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Post by alsagerstokie on Jan 11, 2018 21:21:25 GMT
Without trying to get to political.
Were here again
I work for it. Am currently under Royal Stoke having physio for an Ortho problem. Can't thank the Physios enough with how they have been.
I see how valuable the staff are Nurses Physios Doctors Porters Cleaners Paramedics.
I also see how many people need it.
Senior doctors out today saying Patients passing away in corridors. Full A&E's
I have a relative in at the moment he's coming home Fri. He's in his 80's we don't think he's ready. I suspect they need his bed like they need so many more beds.
Have you had care and do you rate it.
Will there ever be a solution to the problem.
I cut down on Managers
I only know the staff are superb the organization is at breaking point.
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Jan 11, 2018 22:19:28 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 11, 2018 22:19:28 GMT
The people on the front line are brilliant but the system itself hoovers up money (and wastes it) at such a rate it's unbelievable.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 14, 2018 8:53:26 GMT
MrsBath revived at newborn from death in the week. Said she was"a bit shaky"afterwards
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Post by chrisgal on Jan 14, 2018 9:51:15 GMT
I stand to be corrected but I always thought it was wrong that qualified nursing staff could earn much more working for agencies sub contracting to the NHS than working for the NHS direct. The NHS must be paying a fortune to agencies. Couldn't this money be used to pay NHS nurses more money to make working for the NHS more attractive?
I also think that PFI has a lot to answer for as the NHS used to own all the buildings that they had and are now paying a fortune in rent.
I know of several NHS owned buildings that are not being used like Leek Hostpital etc. Why then are the NHS renting buildings all over Stoke on Trent instead of utilising all the empty buildings that they own?
Closing beds at Leek Hospoital, Bradwell Hospital, Cheadle Hospital, and Longton Hospital etc. have had a knock on effect. All of these places would have been ideal for your relatives aftercare. They were a sort of half way house for people who were not well enough to go home but did not need the facilities that are available at Royal Stoke. If these beds were still open the Royal Stoke could discharge people earlier knowing that they would get 24 hour care from qualified NHS nurses. They have tried to replace this service with staff that are often unqualified running about in thier own cars and popping in 3/4 times a day to cover basic needs.
I am probably missing something as I am not an accountant and have never worked for the NHS.
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Post by cooper67 on Jan 14, 2018 11:37:09 GMT
I stand to be corrected but I always thought it was wrong that qualified nursing staff could earn much more working for agencies sub contracting to the NHS than working for the NHS direct. The NHS must be paying a fortune to agencies. Couldn't this money be used to pay NHS nurses more money to make working for the NHS more attractive? I also think that PFI has a lot to answer for as the NHS used to own all the buildings that they had and are now paying a fortune in rent. I know of several NHS owned buildings that are not being used like Leek Hostpital etc. Why then are the NHS renting buildings all over Stoke on Trent instead of utilising all the empty buildings that they own? Closing beds at Leek Hospoital, Bradwell Hospital, Cheadle Hospital, and Longton Hospital etc. have had a knock on effect. All of these places would have been ideal for your relatives aftercare. They were a sort of half way house for people who were not well enough to go home but did not need the facilities that are available at Royal Stoke. If these beds were still open the Royal Stoke could discharge people earlier knowing that they would get 24 hour care from qualified NHS nurses. They have tried to replace this service with staff that are often unqualified running about in thier own cars and popping in 3/4 times a day to cover basic needs. I am probably missing something as I am not an accountant and have never worked for the NHS. I certainly know that when I worked for the NHS that they shot themselves in the foot other nurse's pay. They thought the way to save money was to not pay out overtime at time and a half,and ask nurse's to go on the bank and pick up extra shifts that way.Thus being paid at normal rate or just above.When the NHS found out that they were short of staff they started to use agencies-thus alot of their nurse's now started to pick up shifts with the agencies instead of picking them up on the bank.Capitalism at it's best. |
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 14, 2018 13:02:47 GMT
