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Post by Block 22 on Jan 4, 2018 11:30:54 GMT
He turned his back for the national anthem and is openly a cunt about hating the English. He’s scum. End of story. Thank you for your eloquent and considered contribution, have you considered a career in the diplomatic service? Read the article I’ve posted, I pretty much mirror those sentiments. To make a post and jokingly patronise those who don’t like him didn’t deserve an eloquent and considered reply but thanks anyway, for your observation and suggestion.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 4, 2018 11:57:46 GMT
He chooses not to take part in a voluntary show of rememberance for the war dead of the UK whose armed forces murdered 13 civilians in his home town. I don't support his stance but it is understandable and certainly does not make him an absolute dick He hates our country yet still gets paid here I hate my employers but they still pay me too.
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Post by thegift on Jan 4, 2018 12:04:11 GMT
Hate the guy, no sympathy he's an absolute dick! He chooses not to take part in a voluntary show of rememberance for the war dead of the UK whose armed forces murdered 13 civilians in his home town. I don't support his stance but it is understandable and certainly does not make him an absolute dick You're in support of the IRA then?
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Post by RAF on Jan 4, 2018 12:18:48 GMT
Poppy or no poppy the bloke is a cunt. The fact that twats like this have 26 grand watches to lose is a fucking disgrace. I wouldn't mind but he's shite. The prick needs to make up his mind where he comes from.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 12:24:14 GMT
I respect everyone's opinion as ever but I just can't get my head around where McClean s logic comes from, he says he won't wear a poppy because of bloody Sunday in his home town of Derry NORTHERN IRELAND, but then he tells BBC man Colin Murray NOT to call him NORTHERN IRISH, he's either proud of where he comes from and shows support or he's not, if he can't make his mind up how are we expected to understand where he's coming from ! Probably because one is due to the killings of people in his own town REGARDLESS of the actual country that it happens to be in, and the other is related to partitioning of Ireland and his views towards unification. I'm sure he probably doesn't need or require you to 'understand' him - just to respect his right to silent protest in a manner which is not actually causing any harm to anybody - just a bunch of people who take offence. Take that Telegraph article linked a bit higher up on this thread, and the person wrote "The British and English flag means different things to different people. To me they represent the NHS, a country that welcomes people of all religions, colours, faiths and creeds. It is a country that believes in democracy and freedom. It represents my country, despite all its faults, ills and blemishes." Yet he thinks that anybody who doesnt salute the flag or wear a fucking poppy hates the country and shouldnt be here. Absolutely mental. Complete and utter horsecock. If that's what he believes then he should be writing in support of McClean being able to stand in protest for what he believes in.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jan 4, 2018 12:24:29 GMT
That choice plus his open Republican sympathies must really please those amongst the baggies support affected by the Bombings I wonder how wearing a poppy and barking out the national anthem would have made those affected by the murderous activities on Bloody Sunday feel? Name me a society that hasn't been involved in atrocities of one form or another down the years. Tell you what lets all just take McClean's attitude, perpetuate the resentment, breed the hatred, see where that ends up.......................................
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 4, 2018 12:30:32 GMT
I understand his principles albeit I don't agree with him. However if he feels that strongly than go and play in the Republic of Ireland for some no mark team, or even one of the other top leagues
He has to remember he is in England and we remember our war dead just as they do worldwide
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2018 12:31:29 GMT
How is McClean 'perpetuating the hatred'? He's said he isn't anti-British, he chooses not to wear the poppy because of what it's come to symbolise in the place he's from.
You know, the kind of freedom of choice that the people we wear poppies to remember died for...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2018 12:31:59 GMT
I understand his principles albeit I don't agree with him. However if he feels that strongly than go and play in the Republic of Ireland for some no mark team, or even one of the other top leagues He has to remember he is in England and we remember our war dead just as they do worldwide He's not stopping anyone from remembering their war dead.
