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Post by tosh on Jan 4, 2018 10:35:56 GMT
Denis should be untouchable in my opinion, and he knows much more about football than ALL these keyboard warriers! If he does (and I'm not sure he does) it'd be nice if it occasionally came through on the radio once in a while.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 10:37:22 GMT
Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo. Bayernoatcake-in my opinion is always right shocker!! Not at all. But if he works for the club he's not going to be objective. It was a question anyway! 🙄
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Post by tosh on Jan 4, 2018 10:51:16 GMT
A legend as a player but really a stoke city PR man on the radio, as you might expect from an ex player with close links to the club. You are unlikely to hear him seriously criticise selections or tactics or support a change of manager however logical that seems. However once the club has taken that step I would then expect him to be explaining why it was so obviously necessary.
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Post by 3putts on Jan 4, 2018 10:58:38 GMT
Why does he have to give it a rest? Is he not allowed his opinion if it differs from yours? I didn't hear his thoughts beyond half time but through the first half and during the break he was very critical of our performance, especially the defending of zouma, wimmer and pieters. Denis should be untouchable in my opinion, and he knows much more about football than ALL these keyboard warriers! spot on most of these keyboard warriors don't have a clue who denis smith is unless they look it up on google. for me denis is a stoke city hero allways will be, as will banksy, conroy,grenhoff. all of these could have gone to pastures new but have stayed in the area they feel most welcome. and are still supporting stoke and only want what is best for scfc. I would much rather listen to the opinion of any of these than the op
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 4, 2018 11:00:46 GMT
Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo. Bayernoatcake-in my opinion is always right shocker!! Everyone thinks their opinions are right, that’s what an opinion is.
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Post by RAF on Jan 4, 2018 11:06:07 GMT
I love Denis, but I think he is towing the party line with this one. The shambles has gone on for far too long. Toeing Robo! H
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 11:39:22 GMT
Negative! Sorry RAF, you're right! Learn something new every day. I could have sworn it would be tow! Thanks!
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 4, 2018 11:49:16 GMT
If Denis is toeing the party line then the logic of that is that the club doesn't intend to make a knee jerk reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 11:56:27 GMT
If Denis is toeing the party line then the logic of that is that the club doesn't intend to make a knee jerk reaction. Indeed, I think we are stuck with Hughes until the end of the season - only a revolt from the players would change that and I don’t see that happening.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 16:38:08 GMT
Like I've said, the Huddersfield game is massive. If we don't win that, I cannot see how he can survive!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 4, 2018 16:41:40 GMT
I think you are basically right. I sit occasionally with Denis on FA disciplinary panels and see him at training days and you couldn’t meet a more passionate supporter of his home town club. Apart from his career as one of our best ever defenders, he also had a very successful managerial career. This can be checked but I think he may have been the first manager to get 100 points and the only one to achieve that feat with 2 different clubs. He is also a PL match delegate. OK his opinion on this might differ from many supporters but The suggestions that he doesn’t want to rock the boat or that he is afraid to not tow the party line are way wide of the mark. He is no more afraid of expressing his view than he was afraid of making a tackle as a player. And he has forgotten more about professional football than most of us have ever known. Whether you agree with him on this or not, to just dismiss or ridicule his opinion as b******s says far more about the poster than it does about Denis. Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo. To the best of my knowledge he doesn’t. I would guess that if he did he couldn’t be a PL match delegate. I am not saying that Denis is always right or even that he’s right about this. In fact I have disagreed with him in some of our discussions. What I take issue with is the suggestion that he is told what think and say by a radio station or the club or that his views are dismissed with a swear word or that he is told by an anonymous poster to give it a rest. When I have held a different view it has made me stop and think because I have great respect for his knowledge, experience and track record.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 4, 2018 17:32:00 GMT
Fair point about spelling his name correct😇 Keyboard jockey that’s been watching Stoke since 71 through thick and thin by the way🙄 No problem with him giving his opinion but come on to say it’s knee jerk is just wrong for me and thousands of other Stokies I suspect. As for having an insight to what’s going on I very much doubt it. I assure you he knows far more than yourself and as far as I am aware is employed by Radio Stoke during commentary. I have been watching Stoke through thick and thin since a similar time but do not feel the need to sit on my keyboard all day on this site! That is why I have few posts! 😁 but sometimes when jockeys criticise a far knowledgeable man than themselves over an opinion 🤐 then I have to shake my head in dismay and give my opinion! If allowed ? You’re few posts are quite interesting reading actually🤔especially when Mark Hughes was rumoured to be getting the manager’s job,keyboard warrior stuff at its finest.People in glass houses and all that😄👍
