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Post by wuzza on Jan 3, 2018 19:33:16 GMT
I’ve not heard Pej say Hughes should be sacked - all he has done is point out the deficiencies in our performances. Denis has done that to an extent aswell - he was very critical of our defending in the first half on Saturday. Both have huge amounts of experience and knowledge and are equally worthy of respect - whether or not their views coincide with our own. (remember not long ago any former player who pointed out what a dodgy road we were going down was lambasted on this forum for not supporting the, then, hugely popular Mr Hughes!)
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Post by felonious on Jan 3, 2018 19:37:50 GMT
Can I just say that as a pedant I'm itching to intervene. It's Denis. It's actually Denis the legend. Whatever comes out of his mouth I think "Nice one Denis".
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Post by marcofstoke on Jan 3, 2018 20:09:53 GMT
Four of you can't even spell a legends name correctly🙈 D E N I S
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 20:12:50 GMT
He’s perfectly entitled to the opinion that Hughes should be given a 5 year extension if he so wishes......
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 3, 2018 20:23:35 GMT
they have their opinions as we do , my worry is what evidence is there that Hughes can turn this round ?
If we had really gone for Newcastle on Monday and lost then maybe there would be hope but it was another pretty shite effort with our one real class player wandering round the pitch like a sulky child
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 3, 2018 20:28:54 GMT
Hero and top player but for Christ sake man you can surely see he’s got to go😡.We all know you’re another that won’t rock the boat but FFS take a leaf out of Pejic’s book “Nows not the time to make knee jerk decisions” Shakes head in disbelief If you are to criticise a man who has been in football all his life, is SCFC till he dies, broke most of his bones for his team and suffers now from this....at least get his name right !! It is Denis not Dennis!! Ex players like Denis who are still in the game in more ways than you know, have an insight to know what goes on behind the scenes and will still be watching Stoke after premiership butterflies stop attending! He is entitled to his opinion and I trust his far more than the keyboard jockeys on this site! I shake my head back at you!😤 Fair point about spelling his name correct😇 Keyboard jockey that’s been watching Stoke since 71 through thick and thin by the way🙄 No problem with him giving his opinion but come on to say it’s knee jerk is just wrong for me and thousands of other Stokies I suspect. As for having an insight to what’s going on I very much doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:51:40 GMT
I love Denis, but I think he is towing the party line with this one. The shambles has gone on for far too long.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 3, 2018 21:53:29 GMT
Local media are afraid to say anything bad about the club, and that includes ex players
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 3, 2018 21:56:48 GMT
The difference between us and Denis is that we pay to watch Stoke.
None of the local media do.
There's a big difference between sitting in a press box being paid and paying to watch a load of dross.
Denis doesn't want to upset his employer.
We do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 22:02:05 GMT
The difference between us and Dennis is that we pay to watch Stoke. None of the local media do. There's a big difference between sitting in a press box being paid and paying to watch a load of dross. Dennis doesn't want to upset his employer. We do. Denis
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 3, 2018 22:07:10 GMT
Being an ex one himself, Denis is in extreme Manager protectionist mode. Obviously he’s entitled to his opinion, but in this case he's just plain wrong. Having viewed EVERY Stoke game this season (and many other seasons previously) I’ve watched the startling deterioration since the Stokelona days and I can say with the utmost certainty that Mark Leslie Hughes will relegate us without a doubt. The sad part is that even if he is replaced before the next league game we’ll probably be relegated anyway. I fear the safety ship has already sailed.