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Post by RAF on Jan 4, 2018 12:36:07 GMT
How is McClean 'perpetuating the hatred'? He's said he isn't anti-British, he chooses not to wear the poppy because of what it's come to symbolise in the place he's from. You know, the kind of freedom of choice that the people we wear poppies to remember died for... The same freedom that lets Muslim Terrorists and Hate Preachers march through our streets disrespecting our laws and spouting hatred, whilst protected by our own police force! Not sure my Grandad gave his life for that or for those right wing skinhead twats doing the same. Each to their own though hey? H
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 4, 2018 12:39:30 GMT
How is McClean 'perpetuating the hatred'? He's said he isn't anti-British, he chooses not to wear the poppy because of what it's come to symbolise in the place he's from. You know, the kind of freedom of choice that the people we wear poppies to remember died for... The same freedom that lets Muslim Terrorists and Hate Preachers march through our streets disrespecting our laws and spouting hatred, whilst protected by our own police force! Not sure my Grandad gave his life for that or for those right wing skinhead twats doing the same. Each to their own though hey? H Post of the year, so far. Granted, we’re only 4 days in. Couldn’t agree more.
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Post by rawli on Jan 4, 2018 12:52:34 GMT
I understand his principles albeit I don't agree with him. However if he feels that strongly than go and play in the Republic of Ireland for some no mark team, or even one of the other top leagues He has to remember he is in England and we remember our war dead just as they do worldwide Freedom of speech or freedom of expression doesn't work that way though does it? I don't agree with him but I actually think it's right that if a person doesn't want to tow the party line then they don't have to.
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Post by forwhatitsworth on Jan 4, 2018 12:53:45 GMT
The same freedom that lets Muslim Terrorists and Hate Preachers march through our streets disrespecting our laws and spouting hatred, whilst protected by our own police force! Not sure my Grandad gave his life for that or for those right wing skinhead twats doing the same. Each to their own though hey? H Post of the year, so far. Granted, we’re only 4 days in. Couldn’t agree more. Spot on pal, spot on! McClean is scum. The poppy represents the death of all soldiers. He should wear it and respect the country which has made him a millionaire!
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 4, 2018 12:56:13 GMT
I understand his principles albeit I don't agree with him. However if he feels that strongly than go and play in the Republic of Ireland for some no mark team, or even one of the other top leagues He has to remember he is in England and we remember our war dead just as they do worldwide Freedom of speech or freedom of expression doesn't work that way though does it? I don't agree with him but I actually think it's right that if a person doesn't want to tow the party line then they don't have to. As RAF said, so are you saying that anyone who comes here from a different country can openly disrespect our values as a country?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2018 13:01:09 GMT
How is McClean 'perpetuating the hatred'? He's said he isn't anti-British, he chooses not to wear the poppy because of what it's come to symbolise in the place he's from. You know, the kind of freedom of choice that the people we wear poppies to remember died for... The same freedom that lets Muslim Terrorists and Hate Preachers march through our streets disrespecting our laws and spouting hatred, whilst protected by our own police force! Not sure my Grandad gave his life for that or for those right wing skinhead twats doing the same. Each to their own though hey? H Are you seriously equating McClean's stance with that?
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Jan 4, 2018 13:05:44 GMT
Hate the guy, no sympathy he's an absolute dick! He chooses not to take part in a voluntary show of rememberance for the war dead of the UK whose armed forces murdered 13 civilians in his home town. I don't support his stance but it is understandable and certainly does not make him an absolute dick He' still a dickhead regardless imo
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Post by rawli on Jan 4, 2018 13:07:53 GMT
Freedom of speech or freedom of expression doesn't work that way though does it? I don't agree with him but I actually think it's right that if a person doesn't want to tow the party line then they don't have to. As RAF said, so are you saying that anyone who comes here from a different country can openly disrespect our values as a country? In the same way that if I went to a country, didn't like certain aspects of it I wouldn't want to have to just keep quiet about it. If I went to the wrong country I'd be killed for my views. That doesn't really reflect on me, it reflects on the country I'd gone to.