Without trying to get to political. Were here again I work for it. Am currently under Royal Stoke having physio for an Ortho problem. Can't thank the Physios enough with how they have been. I see how valuable the staff are Nurses Physios Doctors Porters Cleaners Paramedics. I also see how many people need it. Senior doctors out today saying Patients passing away in corridors. Full A&E's I have a relative in at the moment he's coming home Fri. He's in his 80's we don't think he's ready. I suspect they need his bed like they need so many more beds. Have you had care and do you rate it. Will there ever be a solution to the problem. I cut down on Managers I only know the staff are superb the organization is at breaking point. Only ever had excellent care, fortunately It’s simple economics. Many more people being looked after under NHS but money per head decreased |
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 14, 2018 14:42:06 GMT
I stand to be corrected but I always thought it was wrong that qualified nursing staff could earn much more working for agencies sub contracting to the NHS than working for the NHS direct. The NHS must be paying a fortune to agencies. Couldn't this money be used to pay NHS nurses more money to make working for the NHS more attractive? I also think that PFI has a lot to answer for as the NHS used to own all the buildings that they had and are now paying a fortune in rent. I know of several NHS owned buildings that are not being used like Leek Hostpital etc. Why then are the NHS renting buildings all over Stoke on Trent instead of utilising all the empty buildings that they own? Closing beds at Leek Hospoital, Bradwell Hospital, Cheadle Hospital, and Longton Hospital etc. have had a knock on effect. All of these places would have been ideal for your relatives aftercare. They were a sort of half way house for people who were not well enough to go home but did not need the facilities that are available at Royal Stoke. If these beds were still open the Royal Stoke could discharge people earlier knowing that they would get 24 hour care from qualified NHS nurses. They have tried to replace this service with staff that are often unqualified running about in thier own cars and popping in 3/4 times a day to cover basic needs. I am probably missing something as I am not an accountant and have never worked for the NHS. It's not just nurses. There's a company in Stoke called Vocare that supplies agency Drs to hospitals all over the country |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jan 14, 2018 15:23:22 GMT
I stand to be corrected but I always thought it was wrong that qualified nursing staff could earn much more working for agencies sub contracting to the NHS than working for the NHS direct. The NHS must be paying a fortune to agencies. Couldn't this money be used to pay NHS nurses more money to make working for the NHS more attractive? I also think that PFI has a lot to answer for as the NHS used to own all the buildings that they had and are now paying a fortune in rent. I know of several NHS owned buildings that are not being used like Leek Hostpital etc. Why then are the NHS renting buildings all over Stoke on Trent instead of utilising all the empty buildings that they own? Closing beds at Leek Hospoital, Bradwell Hospital, Cheadle Hospital, and Longton Hospital etc. have had a knock on effect. All of these places would have been ideal for your relatives aftercare. They were a sort of half way house for people who were not well enough to go home but did not need the facilities that are available at Royal Stoke. If these beds were still open the Royal Stoke could discharge people earlier knowing that they would get 24 hour care from qualified NHS nurses. They have tried to replace this service with staff that are often unqualified running about in thier own cars and popping in 3/4 times a day to cover basic needs. I am probably missing something as I am not an accountant and have never worked for the NHS. I certainly know that when I worked for the NHS that they shot themselves in the foot other nurse's pay. They thought the way to save money was to not pay out overtime at time and a half,and ask nurse's to go on the bank and pick up extra shifts that way.Thus being paid at normal rate or just above.When the NHS found out that they were short of staff they started to use agencies-thus alot of their nurse's now started to pick up shifts with the agencies instead of picking them up on the bank.Capitalism at it's best. Spot on mate. On a slight tangent I can’t see that the problem with the NHS is all about money. My Dad has recently had a ten day stay in hospital and I can only say that his care was fucking shocking. He had 4 pressure sores when he was discharged and the nursing care was abysmal. They did their level best to finish him off, by giving him the wrong medication and by starving the poor fucker. My parents both spent their working life in the NHS, as did my grandparents. To see them being let down by it now is disappointing to say the least. I honestly think the problem now Craig is that some so called professional people don’t really care anymore. |