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Post by wingy11 on Jan 3, 2018 22:07:11 GMT
I like the rest thought Hughes should be sacked but with the lack of british managers out there what is the board to do,, i believe coates now will back hughes and hopefully get 3/4 players in with fight and pace to help the side out. And address the manager situation in the summer we need a minimum of 3 in and hopefully get shawcross and indi fit.. even request bojan back... if thats the decision of the board we have to back it and turn the next 16 games into cup finals speically the home games and get behind the players.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 3, 2018 23:41:58 GMT
Hero and top player but for Christ sake man you can surely see he’s got to go😡.We all know you’re another that won’t rock the boat but FFS take a leaf out of Pejic’s book “Nows not the time to make knee jerk decisions” Shakes head in disbelief If you are to criticise a man who has been in football all his life, is SCFC till he dies, broke most of his bones for his team and suffers now from this....at least get his name right !! It is Denis not Dennis!! Ex players like Denis who are still in the game in more ways than you know, have an insight to know what goes on behind the scenes and will still be watching Stoke after premiership butterflies stop attending! He is entitled to his opinion and I trust his far more than the keyboard jockeys on this site! I shake my head back at you!😤 I think you are basically right. I sit occasionally with Denis on FA disciplinary panels and see him at training days and you couldn’t meet a more passionate supporter of his home town club. Apart from his career as one of our best ever defenders, he also had a very successful managerial career. This can be checked but I think he may have been the first manager to get 100 points and the only one to achieve that feat with 2 different clubs. He is also a PL match delegate. OK his opinion on this might differ from many supporters but The suggestions that he doesn’t want to rock the boat or that he is afraid to not tow the party line are way wide of the mark. He is no more afraid of expressing his view than he was afraid of making a tackle as a player. And he has forgotten more about professional football than most of us have ever known. Whether you agree with him on this or not, to just dismiss or ridicule his opinion as b******s says far more about the poster than it does about Denis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 23:44:52 GMT
If you are to criticise a man who has been in football all his life, is SCFC till he dies, broke most of his bones for his team and suffers now from this....at least get his name right !! It is Denis not Dennis!! Ex players like Denis who are still in the game in more ways than you know, have an insight to know what goes on behind the scenes and will still be watching Stoke after premiership butterflies stop attending! He is entitled to his opinion and I trust his far more than the keyboard jockeys on this site! I shake my head back at you!😤 I think you are basically right. I sit occasionally with Denis on FA disciplinary panels and see him at training days and you couldn’t meet a more passionate supporter of his home town club. Apart from his career as one of our best ever defenders, he also had a very successful managerial career. This can be checked but I think he may have been the first manager to get 100 points and the only one to achieve that feat with 2 different clubs. He is also a PL match delegate. OK his opinion on this might differ from many supporters but The suggestions that he doesn’t want to rock the boat or that he is afraid to not tow the party line are way wide of the mark. He is no more afraid of expressing his view than he was afraid of making a tackle as a player. And he has forgotten more about professional football than most of us have ever known. Whether you agree with him on this or not, to just dismiss or ridicule his opinion as b******s says far more about the poster than it does about Denis. Absolutely correct Malcolm. Very well said.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 23:44:58 GMT
If you are to criticise a man who has been in football all his life, is SCFC till he dies, broke most of his bones for his team and suffers now from this....at least get his name right !! It is Denis not Dennis!! Ex players like Denis who are still in the game in more ways than you know, have an insight to know what goes on behind the scenes and will still be watching Stoke after premiership butterflies stop attending! He is entitled to his opinion and I trust his far more than the keyboard jockeys on this site! I shake my head back at you!😤 I think you are basically right. I sit occasionally with Denis on FA disciplinary panels and see him at training days and you couldn’t meet a more passionate supporter of his home town club. Apart from his career as one of our best ever defenders, he also had a very successful managerial career. This can be checked but I think he may have been the first manager to get 100 points and the only one to achieve that feat with 2 different clubs. He is also a PL match delegate. OK his opinion on this might differ from many supporters but The suggestions that he doesn’t want to rock the boat or that he is afraid to not tow the party line are way wide of the mark. He is no more afraid of expressing his view than he was afraid of making a tackle as a player. And he has forgotten more about professional football than most of us have ever known. Whether you agree with him on this or not, to just dismiss or ridicule his opinion as b******s says far more about the poster than it does about Denis. Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 23:48:47 GMT
