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Post by RAF on Jan 4, 2018 17:29:41 GMT
It's fairly clear he doesn't want to be British. H You can not want to be something without hating it. Not in this case for me. Thought about changing your username to McCleans Avenger? ;) H
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2018 17:36:49 GMT
You can not want to be something without hating it. Not in this case for me. Thought about changing your username to McCleans Avenger? H I always wondered why you ever changed yours back from 'RAF Was Wrong' to be honest.
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Post by RAF on Jan 4, 2018 17:38:40 GMT
Not in this case for me. Thought about changing your username to McCleans Avenger? ;) H I always wondered why you ever changed yours back from 'RAF Was Wrong' to be honest. ;) You'll never know how hard that was to put on in the first place, fucking Pulis and his bastard fancy Dan promotions! H
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Post by rawli on Jan 4, 2018 18:15:42 GMT
I agree. But walking in and doing that isn't voluntary in our house. Respect is not something that has to be formalised or laid out in black and white. He knows full well he is being disrespectful and it’s shameful that he has the fucking bollocks to do so considering this country effectively made him a millionaire, is his home, etc etc etc. He made himself a millionaire. He works for a Chinese company who pay him millions to work for them. You talk like the tax payers of this country picked him up from the streets and how he's throwing it back in our faces.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 4, 2018 18:18:21 GMT
Respect is not something that has to be formalised or laid out in black and white. He knows full well he is being disrespectful and it’s shameful that he has the fucking bollocks to do so considering this country effectively made him a millionaire, is his home, etc etc etc. He made himself a millionaire. He works for a Chinese company who pay him millions to work for them. You talk like the tax payers of this country picked him up from the streets and how he's throwing it back in our faces. I can’t be arsed anymore. He’s in our country. Respect our values or fuck off. Easy as that.
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Post by rawli on Jan 4, 2018 18:20:30 GMT
He made himself a millionaire. He works for a Chinese company who pay him millions to work for them. You talk like the tax payers of this country picked him up from the streets and how he's throwing it back in our faces. I can’t be arsed anymore. He’s in our country. Respect our values or fuck off. Easy as that. Agree - it's got boring.
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Post by waffles on Jan 4, 2018 18:21:18 GMT
He made himself a millionaire. He works for a Chinese company who pay him millions to work for them. You talk like the tax payers of this country picked him up from the streets and how he's throwing it back in our faces. I can’t be arsed anymore. He’s in our country. Respect our values or fuck off. Easy as that. Nail.....head
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Post by thevoid on Jan 4, 2018 18:29:18 GMT
Never got the hatrid for him. This poppy stuff is a load of bollocks tbh I'd expect nothing else from a Corbynite like yourself.
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Post by Mendicant on Jan 4, 2018 19:25:10 GMT
So the same people who were calling people snowflakes for taking offence Antoine Griezmann's ill advised decision to black up are now triggered because McClean won't don a flower which directly contradicts sentiments he was surrounded by in his upbringing and wouldn't face a flag in a meaningless pre-season friendly in the USA. The mind boggles. There are two fundamental differences between the two cases. Griezmann was joking and got a reaction from people who suddenly took "blackfacing" from the 19th century in southern US states as a cultural phenomenon of which we're all supposed to be familiar. Whereas in fact it was unknown to most until it was pointed out on Twitter and snowflakes had a circle jerk over it. McClean on the other hand was not joking - he was making a political protest as an Irish Republican, and a provocative one at that. His understanding of the Poppy Appeal and remembrance, and their significance, must be more profound than Griezmann's understanding of an obscure cultural ritual from 19th century Alabama. McClean surely knew he'd upset people, including veterans - Griezmann was presumably unaware and had no intention of provoking people. Intentions say a lot about personal character.
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Post by 4evastoke on Jan 4, 2018 19:28:34 GMT
I bet they'll sell his stuff for a bomb 😀
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 4, 2018 19:40:58 GMT
Never got the hatrid for him. This poppy stuff is a load of bollocks tbh I'd expect nothing else from a Corbynite like yourself. you'd have thought he had spat on a poppy and shouted 'up the ra' the way some go on.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 4, 2018 19:45:00 GMT
is turning his back on the english flag "entirely understandable" ? Wouldn't do it myself but for someone from Derry yes. By the way its not Derry it's Londonderry
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Post by Veritas on Jan 4, 2018 20:06:34 GMT
He chooses not to take part in a voluntary show of rememberance for the war dead of the UK whose armed forces murdered 13 civilians in his home town. I don't support his stance but it is understandable and certainly does not make him an absolute dick You're in support of the IRA then? No I am not an IRS supporter, what exactly makes you ask?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 20:31:32 GMT
During the WW1 when Ireland was one country Irishmen losy their lives,during the WW2 Some Southern Irish also lost their lives.
