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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2018 18:49:25 GMT
I have to say I really don’t get all the negativity around this pair🤔 Likewise I don't really see why some seem absolutely ecstatic at the prospect of them joining us. They may well be a success here and do a cracking job; there's no real way of forecasting the impact (or none) that they might make on our squad. I think the negativity generally comes from the fact that top-flight football has moved on since the last time MON had any modicum of success. His time at Sunderland was one of pisspoor transfers, low league position, and terrible football to boot. Whilst doing a decent job with Ireland (and nothing more), a good number of their fans seem absolutely bored senseless by grinding out 90 minutes of turgid stuff, culminating in their one chance to qualify for a their first world cup since 2002 to then absolutely bottle it and get thrashed 5-1 by Denmark at home. Keane's reputation as an absolute odious tosser precedes him too, and seems to have caused schisms in whichever dressing room he's managed in. If they are appointed then c'est la vie, of course they need to be backed and we have to move forward together and hope they can get the results we need to stay in the league. It feels like Coates has totally reverted to type though, and if it all goes tits up, I would expect the fans to turn pretty quickly tbh. At least with someone like QSF you could feel like there was some sort of long-term plan; a project that means some hope for the future even if we went down. With this pair? Not so much imo. Bang on, mate. I'd be enthused about this .....if it was 2008
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 13, 2018 18:49:37 GMT
Why is every body down on Roy Keane ? He is a well known hard man who speaks his mind . Exactly what is needed. Premier League management is a bit more complex than just shouting at people. Not saying I know different but how do you know that's all he does. Maybe he's mellowed there didn't seem to be many issues on that front in the Irish team/camp
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 13, 2018 18:49:53 GMT
Indeed But he won't be the manager,he will be one of the coaches. Having one guy in a managerial set up who plays bad cop is no bad thing. O'Neill is no idiot, he's astute enough to not rely on just shouting and pointing This isn't Alan Ball we are appointing this is a manager who wins trophies,who has in the main been hugely successful. What do people want? QSF despite a fantastic offer tilurned us down Do people really want Nigel Pearson or MacLaren? I don't get it. I think what we want is what we don’t have a hope of getting, which is a smart hierarchy and structure capable of making a progressive, modern appointment and who had a plan for this from the outset, rather than the usual parade of dinosaurs. As things stand, he’s one of the best options left, which is pretty depressing. It’s the sad state of English football Rob. I’d love to a younger progressive appointment if I’m honest. I love how the bundersliga has a good percentage of young coaches with fresh mindsets.
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Post by march4 on Jan 13, 2018 18:50:17 GMT
I fear the players will feel just as deflated at this news as many of us are.
It looks like a mid-season 'Kamara appointment' to me.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 13, 2018 18:50:48 GMT
Am I wrong here or what ? We only want MON on a short term deal, that is the clubs decision. So why would we cave and give him 3 years? Offer him a 6 month deal if he doesn’t want it then so be it. Go searching in the championship.
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Post by poethebald on Jan 13, 2018 18:50:50 GMT
Please no...Martin O'Neill who, when a pundit stated on live TV that Zlatan Ibrahimovic was over rated and Roy the thug Keane.....who Liam Lawrence stated would break some of our players.Christ what's going on....I despair if this is true!!!!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 13, 2018 18:51:01 GMT
Christ, I was so enthused about QSF this morning. And now this. Think I might have an early night - this has knocked the stuffing out of me! You'll be totally fucked so when you wake up in the morning and see we've appointed McClaren
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 13, 2018 18:51:03 GMT
cannot see why we have not been in contact with Thomas tutchel got be worth a phone call, better than any managers we have been looking at We rang him, he laughed and put the phone down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 18:51:20 GMT
My main reservation with O'Neil is would he be able to attract the quality of players we need? I am almost certain he'd keep us up..but we need to attract players whether it be now or in the summer He will attract them. We can start with Shane Long 😀 Oh God I was just on the way to resigning myself and settling on O'Neil....I don't want him after reading your reply haha
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Post by harrysburrow on Jan 13, 2018 18:51:26 GMT
No offence with regard to MON/Roy Keane, but Stoke really are masters in the art of the anti-climax. Talk about flat as a kipper's dick?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 18:51:36 GMT