I think you are basically right. I sit occasionally with Denis on FA disciplinary panels and see him at training days and you couldn’t meet a more passionate supporter of his home town club. Apart from his career as one of our best ever defenders, he also had a very successful managerial career. This can be checked but I think he may have been the first manager to get 100 points and the only one to achieve that feat with 2 different clubs. He is also a PL match delegate. OK his opinion on this might differ from many supporters but The suggestions that he doesn’t want to rock the boat or that he is afraid to not tow the party line are way wide of the mark. He is no more afraid of expressing his view than he was afraid of making a tackle as a player. And he has forgotten more about professional football than most of us have ever known. Whether you agree with him on this or not, to just dismiss or ridicule his opinion as b******s says far more about the poster than it does about Denis. Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo. Do you work for the club? Your opinions have never held any value whatsoever.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 23:49:50 GMT
Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo. Do you work for the club? Your opinions have never held any value whatsoever. 😂😂 That makes no sense. And thankfully I don't.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 3, 2018 23:51:15 GMT
I'm in the minority, but I think that Denis Smith is pretty much the best thing about Radio Stoke's commemtary. His biggest fault is that he's as much a supporter of the club as you and I, and veers more towards the 'happy clapper' side than the 'end is nigh side. If you can read through that, his assessment of the game and the two managers is usually very good.
I know that his relentless positivity isn't always to everybody's taste, though.
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 4, 2018 0:01:49 GMT
I try and avoid listening to Radio Stoke. I sometimes have no alternative though if it's on in the coach on the way back from H games.
The station generally is no more than a nodding dog and fails week after week to ask ANY meaningful questions about our dire situation.
As for Denis. Great player and I'm sure he's a lovely bloke. But when I hear him after the match following another hopeless surrender talk about not making knee jerk reactions I want to smash the effing radio. An idiot can see it's time for a change and I'm sure Denis can. For some reason he's afraid to say it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 0:08:18 GMT
I think you are basically right. I sit occasionally with Denis on FA disciplinary panels and see him at training days and you couldn’t meet a more passionate supporter of his home town club. Apart from his career as one of our best ever defenders, he also had a very successful managerial career. This can be checked but I think he may have been the first manager to get 100 points and the only one to achieve that feat with 2 different clubs. He is also a PL match delegate. OK his opinion on this might differ from many supporters but The suggestions that he doesn’t want to rock the boat or that he is afraid to not tow the party line are way wide of the mark. He is no more afraid of expressing his view than he was afraid of making a tackle as a player. And he has forgotten more about professional football than most of us have ever known. Whether you agree with him on this or not, to just dismiss or ridicule his opinion as b******s says far more about the poster than it does about Denis. Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo. Well that just about sums you up doesn't it? I will say no more!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 0:09:39 GMT
Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo. Well that just about sums you up doesn't it? I will say no more! Eh? You replied to this 15 minutes ago. 😂😂 Or this a different username and you messed it up? 🤔
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 4, 2018 0:42:41 GMT
The worrying thing is, that if we don't do this so called "Knee jerk" reaction now and let's say we do actually lose to Coventry on Sat'day (which is NOT an impossibility), then we get absolutely trounced against United, that's at least a third of the transfer window gone....
Then we've either GOT to stick with Hughes whether we like it or not.... OR We bring in a new manager with little or no time to bring in new players....
Which is probably how the board actually want to play it!!!
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Post by kustokie on Jan 4, 2018 3:37:36 GMT
The worrying thing is, that if we don't do this so called "Knee jerk" reaction now and let's say we do actually lose to Coventry on Sat'day (which is NOT an impossibility), then we get absolutely trounced against United, that's at least a third of the transfer window gone.... Then we've either GOT to stick with Hughes whether we like it or not.... OR We bring in a new manager with little or no time to bring in new players.... Which is probably how the board actually want to play it!!! I am afraid there is so much chaos at the club that the chances of bringing in either new players or a new manager in January are between slim and none, and Slim is out of town.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jan 4, 2018 4:20:49 GMT
Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo. Well that just about sums you up doesn't it? I will say no more! I totally agree, a moron.