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 4, 2018 18:19:13 GMT
If Denis is toeing the party line then the logic of that is that the club doesn't intend to make a knee jerk reaction. And as we head into the neck end of the season at the foot of the table and only armed with the knobs we have now lets hope the decision doesn't come back to sink it's teeth into our arse. Sorry? This isn't a 'lets see how many body parts we can get into a post' game? Ah well I enjoyed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 19:30:36 GMT
Does he still work for the club? If so, his opinion is devalued imo. To the best of my knowledge he doesn’t. I would guess that if he did he couldn’t be a PL match delegate. I am not saying that Denis is always right or even that he’s right about this. In fact I have disagreed with him in some of our discussions. What I take issue with is the suggestion that he is told what think and say by a radio station or the club or that his views are dismissed with a swear word or that he is told by an anonymous poster to give it a rest. When I have held a different view it has made me stop and think because I have great respect for his knowledge, experience and track record. Don’t you question his use of the words knee jerk? I’ve never been in football but, I’d seen enough of mark Hughes managerial skills by the end of last season....even before if I’m honest. Don’t forget, the owners and manager have used those same words recently. Frustrating when a stoke legend is seemingly pumping out scripted lines I don’t support aggressive posts about Denis tho
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Post by boweryboy on Jan 4, 2018 19:33:06 GMT
KNEE JERK.....Jesus,in my opinion this all started at the end of season 2015/2016,when yes it was our third ninth finish,the first two were good no question....but the writing was on the wall...the last seven games of that season we acquired five points out of a possible twenty one,and achieved that by winning our last game against West Ham,a game we should have been three nil down at half time,consiquently we jumped up from thirteenth to ninth, to alot of fans this made it alot more rosey than it actually was....and this three ninth finishes,we owe him some slack...well no we don't, he's just been getting away with crap,alot longer than a good many think,and that includes Peter Coates......oh and by the way,we had four goals put past us in three of those games...and yes they were top six sides.so seriously what has changed from two seasons ago,the following season we were worse...and this season we are diabolical,this is how long it's been going on,and STILL THE BOARD DOES NOT REACT !!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 5, 2018 19:03:18 GMT
To the best of my knowledge he doesn’t. I would guess that if he did he couldn’t be a PL match delegate. I am not saying that Denis is always right or even that he’s right about this. In fact I have disagreed with him in some of our discussions. What I take issue with is the suggestion that he is told what think and say by a radio station or the club or that his views are dismissed with a swear word or that he is told by an anonymous poster to give it a rest. When I have held a different view it has made me stop and think because I have great respect for his knowledge, experience and track record. Don’t you question his use of the words knee jerk? I’ve never been in football but, I’d seen enough of mark Hughes managerial skills by the end of last season....even before if I’m honest. Don’t forget, the owners and manager have used those same words recently. Frustrating when a stoke legend is seemingly pumping out scripted lines I don’t support aggressive posts about Denis tho Well if two people express the same view you can conclude that one is just the mouthpiece of the other "pumping out a scripted line" devised by the other, and either really thinks something different or doesn't have a view of his/her own, or you can make the much simpler and more straightforward conclusion that they have reached the same opinion. I don't see any reason in this case to conclude the former rather than the latter. And if Denis shares a view with Peter Coates, who, apart from being a lifelong fan of the club, with a great deal of financial and emotional investment in it, also knows a great deal about english football, and certainly knows far more about what's going on inside the club than any of us, shouldn't it at least give us pause for thought ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 11:12:21 GMT