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Post by cooper67 on Jan 14, 2018 15:39:52 GMT
I certainly know that when I worked for the NHS that they shot themselves in the foot other nurse's pay. They thought the way to save money was to not pay out overtime at time and a half,and ask nurse's to go on the bank and pick up extra shifts that way.Thus being paid at normal rate or just above.When the NHS found out that they were short of staff they started to use agencies-thus alot of their nurse's now started to pick up shifts with the agencies instead of picking them up on the bank.Capitalism at it's best. Spot on mate. On a slight tangent I can’t see that the problem with the NHS is all about money. My Dad has recently had a ten day stay in hospital and I can only say that his care was fucking shocking. He had 4 pressure sores when he was discharged and the nursing care was abysmal. They did their level best to finish him off, by giving him the wrong medication and by starving the poor fucker. My parents both spent their working life in the NHS, as did my grandparents. To see them being let down by it now is disappointing to say the least. I honestly think the problem now Craig is that some so called professional people don’t really care anymore. I did see this when I was in last year Paul. The diabetic nurse came round and saw me and told me about taking my bloods and doing my injections. When some of the ward agency nurse's did my injections-I questioned how they did them.I might as well have been talking to the wall.Even when I was being discharged a nurse was telling me how to do them (I had never seen her before!) and the ward staff were telling her I was a nurse and knew what to do. Sometimes you can't make it up. |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jan 14, 2018 15:51:27 GMT
Spot on mate. On a slight tangent I can’t see that the problem with the NHS is all about money. My Dad has recently had a ten day stay in hospital and I can only say that his care was fucking shocking. He had 4 pressure sores when he was discharged and the nursing care was abysmal. They did their level best to finish him off, by giving him the wrong medication and by starving the poor fucker. My parents both spent their working life in the NHS, as did my grandparents. To see them being let down by it now is disappointing to say the least. I honestly think the problem now Craig is that some so called professional people don’t really care anymore. I did see this when I was in last year Paul. The diabetic nurse came round and saw me and told me about taking my bloods and doing my injections. When some of the ward agency nurse's did my injections-I questioned how they did them.I might as well have been talking to the wall.Even when I was being discharged a nurse was telling me how to do them (I had never seen her before!) and the ward staff were telling her I was a nurse and knew what to do. Sometimes you can't make it up. It’s chaos Craig. Fucking chaos. |
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Jan 17, 2018 2:15:36 GMT
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Post by 3putts on Jan 17, 2018 2:15:36 GMT
Agencies are the biggest problem.i heard of nurses being paid £1,000 a shift over xmas as they were tgat desperate.agencies are nothing but parasites.they exist in every walk of life these days and its not for tge better
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Post by Boothen on Jan 17, 2018 7:38:09 GMT
There are far too many middle-managers on ridiculous salaries and we're way too generous with our free treatment of foreign health tourists. If it's not an emergency and you're not a British national then you either pay first (or at least hand over your credit/debit card details) or you fuck off elsewhere. It's going to take a fucking age to get sorted out.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 17, 2018 9:19:56 GMT
NHS 'haemorrhaging' nurses as 33,000 leave each year link |
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Post by chrisgal on Jan 17, 2018 11:47:41 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 17, 2018 14:53:17 GMT
A big issue is how unattractive nursing is to young students. NHS only really gets negative national publicty, the bursary has been scrapped, the wages are low but not low enough for newly qualified nurses to start paying their fees back. The pay cap really bit hard too. I'm not surprised nurses are leaving in droves to be honest.
My sister qualified this year, and some of the stuff she's had to do as a student nurse to account for shortages absolutely beggar belief. It obviously needs money, but throwing it at the problem without looking at the bigger picture is going to do absolutely nothing.