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Post by cooper67 on Jan 4, 2018 4:27:09 GMT
I think you are basically right. I sit occasionally with Denis on FA disciplinary panels and see him at training days and you couldn’t meet a more passionate supporter of his home town club. Apart from his career as one of our best ever defenders, he also had a very successful managerial career. This can be checked but I think he may have been the first manager to get 100 points and the only one to achieve that feat with 2 different clubs. He is also a PL match delegate. OK his opinion on this might differ from many supporters but The suggestions that he doesn’t want to rock the boat or that he is afraid to not tow the party line are way wide of the mark. He is no more afraid of expressing his view than he was afraid of making a tackle as a player. And he has forgotten more about professional football than most of us have ever known. Whether you agree with him on this or not, to just dismiss or ridicule his opinion as b******s says far more about the poster than it does about Denis. Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo. Bayernoatcake-in my opinion is always right shocker!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2018 6:38:46 GMT
The point Bayern is making is that he can’t be objective and work for the club. Seems a reasonable one to me.
Just like the dying embers of the Pulis era, Smithy will never criticise the manager and never accept a change might be necessary, under any circumstances. On Monday he explained away every single criticism directed at Hughes, even coming out with chestnuts like “you can’t expect to buy a decent centre half for 18m these days”.
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Post by beerspiller on Jan 4, 2018 7:50:43 GMT
If you are to criticise a man who has been in football all his life, is SCFC till he dies, broke most of his bones for his team and suffers now from this....at least get his name right !! It is Denis not Dennis!! Ex players like Denis who are still in the game in more ways than you know, have an insight to know what goes on behind the scenes and will still be watching Stoke after premiership butterflies stop attending! He is entitled to his opinion and I trust his far more than the keyboard jockeys on this site! I shake my head back at you!😤 Fair point about spelling his name correct😇 Keyboard jockey that’s been watching Stoke since 71 through thick and thin by the way🙄 No problem with him giving his opinion but come on to say it’s knee jerk is just wrong for me and thousands of other Stokies I suspect. As for having an insight to what’s going on I very much doubt it. I assure you he knows far more than yourself and as far as I am aware is employed by Radio Stoke during commentary. I have been watching Stoke through thick and thin since a similar time but do not feel the need to sit on my keyboard all day on this site! That is why I have few posts! 😁 but sometimes when jockeys criticise a far knowledgeable man than themselves over an opinion 🤐 then I have to shake my head in dismay and give my opinion! If allowed ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 9:53:06 GMT
The only knee jerk thing about this is the kick in the bollocks they will all get if they don't fire the fucker
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Post by nott1 on Jan 4, 2018 9:58:19 GMT
Hero and top player but for Christ sake man you can surely see he’s got to go😡.We all know you’re another that won’t rock the boat but FFS take a leaf out of Pejic’s book “Nows not the time to make knee jerk decisions” Shakes head in disbelief Why does he have to give it a rest? Is he not allowed his opinion if it differs from yours? I didn't hear his thoughts beyond half time but through the first half and during the break he was very critical of our performance, especially the defending of zouma, wimmer and pieters. Denis should be untouchable in my opinion, and he knows much more about football than ALL these keyboard warriers!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2018 10:27:12 GMT
Why does he have to give it a rest? Is he not allowed his opinion if it differs from yours? I didn't hear his thoughts beyond half time but through the first half and during the break he was very critical of our performance, especially the defending of zouma, wimmer and pieters. Denis should be untouchable in my opinion, and he knows much more about football than ALL these keyboard warriers! If he does (and I'm not sure he does) it'd be nice if it occasionally came through on the radio once in a while.
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