Don’t you question his use of the words knee jerk? I’ve never been in football but, I’d seen enough of mark Hughes managerial skills by the end of last season....even before if I’m honest. Don’t forget, the owners and manager have used those same words recently. Frustrating when a stoke legend is seemingly pumping out scripted lines I don’t support aggressive posts about Denis tho Well if two people express the same view you can conclude that one is just the mouthpiece of the other "pumping out a scripted line" devised by the other, and either really thinks something different or doesn't have a view of his/her own, or you can make the much simpler and more straightforward conclusion that they have reached the same opinion. I don't see any reason in this case to conclude the former rather than the latter. And if Denis shares a view with Peter Coates, who, apart from being a lifelong fan of the club, with a great deal of financial and emotional investment in it, also knows a great deal about english football, and certainly knows far more about what's going on inside the club than any of us, shouldn't it at least give us pause for thought ? Well, you being a friend would see it that way, as would I if I knew him I suppose. What I’m saying is, we all know how the club like to send out fan favourites to peddle their words on a weekly basis He wasn’t just “expressing” he was using the same words. Anyway, all I’m saying is you can understand people thinking it regardless of whether he’s a puppet or not. I don’t understand why they feel the need to insult or abuse him.
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Post by 3putts on Jan 6, 2018 11:32:18 GMT
Don’t you question his use of the words knee jerk? I’ve never been in football but, I’d seen enough of mark Hughes managerial skills by the end of last season....even before if I’m honest. Don’t forget, the owners and manager have used those same words recently. Frustrating when a stoke legend is seemingly pumping out scripted lines I don’t support aggressive posts about Denis tho Well if two people express the same view you can conclude that one is just the mouthpiece of the other "pumping out a scripted line" devised by the other, and either really thinks something different or doesn't have a view of his/her own, or you can make the much simpler and more straightforward conclusion that they have reached the same opinion. I don't see any reason in this case to conclude the former rather than the latter. And if Denis shares a view with Peter Coates, who, apart from being a lifelong fan of the club, with a great deal of financial and emotional investment in it, also knows a great deal about english football, and certainly knows far more about what's going on inside the club than any of us, shouldn't it at least give us pause for thought ? I wouldn't waste your time trying to reason with these keyboard warriors Malcolm they are all experts having played fifa on their play stations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 11:52:03 GMT
Well if two people express the same view you can conclude that one is just the mouthpiece of the other "pumping out a scripted line" devised by the other, and either really thinks something different or doesn't have a view of his/her own, or you can make the much simpler and more straightforward conclusion that they have reached the same opinion. I don't see any reason in this case to conclude the former rather than the latter. And if Denis shares a view with Peter Coates, who, apart from being a lifelong fan of the club, with a great deal of financial and emotional investment in it, also knows a great deal about english football, and certainly knows far more about what's going on inside the club than any of us, shouldn't it at least give us pause for thought ? I wouldn't waste your time trying to reason with these keyboard warriors Malcolm they are all experts having played fifa on their play stations. Keyboard warrior? Why because I’m having a discussion? Grow up a bit mate I juggle caring for an 87 year old lady and have worked for myself since 1989 No time to get my commador 64 out of the attic Be careful you don’t fall into your own catagory
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Post by walrus on Jan 6, 2018 12:09:10 GMT
Pejic usually chats shite as well, he’s very much in ‘blind squirrel’ mode at the moment where his standard ‘pashun! work ‘aaard’ stuff is finding its target because the team actually currently is lily livered and weak as piss. Usually it’s just xenophobic bollocks stuck in 1973. I don’t think xenophobia comes into it. Pejic is half Serbian and his father was one of many Yugoslavs who settled in Stoke in the mid 20th century. We only call him Pej-ick because we didn’t know any better back then. If he was a player now he would be called Pay-itch.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2018 12:10:53 GMT
Don’t you question his use of the words knee jerk? I’ve never been in football but, I’d seen enough of mark Hughes managerial skills by the end of last season....even before if I’m honest. Don’t forget, the owners and manager have used those same words recently. Frustrating when a stoke legend is seemingly pumping out scripted lines I don’t support aggressive posts about Denis tho Well if two people express the same view you can conclude that one is just the mouthpiece of the other "pumping out a scripted line" devised by the other, and either really thinks something different or doesn't have a view of his/her own, or you can make the much simpler and more straightforward conclusion that they have reached the same opinion. I don't see any reason in this case to conclude the former rather than the latter. And if Denis shares a view with Peter Coates, who, apart from being a lifelong fan of the club, with a great deal of financial and emotional investment in it, also knows a great deal about english football, and certainly knows far more about what's going on inside the club than any of us, shouldn't it at least give us pause for thought ? Peter Coates said he didn't know what the fuss about 3 weeks ago. And now there's radio silence from one of the most talkative chairman in the business. The board are handling this terribly.