It lacks courage and inspiration to appoint the likes of MON small time mentality and it will send us down.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 18:51:59 GMT
Premier League management is a bit more complex than just shouting at people. Not saying I know different but how do you know that's all he does. Maybe he's mellowed there didn't seem to be many issues on that front in the Irish team/camp It’s not so much him it’s the idea that “getting stuck into them on the training ground” is this massive cure for all our ills. This isn’t Westbury Park Rangers under-15s. I also can’t see much positive impact at club level he’s had in a managerial or assistant capacity, beyond getting Sunderland promoted with the biggest budget in the Championship.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 13, 2018 18:51:59 GMT
Best tell that to klopp, Conte, and probably 90% of managers in the league. Bloody short sighted views on here. Are you saying all they do is shout at people? Conte is one of the shrewdest tacticians in the league. Are you saying that's all that o'neill does. A very clever man and manager. Just because he shows passion on the touchline and demands 100% like klopp and Conte doesn't mean he can't manage.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 13, 2018 18:52:28 GMT
I fear the players will feel just as deflated at this news as many of us are. It looks like a mid-season 'Kamara appointment' to me. Charlie didn’t seem that way mate,infact he sounded quite happy with the prospect in his interview the other day🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 18:52:31 GMT
What do you think will happen after? I genuinely don't understand the reaction against him. For me I worry about the football, the players he is going to let go (our better players statistically this season) and the predictable formations he's going to play. I hope I'm wrong but it doesn't get me excited one bit. What better players are those. Is there a Stoke player who has been stand out this season? Joe has run a lot and given what he has, Crouch has done his best apart from that who else has put in a shift?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 13, 2018 18:52:33 GMT
Moyes, Hodgson, Allardyce, we don't want any of them. They are whats wrong with Football. Same people making a living out of a couple of seasons in a job before it all goes wrong. Then they move on to the next desperate club. QSF would have been a long term plan. O'Neill just sounds like a stop gap. That will be the same long term Flores who hasn't managed anywhere in his entire managerial career (2004) for longer than 2 years at a time?
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Post by lordb on Jan 13, 2018 18:52:41 GMT
I have to say I really don’t get all the negativity around this pair🤔 Likewise I don't really see why some seem absolutely ecstatic at the prospect of them joining us. They may well be a success here and do a cracking job; there's no real way of forecasting the impact (or none) that they might make on our squad. I think the negativity generally comes from the fact that top-flight football has moved on since the last time MON had any modicum of success. His time at Sunderland was one of pisspoor transfers, low league position, and terrible football to boot. Whilst doing a decent job with Ireland (and nothing more), a good number of their fans seem absolutely bored senseless by grinding out 90 minutes of turgid stuff, culminating in their one chance to qualify for a their first world cup since 2002 to then absolutely bottle it and get thrashed 5-1 by Denmark at home. Keane's reputation as an absolute odious tosser precedes him too, and seems to have caused schisms in whichever dressing room he's managed in. If they are appointed then c'est la vie, of course they need to be backed and we have to move forward together and hope they can get the results we need to stay in the league. It feels like Coates has totally reverted to type though, and if it all goes tits up, I would expect the fans to turn pretty quickly tbh. At least with someone like QSF you could feel like there was some sort of long-term plan; a project that means some hope for the future even if we went down. With this pair? Not so much imo. Ireland have really poor players,when is the last time they weren't turgid? I'm not ecstatic he's coming,QSF was definitely more interesting however I am pleased because he is probably the most likely manager available/who wants the job who will keep us up. Keane is definitely a bad man manager however he isn't the manager is he! He's just one of the team. O'Neill is a good man manager which has proven over and over again.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 13, 2018 18:53:15 GMT
Am I wrong here or what ? We only want MON on a short term deal, that is the clubs decision. So why would we cave and give him 3 years? Offer him a 6 month deal if he doesn’t want it then so be it. Go searching in the championship. It’ll be a 2 and a half year deal surely?
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Post by sportsman on Jan 13, 2018 18:53:56 GMT
I fear the players will feel just as deflated at this news as many of us are. It looks like a mid-season 'Kamara appointment' to me. I bet they'll be glad they've got someone coming in who is enthusiastic, determined, and will give 100% for us, unlike some Johnny foreigner might have done.