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Post by thegift on Jan 4, 2018 13:10:52 GMT
How is McClean 'perpetuating the hatred'? He's said he isn't anti-British, he chooses not to wear the poppy because of what it's come to symbolise in the place he's from. You know, the kind of freedom of choice that the people we wear poppies to remember died for... Jesus wept.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 13:13:28 GMT
I respect everyone's opinion as ever but I just can't get my head around where McClean s logic comes from, he says he won't wear a poppy because of bloody Sunday in his home town of Derry NORTHERN IRELAND, but then he tells BBC man Colin Murray NOT to call him NORTHERN IRISH, he's either proud of where he comes from and shows support or he's not, if he can't make his mind up how are we expected to understand where he's coming from ! OR...Maybe he is just an ill informed English hating Pikey.... Personally I could not give a flying fuck he got robbed...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2018 13:15:10 GMT
How is McClean 'perpetuating the hatred'? He's said he isn't anti-British, he chooses not to wear the poppy because of what it's come to symbolise in the place he's from. You know, the kind of freedom of choice that the people we wear poppies to remember died for... Jesus wept. Think this debate might be a little nuanced for you pasa.
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Post by thegift on Jan 4, 2018 13:16:20 GMT
Think this debate might be a little nuanced for you pasa. Certainly not, i just don't want to embarrass you.
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Post by haway on Jan 4, 2018 13:18:48 GMT
He's an absolute arsehole, still feel sorry for him and his family that he was robbed though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 13:20:56 GMT
is turning his back on the english flag "entirely understandable" ? Wouldn't do it myself but for someone from Derry yes. So Veritas, how would you feel if any of our non English players did it, lets look at our Nationalities, and how far back shall we go... Scottish players....100's of years of hate there. Egyptian...Suez Crisis. France...Lots of bad blood there. Napoleonic wars etc etc. Spain...We sank their Arnmada...Groovey. Germany...Enough said. USA...Boston Tea Party, War of Independence. And so the list goes on. Or are you being your normal argumentative self just for the sake of it...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2018 13:24:58 GMT
Think this debate might be a little nuanced for you pasa. Certainly not, i just don't want to embarrass you. How considerate. I'm sure your knowledge of The Troubles is as fact-driven and considered as your football analysis.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 4, 2018 13:36:24 GMT
As RAF said, so are you saying that anyone who comes here from a different country can openly disrespect our values as a country? In the same way that if I went to a country, didn't like certain aspects of it I wouldn't want to have to just keep quiet about it. If I went to the wrong country I'd be killed for my views. That doesn't really reflect on me, it reflects on the country I'd gone to. So how it works is that if you don’t like certain aspects of the country. You either A) Don’t go there. Or B) Make the most of the positives and deal with what you don’t like.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 4, 2018 13:40:44 GMT
Never got the hatrid for him.
This poppy stuff is a load of bollocks tbh
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 4, 2018 13:45:26 GMT
So the same people who were calling people snowflakes for taking offence Antoine Griezmann's ill advised decision to black up are now triggered because McClean won't don a flower which directly contradicts sentiments he was surrounded by in his upbringing and wouldn't face a flag in a meaningless pre-season friendly in the USA.
The mind boggles.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 4, 2018 14:01:21 GMT
I understand his principles albeit I don't agree with him. However if he feels that strongly than go and play in the Republic of Ireland for some no mark team, or even one of the other top leagues He has to remember he is in England and we remember our war dead just as they do worldwide Freedom of speech or freedom of expression doesn't work that way though does it? I don't agree with him but I actually think it's right that if a person doesn't want to tow the party line then they don't have to. I agree with you but the point I'm making is that if he is so anti English then whys he playing for an English club. I guess I just find him a bit of a hypocrite
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2018 14:13:57 GMT
Freedom of speech or freedom of expression doesn't work that way though does it? I don't agree with him but I actually think it's right that if a person doesn't want to tow the party line then they don't have to. I agree with you but the point I'm making is that if he is so anti English then whys he playing for an English club. I guess I just find him a bit of a hypocrite He says he isn't anti-English or anti-British.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 4, 2018 14:17:12 GMT
I agree with you but the point I'm making is that if he is so anti English then whys he playing for an English club. I guess I just find him a bit of a hypocrite He says he isn't anti-English or anti-British. fair do's I guess my my view on him is tainted as I think he's a complete twat and I'm a very patriotic Englishman
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