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Jan 17, 2018 17:02:35 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 17, 2018 17:02:35 GMT
A big issue is how unattractive nursing is to young students. NHS only really gets negative national publicty, the bursary has been scrapped, the wages are low but not low enough for newly qualified nurses to start paying their fees back. The pay cap really bit hard too. I'm not surprised nurses are leaving in droves to be honest. My sister qualified this year, and some of the stuff she's had to do as a student nurse to account for shortages absolutely beggar belief. It obviously needs money, but throwing it at the problem without looking at the bigger picture is going to do absolutely nothing. Maybe the answer is to offer free training to nurses But on the condition they must work ten years for the NHS or pay the full cost of there training To many nurses have took advantage of the best training in the world Than at the first opportunity jumped ship to maximise there income |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 17, 2018 17:07:11 GMT
Hospital tourism only accounts for 0.3% of the NHS Budget and the NHS spends £200 million quid a year on stationary. Easy target though I suppose. I'm not saying it's a problem, which of course it is but there's other things that can be fixed more quickly and will save a lot more money - varying levels of procurement by NHS, agency pay and as someone said, crazy salaries being two - I heard of a linen manager of a hospital being on £70k which is ludicrous. It's a complete mess, you only have to listen to James O' Brien's show on LBC today to realise that. Nurses telling their stories of why they left their professions due to varying reasons - guilt, debt, being fined for being late, feeling like patients lives were being endangered due to lack of staff etc. It's disgusting what this Government are doing to the NHS. |
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Jan 17, 2018 17:20:21 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 17, 2018 17:20:21 GMT
Hospital tourism only accounts for 0.3% of the NHS Budget and the NHS spends £200 million quid a year on stationary. Easy target though I suppose. Just because it isn't easy to tackle doesn't mean it should be ignored. Despite paying tax and national insurance since starting work nearly 20 years ago, when I've needed to use the NHS recently I've ended up paying out of my own pocket to get dealt with quicker. If you gave me the option of opting out of contributing to it and sorting myself out I would. I've invested in a service and when I come to use it one of the reasons I can't access it is because people are treating it as a global service. It's regularly used and abused by people which is probably half the reason it's failing. Where appointments are missed or ambulances called for minor reasons the answer is simple, recharge, recharge, recharge. Even if people didn't pay it'd highlight service abusers and these could be tackled. After my recent experience I won't set foot in my GP'S surgery or any NHS hospital again if I can help it. |
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 17, 2018 19:25:26 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 17, 2018 19:40:05 GMT
I'm afraid this is now part of the problem It's about time the health service was taken out of political point scoring The NHS is no longer fit for purpose as the purpose it was set up for no longer exists The NHS was not set up to give fertility treatment The NHS was not set up to give sex changes The NHS was not set up to give non life saving cosmetic surgery The NHS was not set up to give addicts there daily fix But most importantly the NHS was not set up to babysit our elderly In replace of family Some of which couldn't give a flying fuck who wipes grandads arse as long as they don't We have become a selfish generation who want everything and know the value of nothing There needs to be a serious debate about what we expect of the NHS And How to fund the NHS and meet them demands Preferably without political interference |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 19:53:33 GMT
Nhs physio’s were a fucking joke when I used them, in stoke and in Fleetwood
Those at stoke were always foreign students every week....and always a different one....none knowing where the last one left off.
Fleetwood ....well, the head one was fucking way off the mark and clueless
I pay to see an ex football / sports physio now and he’s far superior
Infact I learnt a bit about nhs physio’s and their tick box bollocks
Just my personal view of my experience and what I’ve learnt
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Post by bringontheclowns on Jan 17, 2018 21:12:27 GMT
Having a close relative recently diagnosed with a serious illness, I have to say that , in our case at least, the funding hasn't been a problem
However the total incompetence of some of these NHS staff is turning an already upsetting time into a nightmare
As far as I'm concerned, another 33% could fuck off tommorrow
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Jan 17, 2018 22:15:38 GMT
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Post by alsagerstokie on Jan 17, 2018 22:15:38 GMT
So my relative had the Doc out this morning. Within no time at all hes been blue lighted again. Back on a ward now. Trying to sort them. So was only told fri your going home. Now hes back in.
Two things that annoy me one. Interpreters. No one has mentioned this. 50 quid an hour some are on. When the person doesnt turn up to there appointnent and you still need to pay the interpreter who has turned up well dont start me.
Also what about the drunks on a friday or saturday who get so out of it they cause themselves harm. Then its oh ill have to go A&E. Should charge them imo.