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Post by stokesupporter on Jan 13, 2018 18:54:03 GMT
Christ, I was so enthused about QSF this morning. And now this. Think I might have an early night - this has knocked the stuffing out of me! I still think it was always going to be MON. We just danced the dance or should I say media did the dancing. The main thing now is staying up and with MON we have a chance while QSF would have been a very big question mark.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 13, 2018 18:54:19 GMT
OK you're right. We should have held him at gunpoint until he signed. Nah, just having it ready within the hour would have done. Wouldn't have mattered one jot if he didn't intend to sign because the deal or the move wasn't right for him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 18:54:50 GMT
Are you saying all they do is shout at people? Conte is one of the shrewdest tacticians in the league. Are you saying that's all that o'neill does. A very clever man and manager. Just because he shows passion on the touchline and demands 100% like klopp and Conte doesn't mean he can't manage. I’m saying it’s basically all Keane does. If we get the O’Neill of old he’ll organise us and get some pace in, which is good. If we get the Sunderland version we’ll have a dreary bunch of cloggers on a downward spiral playing predictable, slow dreck.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 13, 2018 18:55:36 GMT
Not saying I know different but how do you know that's all he does. Maybe he's mellowed there didn't seem to be many issues on that front in the Irish team/camp It’s not so much him it’s the idea that “getting stuck into them on the training ground” is this massive cure for all our ills. This isn’t Westbury Park Rangers under-15s. I also can’t see much positive impact at club level he’s had in a managerial or assistant capacity, beyond getting Sunderland promoted with the biggest budget in the Championship. Fair enough, but if he helps getting our lot fitter and sharper I'm all for that, he won't be the manager and MON will have the ultimate say on tactics. Keane was a class player and maybe he can help improve the players as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 18:55:37 GMT
I fear the players will feel just as deflated at this news as many of us are. It looks like a mid-season 'Kamara appointment' to me. Charlie didn’t seem that way mate,infact he sounded quite happy with the prospect in his interview the other day🤔 Why do you think that is? There is less chance of him being hounded out of the club and more chance of him being foisted back into the starting lineup with a manager who openly favours British players, and a mental sidekick who loves players that run around kicking people. That doesn't mean the rest of the squad are of the same opinion. Christ I need a massive drink.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 18:56:02 GMT
I fear the players will feel just as deflated at this news as many of us are. It looks like a mid-season 'Kamara appointment' to me. I bet they'll be glad they've got someone coming in who is enthusiastic, determined, and will give 100% for us, unlike some Johnny foreigner might have done. Why wouldn’t they have been enthusiastic or given 100%? Any reason beyond xenophobic stereotypes?
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 13, 2018 18:56:16 GMT
Martin O’Neill. Boring with shit personality. Wastes money on transfers and wages. Plays shit football. 65 years old. Keane is a nut job. Won’t be able to attract anyone outside of England. Hasn’t been in club football for a decade. Wank, just utterly wank. Posts like this make me miss the smite button
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 18:56:37 GMT
It’s not so much him it’s the idea that “getting stuck into them on the training ground” is this massive cure for all our ills. This isn’t Westbury Park Rangers under-15s. I also can’t see much positive impact at club level he’s had in a managerial or assistant capacity, beyond getting Sunderland promoted with the biggest budget in the Championship. Fair enough, but if he helps getting our lot fitter and sharper I'm all for that, he won't be the manager and MON will have the ultimate say on tactics. Keane was a class player and maybe he can help improve the players as well. Being a class player really doesn’t mean anything either way.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 13, 2018 18:56:49 GMT
I bet they'll be glad they've got someone coming in who is enthusiastic, determined, and will give 100% for us, unlike some Johnny foreigner might have done. Why wouldn’t they have been enthusiastic or given 100%? Any reason beyond xenophobic stereotypes? Same reason as you think O'Neill just rants and raves I suppose.
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Post by march4 on Jan 13, 2018 18:57:01 GMT
I fear the players will feel just as deflated at this news as many of us are. It looks like a mid-season 'Kamara appointment' to me. Charlie didn’t seem that way mate,infact he sounded quite happy with the prospect in his interview the other day🤔 Fingers crossed, mate.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2018 18:57:26 GMT
Why wouldn’t they have been enthusiastic or given 100%? Any reason beyond xenophobic stereotypes? Same reason as you think O'Neill just rants and raves I suppose. I never said that.
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