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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2018 18:36:15 GMT
He was 100% sounded out on the possibility of him coming mate can you back that up with proof or is that just rumour ? Lets just say it wasn’t a rumour
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Post by baystokie on May 20, 2018 18:36:58 GMT
m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/22277509Rowett now in further from 4/6 to 4/9. Very odd as unlike the Bilic thing, this isn't a raging inferno that burnt itself out within hours. For no apparent reason at all, he's been the slowly shortening favourite for a couple of days. Dare I suggest there IS an 'apparent reason' for the odds shortening - the amount of money being laid out by punters, ITKs etc. Don't odds reflect the money laid out? If I laid £1m on Flores, I assume his odds would be adjusted? Of course, that does not mean it proves that the punters laying the money KNOW any more than you or I.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 20, 2018 18:39:31 GMT
They probably mean a lot more than your ITK predictions. Not on this occasion
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Post by FullerMagic on May 20, 2018 18:40:59 GMT
m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/22277509Rowett now in further from 4/6 to 4/9. Very odd as unlike the Bilic thing, this isn't a raging inferno that burnt itself out within hours. For no apparent reason at all, he's been the slowly shortening favourite for a couple of days. Dare I suggest there IS an 'apparent reason' for the odds shortening - the amount of money being laid out by punters, ITKs etc. Don't odds reflect the money laid out? If I laid £1m on Flores, I assume his odds would be adjusted? Of course, that does not mean it proves that the punters laying the money KNOW any more than you or I. Yeah - what I meant is there is absolutely no press reporting about him being in the frame that'd explain it and that's the usual trigger for big moves - in the way that McCarthy and Pearson shortened a lot in the wake of Rob Dorsett's Sky article. I still don't think there's anything in it, but it's definitely something to watch.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 20, 2018 18:42:18 GMT
People seem to get emotionally engaged in betting odds and I find it quite peculiarly. If I slap £100 on Ian Holloway now it'll shoot him up the betting list, does it therefore mean he'll become our next manager? Does it fuck.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 20, 2018 18:43:55 GMT
People seem to get emotionally engaged in betting odds and I find it quite peculiarly. If I slap £100 on Ian Holloway now it'll shoot him up the betting list, does it therefore mean he'll become our next manager? Does it fuck. But the vaguely notable thing would have been that £100 has gone on Olly.... And that in itself would have been noteworthy (and completely bonkers!)
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2018 18:45:21 GMT
People seem to get emotionally engaged in betting odds and I find it quite peculiarly. If I slap £100 on Ian Holloway now it'll shoot him up the betting list, does it therefore mean he'll become our next manager? Does it fuck. But the vaguely notable thing would have been that £100 has gone on Olly.... And that in itself would have been noteworthy (and completely bonkers!) With Charlie as his Number 2😄
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Post by nutterpotter on May 20, 2018 18:45:30 GMT
1/3 now... (SkyBet)
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Post by meladben on May 20, 2018 18:46:31 GMT
A little bit better than Lambert. Is that really what we want? A little bit better? Rowett is seen as one of the next rising stars in management yet Lambert was deemed to have been a disaster at both Blackburn and Wolves. Win ratios are murky at best if you stand in for 1 game and win it that gives 100% ratio but doesn’t make you Fergie 👍
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 20, 2018 18:50:35 GMT
People seem to get emotionally engaged in betting odds and I find it quite peculiarly. If I slap £100 on Ian Holloway now it'll shoot him up the betting list, does it therefore mean he'll become our next manager? Does it fuck. Yeah, you only have to look at our last 2 appointments to know that odds don't mean anything at all.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 20, 2018 18:53:28 GMT
People seem to get emotionally engaged in betting odds and I find it quite peculiarly. If I slap £100 on Ian Holloway now it'll shoot him up the betting list, does it therefore mean he'll become our next manager? Does it fuck. But the vaguely notable thing would have been that £100 has gone on Olly.... And that in itself would have been noteworthy (and completely bonkers!) True but the point is any nutter can change the odds can't they?! When I have my next drink I'm bound to put a cheeky £50 on Hoddle for no reason at all.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 20, 2018 19:13:24 GMT
can you back that up with proof or is that just rumour ? Lets just say it wasn’t a rumour Stoke never approached rowett. His agent approached stoke and caused a bit of a stir and got what he wanted. I'm not saying rowett isn't on our list right now, but I don't think he is at the top.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2018 19:15:25 GMT
Lets just say it wasn’t a rumour Stoke never approached rowett. His agent approached stoke and caused a bit of a stir and got what he wanted. I'm not saying rowett isn't on our list right now, but I don't think he is at the top. Whatever you say mate
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 20, 2018 19:31:41 GMT
Stoke never approached rowett. His agent approached stoke and caused a bit of a stir and got what he wanted. I'm not saying rowett isn't on our list right now, but I don't think he is at the top. Whatever you say mate There's no proof either way. All I can say is that in his interview on radio Derby when it was all kicking off in January he was asked about Stoke's interest and he sidestepped it completely. It very much sounded like he wasn't approached and used the situation to negotiate a new improved deal. He's worse than Lambert. At least Lambert has actually got a club promoted out of the championship.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2018 19:38:22 GMT