These are only small parts of a bigger problem tho eh.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 18, 2018 10:48:25 GMT
A big issue is how unattractive nursing is to young students. NHS only really gets negative national publicty, the bursary has been scrapped, the wages are low but not low enough for newly qualified nurses to start paying their fees back. The pay cap really bit hard too. I'm not surprised nurses are leaving in droves to be honest. My sister qualified this year, and some of the stuff she's had to do as a student nurse to account for shortages absolutely beggar belief. It obviously needs money, but throwing it at the problem without looking at the bigger picture is going to do absolutely nothing. Maybe the answer is to offer free training to nurses But on the condition they must work ten years for the NHS or pay the full cost of there training To many nurses have took advantage of the best training in the world Than at the first opportunity jumped ship to maximise there income If the government scraps a bursary it's hardly likely to subsidise full training and with the way that student loans work it may actually work out as more profitable for graduates to go private than stick around for 10 years. I'd hardly call it taking advantage either, a 7 year 1% pay cap is going to bite whichever way you look at it, and given the quality care most nurses provide I can see why they'd leave. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 19, 2018 5:47:56 GMT
I love the NHS & want it to survive until I get back home. Older people cost a ton more and the last generation didn't put aside the money, so we're probably gonna have to fist my generation again to save it though. From my mates who work in or with the NHS it sounds desperate - shoddy pay for the stress etc. But they do an amazing job still.
I've had the American system for a few years and it's fucking disgusting. Great if you're rich and can shell out tons, but it treats poorer people like dirt. Millions without care. People working while sick until they drop. Kids growing up in bankrupt families because daddy got poisoned by the factory, etc.
The NHS cares for everyone with a budget of about £1700 per person. America's hopeless and corrupt system spends about £7400. I'm low risk so my insurance "only" costs £4300 with extra fees if I want to use it. The NHS is incredible but it needs more cash.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 20, 2018 18:11:44 GMT
Patient who 'froze to death' in 16 hour wait for ambulance among 40 deaths and failings under review link |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 20:30:33 GMT
The NHS have been ok with my Family in the past, however three things annoy me.
Parking Charges
TV/Radio Charges whilst in Hospital
No free WIFI
TEST
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 21, 2018 8:03:40 GMT
The NHS have been ok with my Family in the past, however three things annoy me. Parking Charges TV/Radio Charges whilst in Hospital No free WIFI TEST I would have no problem with parking charges at all if the money went to tje hospital or the NHS but in moat cases it go to a parasite company who do f**k all and make a killing. |
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 21, 2018 8:41:19 GMT
Two things that annoy me one. Interpreters. No one has mentioned this. 50 quid an hour some are on. When the person doesnt turn up to there appointnent and you still need to pay the interpreter who has turned up well dont start me. I live on the border of Mid Yorkshire Trust (which includes Dewsbury and Batley) and Bradford Trust and this is a massive problem here. As a county it costs over £10 million a year Bradford has also had to build a new childrens unit due to stress on the system from the massive over representation of birth defects in the city ('cultural issues' apparently) while other areas of the county are having neo natal services decimated by cuts. On top of this, Mid Yorkshire trust is being screwed daily thanks to the last labour government tieing us up with a PFI hospital at Pinderfields that is costing the same as building 3 hospital. This pisses me off even more because we have to constantly listen to a string of labour MPs, including the absoluely useless Tracy 'shit actress' Brabin and previously Saint Jo Cox, trying to blame the current government for every single problem and refusing to accept that they are equally to blame. |
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Mar 3, 2018 22:33:17 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 3, 2018 22:33:17 GMT
Three issues here for me. As though we did not already know, many parts of the NHS are privatised ( already) Why is Branson involved....does he think he could do it better( what makes him think that), cheaper, more efficiently or for profit. Whichever way you look at it, successfully suing the NHS is diverting money away from treatment , money provided by the tax payer. I don't know if he sued for a principle, to make a point, or because of his ego. Virgin Care sued the NHS last year after it lost out on an £82m contract to provide children’s health services across Surrey, citing concerns over “serious flaws” in the way the contract was awarded. www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-richard-branson-virgin-care-legal-settlement-tendering-contract-a8080961.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true |
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