far out of his depth, carries much of the responsibility for both 1st half goals. All you Pieters haters, there's no way he'd have given Valencia that amount of space inside. He's a decent FB, hopefully PL will ask him to play as one. The first was not really Tymon's fault. Because Choupo didn't bother looking after Valencia, Tymon who was marking Mata, was forced to break out of defence and attempt to narrow Valencia down. But before he got there properly the goal had gone in. If you must blame anyone, blame Choupo. Pieters, although better than Tymon. could not have helped in that situation.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 15, 2018 22:23:17 GMT
Didn't stop singing all game - need more of the same Saturday. More fight in that side tonight than in recent games. Need to tighten up at both ends though I don’t believe that the majority of our fans who go to away games are the ones that are constantly moaning Great effort tonight I believe the ones doing all the moaning are the ones who don't go at all
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:28:19 GMT
You'd trust Wimmer in your garden with sharp implements about. My dog is like a seal with a ball on the end of his nose Wimmer would be knackered chasing him in 3 minutes
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 15, 2018 22:32:40 GMT
Everyone can see what’s wrong with Stoke. Even Chris Waddle! 5 live called it before kickoff and repeatedly during the game. If PL is as clued up about this squad as PC tells us then he will see it too. Okay in possession but no penetration Not fit enough No pace No goal scoring threat Simple defensive mistakes Too many players who are all a bit past it and meh You picked him PC now back him properly in the next two weeks and give the bloke a chance. Starting tomorrow, do your bit Board and CEO hand in pocket give the bloke a chance. Anyone? I don’t see that. Apart from two errors by Tymon, with Choupo also culpable for no support to him, we gave as good as we got until we tired which is understandable as Bauer, Bruno and Ireland are all coming back to fitness. Improve the organisation, provide the classic new manager boost, have more luck with injuries to defenders and sign a couple of players in midfield and a pacey forward and his stay up bonus is guranteed.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 15, 2018 22:32:52 GMT
You'd trust Wimmer in your garden with sharp implements about. My dog is like a seal with a ball on the end of his nose Wimmer would be knackered chasing him in 3 minutes Could be an innovative new training regime. Get the ball off revivals sealdog. Phone Carto he'll sign you up (or your sealdog)
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 15, 2018 22:34:46 GMT
Fans were on another level tonight. Every single one of you to a man you’ve done the club proud.
Thought the team did well too, no shame in that performance at all. Conceded 2 exceptional goals and made a few chances of our own first half.
UTMP
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Post by andystokey on Jan 15, 2018 22:47:53 GMT
Everyone can see what’s wrong with Stoke. Even Chris Waddle! 5 live called it before kickoff and repeatedly during the game. If PL is as clued up about this squad as PC tells us then he will see it too. Okay in possession but no penetration Not fit enough No pace No goal scoring threat Simple defensive mistakes Too many players who are all a bit past it and meh You picked him PC now back him properly in the next two weeks and give the bloke a chance. Starting tomorrow, do your bit Board and CEO hand in pocket give the bloke a chance. Anyone? I don’t see that. Apart from two errors by Tymon, ( Simple defensive mistakes) with Choupo also culpable for no support to him, we gave as good as we got until we tired ( Not fit enough) which is understandable as Bauer, Bruno and Ireland are all coming back to fitness. Improve the organisation, ( Okay in possession but no penetration) provide the classic new manager boost, have more luck with injuries to defenders and sign a couple of players ( Too many players who are all a bit past it and meh)in midfield and a pacey ( No pace) forward ( No goal scoring threat) and his stay up bonus is guranteed. I think you just completely agreed with me
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Post by kustokie on Jan 15, 2018 23:12:17 GMT
Anyone? I don’t see that. Apart from two errors by Tymon, ( Simple defensive mistakes) with Choupo also culpable for no support to him, we gave as good as we got until we tired ( Not fit enough) which is understandable as Bauer, Bruno and Ireland are all coming back to fitness. Improve the organisation, ( Okay in possession but no penetration) provide the classic new manager boost, have more luck with injuries to defenders and sign a couple of players ( Too many players who are all a bit past it and meh)in midfield and a pacey ( No pace) forward ( No goal scoring threat) and his stay up bonus is guranteed. I think you just completely agreed with me That’s the way I read it too. Apart from lacking all the basic areas required to be successful in the Premier League, we are a pretty good team. The shit never really got out of second gear and pounced like a cat when we made a basic mistake.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 15, 2018 23:16:50 GMT
I’ve said many times, you can’t blame Hughes for him not being sacked months earlier than he was. Fair enough he couldn’t do the job but you are a lying fucker if you tell me in his position you would have resigned and thrown away guaranteed wages. This is Coates and the boards fault, anyone who doesn’t see it is blind. If I was in his financial position and had any regard for the club I would have walked, if I was that incompetent at my job I would not be able to stand the embarrassment, he has fcuked our club up along with the dithering dick heads that run it, hopefully the clown has lost all credibility as a manager we are QPR revisited. Unfortunately Stoke City FC are Peter Coates’s vanity hobby. He should accept that and hand over the reins of power or sell out to someone who knows what they are doing before it’s too late.
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 15, 2018 23:20:03 GMT
With the ball we were really good, at least until the 3rd went in. Created numerous chances, we really should've been on the score-sheet. When was the last time we created that many clear-cut chances away from home? Understandably some tired legs at the end. But defensively, as a team, we look so brittle. Any time anyone is running at us it's like we melt away. Poor Tymon - so far out of his depth, carries much of the responsibility for both 1st half goals. All you Pieters haters, there's no way he'd have given Valencia that amount of space inside. He's a decent FB, hopefully PL will ask him to play as one. The first was not really Tymon's fault. Because Choupo didn't bother looking after Valencia, Tymon who was marking Mata, was forced to break out of defence and attempt to narrow Valencia down. But before he got there properly the goal had gone in. If you must blame anyone, blame Choupo. Pieters, although better than Tymon. could not have helped in that situation. That's not how I remember it mate. Tymon got out to Valencia and was faced up to him, should have showed him outside. Valencia shuffled his feet a bit then just moved the ball to his left and was suddenly in 5 yards of space. No way Pieters would've let that happen. I'll admit I haven't watched a replay since it happened but I know I was yelling at the screen for Tymon to get closer at the time. I'll agree Choupo didn't help much throughout the first half, but Tymon always seemed to be reacting too slow. And really no confidence on the ball. But he was thrown in the deep end tonight so if I come across as being too hard on him that's not my intention.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 4:11:32 GMT
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