There's no proof either way. All I can say is that in his interview on radio Derby when it was all kicking off in January he was asked about Stoke's interest and he sidestepped it completely. It very much sounded like he wasn't approached and used the situation to negotiate a new improved deal. He's worse than Lambert. At least Lambert has actually got a club promoted out of the championship. Mate like I’ve said I know different but we’ll leave it at that.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2018 19:41:00 GMT
Derby Telegraph running this story now on what he said last time after signing his new contract
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 20, 2018 19:44:14 GMT
Derby Telegraph running this story now on what he said last time after signing his new contract Stoke never approached Rowett.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 20, 2018 19:46:07 GMT
Derby Telegraph running this story now on what he said last time after signing his new contract Stoke never approached Rowett. You can't tell them mate.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2018 19:50:07 GMT
Derby Telegraph running this story now on what he said last time after signing his new contract Stoke never approached Rowett. Take it from me he was as I put earlier”sounded out”.If you don’t believe me Fair enough and I don’t particularly care tbh
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 20, 2018 19:53:43 GMT
But the vaguely notable thing would have been that £100 has gone on Olly.... And that in itself would have been noteworthy (and completely bonkers!) True but the point is any nutter can change the odds can't they?! When I have my next drink I'm bound to put a cheeky £50 on Hoddle for no reason at all. Hoddle you say and you know TS?
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 20, 2018 20:05:06 GMT
Stoke never approached Rowett. Take it from me he was as I put earlier”sounded out”.If you don’t believe me Fair enough and I don’t particularly care tbh I don't believe you and I don't care either :-)
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 20:08:16 GMT
Jesus Christ, was he approached or not?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2018 20:08:51 GMT
Take it from me he was as I put earlier”sounded out”.If you don’t believe me Fair enough and I don’t particularly care tbh I don't believe you and I don't care either :-) Coming from you Hackett that’s funny👍
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 20, 2018 20:26:56 GMT
True but the point is any nutter can change the odds can't they?! When I have my next drink I'm bound to put a cheeky £50 on Hoddle for no reason at all. Hoddle you say and you know TS? I know Hoddle via Scholes, he's an utter twat but they get on like a house on fire.
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Post by Widget123 on May 20, 2018 21:14:20 GMT
The last time he ended up top of the odds was simply his agent throwing a shit tonne of wood onto a fire that was barely there to get his man a massive pay rise and himself a huge bonus. That was pretty funny, but I'll laugh my ball sack off if he manages the same trick a second time within five months: that would be hilarious.
There's no chance we're going for him, he's in a huge new contract.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 21:48:55 GMT
People seem to get emotionally engaged in betting odds and I find it quite peculiarly. If I slap £100 on Ian Holloway now it'll shoot him up the betting list, does it therefore mean he'll become our next manager? Does it fuck. It does mean you're a candidate for a straight jacket though^
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Post by andystokey on May 20, 2018 22:05:14 GMT
This is all based on Derby reducing what they spend, perhaps even wanting a chunk of compo off a recently relegated club.
He's not worth it and the money would be better spent elsewhere.
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Post by thegift on May 20, 2018 23:05:00 GMT
So are we saying currently odds mean fuck all?
Examples 1: I chuck £500,000 on phil brown. Phil brown then comes into the top 3 for the next stoke manager, right? Because ive chucked all that money onto him
Example 2: Roger Federer plays a 17 year old lad with no rank (wild card) in wimbeldon's first round. I stick £500,000 on said 17 year old. Does that mean he becomes more likely to beat federer? Under betting odds?
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Post by Widget123 on May 20, 2018 23:39:53 GMT
So are we saying currently odds mean fuck all? Examples 1: I chuck £500,000 on phil brown. Phil brown then comes into the top 3 for the next stoke manager, right? Because ive chucked all that money onto him Example 2: Roger Federer plays a 17 year old lad with no rank (wild card) in wimbeldon's first round. I stick £500,000 on said 17 year old. Does that mean he becomes more likely to beat federer? Under betting odds? It's more the issue of how do you even start to price the market? There's no real insider information available it's mostly just talk. So example 1 is pure speculation based on flimsy evidence si the bookie simply runs an "over-round" market making sure that as they take bets they compensate the odds to ensure a position of profit what ever happens. It's that easy, hence you can "manipulate" the market by lumping on a long odds option as the software simply redelegates odds to "less backed" options to make them more attractive. The bookie doesn't care who gets the job, only about the over round position. Equally in example 2 you'd be betting against a very large opposition market there's very little chance you'd move the market position with 500k, even if you could get that much on. The "value" bet in tennis would be backing the 17 year old from a losing position and hoping Federer pulled out through injury and forfeited the match.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 21, 2018 1:13:08 GMT
Jesus Christ, was he approached or not? No, he was sounded out, clear as mud mate.
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