To the above post, it is Derry, it was called Derry(Doire) long before the Protestants renamed it.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 4, 2018 20:34:30 GMT
I respect everyone's opinion as ever but I just can't get my head around where McClean s logic comes from, he says he won't wear a poppy because of bloody Sunday in his home town of Derry NORTHERN IRELAND, but then he tells BBC man Colin Murray NOT to call him NORTHERN IRISH, he's either proud of where he comes from and shows support or he's not, if he can't make his mind up how are we expected to understand where he's coming from ! I work with a guy from Derry. He considers himself to be Irish and does not accept being called Northern Irish. He's a good bloke so we ignore his request and call him British instead. Although he was born in Derry and is British he only has one passport and that is an Irish one. He does not want a UK one. He should be deported then
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 4, 2018 20:34:33 GMT
He made himself a millionaire. He works for a Chinese company who pay him millions to work for them. You talk like the tax payers of this country picked him up from the streets and how he's throwing it back in our faces. I can’t be arsed anymore. He’s in our country. Respect our values or fuck off. Easy as that. What have poppies and the national anthem got to do with 'our values'? More people choose not to wear a poppy than wear one and there are plenty of perfectly reasonable patriotic people who find the royal family a total anachronism and the anthem itself an irrelevant dirge.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jan 4, 2018 20:36:08 GMT
I respect everyone's opinion as ever but I just can't get my head around where McClean s logic comes from, he says he won't wear a poppy because of bloody Sunday in his home town of Derry NORTHERN IRELAND, but then he tells BBC man Colin Murray NOT to call him NORTHERN IRISH, he's either proud of where he comes from and shows support or he's not, if he can't make his mind up how are we expected to understand where he's coming from ! He is clearly proud of where he comes from, which is a strongly Republican / Catholic area of Derry / Londonderry. It is geographically part of Northern Island, but as a Republican he doesn't want that, he wants it to be part of united island of Ireland. I'm not saying I agree with him, but in respect of what you refer to in your post above, his stance is entirely logical.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 4, 2018 20:37:23 GMT
So the same people who were calling people snowflakes for taking offence Antoine Griezmann's ill advised decision to black up are now triggered because McClean won't don a flower which directly contradicts sentiments he was surrounded by in his upbringing and wouldn't face a flag in a meaningless pre-season friendly in the USA. The mind boggles. There are two fundamental differences between the two cases. Griezmann was joking and got a reaction from people who suddenly took "blackfacing" from the 19th century in southern US states as a cultural phenomenon of which we're all supposed to be familiar. Whereas in fact it was unknown to most until it was pointed out on Twitter and snowflakes had a circle jerk over it. McClean on the other hand was not joking - he was making a political protest as an Irish Republican, and a provocative one at that. His understanding of the Poppy Appeal and remembrance, and their significance, must be more profound than Griezmann's understanding of an obscure cultural ritual from 19th century Alabama. McClean surely knew he'd upset people, including veterans - Griezmann was presumably unaware and had no intention of provoking people. Intentions say a lot about personal character. He just loves provoking us the English / British people, another example is his very public and extensive tribute to that murdering IRA bastard mcguinness
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 4, 2018 20:42:51 GMT
I can’t be arsed anymore. He’s in our country. Respect our values or fuck off. Easy as that. What have poppies and the national anthem got to do with 'our values'? More people choose not to wear a poppy than wear one and there are plenty of perfectly reasonable patriotic people who find the royal family a total anachronism and the anthem itself an irrelevant dirge. I’m done on this one, mate. People are playing devils advocate for the sake of it. Even right down to my word selection. It’s getting petty.
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Post by thegift on Jan 5, 2018 0:42:59 GMT
You're in support of the IRA then? No I am not an IRS supporter, what exactly makes you ask? You seem to enjoy rimming the dirty disrespectful's ass so thought you'd share the same mindset
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