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Post by magwitch on Jan 6, 2018 12:48:38 GMT
I have noted the obvious bias in comments made by Dennis Smith and the contrast with the views of Mike Pejic. Personally I prefer to listen to Pej because he comes across as more realistic considering what has been observed by all supporters over the last couple of years. Some of the comments on this thread seem to confuse knowledge with experience. They are not the same thing because the capacity to learn differs fron one individual to another, together with an ability to analyse facts and experience accurately. Managers are faced with trying to cope with the variations in human nature which obviously some do better than others. My feeling about Hughes is that he is not too good at this, and this does not necessarily relate to his years of experience as a manager.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 6, 2018 13:13:56 GMT
Pejic usually chats shite as well, he’s very much in ‘blind squirrel’ mode at the moment where his standard ‘pashun! work ‘aaard’ stuff is finding its target because the team actually currently is lily livered and weak as piss. Usually it’s just xenophobic bollocks stuck in 1973. I don’t think xenophobia comes into it. Pejic is half Serbian and his father was one of many Yugoslavs who settled in Stoke in the mid 20th century. We only call him Pej-ick because we didn’t know any better back then. If he was a player now he would be called Pay-itch. It shouldn’t do but if you read his stuff he’s always getting stuck into the foreign lads and holds them to entirely different standards as the Brits. The brass balls of the man to lament us selling Arnie after he stuck the boot into him every single week without fail, and Shaq gets the same treatment now, and did even when he was playing well earlier in the season.
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Post by werrington on Jan 6, 2018 17:15:26 GMT
Cmon Dennis ....explain that fucking shambles
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Post by werrington on Jan 6, 2018 17:34:36 GMT
What’s he said tonight then ?
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Post by milky on Jan 6, 2018 17:39:07 GMT
What’s he said tonight then ? He wasn't part of the commentary today mate. Liam Lawrence was co commentator and He was less than complimentary. In fact he sounded genuinely shocked at how bad we were at times !
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 6, 2018 21:38:09 GMT
Well if two people express the same view you can conclude that one is just the mouthpiece of the other "pumping out a scripted line" devised by the other, and either really thinks something different or doesn't have a view of his/her own, or you can make the much simpler and more straightforward conclusion that they have reached the same opinion. I don't see any reason in this case to conclude the former rather than the latter. And if Denis shares a view with Peter Coates, who, apart from being a lifelong fan of the club, with a great deal of financial and emotional investment in it, also knows a great deal about english football, and certainly knows far more about what's going on inside the club than any of us, shouldn't it at least give us pause for thought ? Well, you being a friend would see it that way, as would I if I knew him I suppose. What I’m saying is, we all know how the club like to send out fan favourites to peddle their words on a weekly basis He wasn’t just “expressing” he was using the same words. Anyway, all I’m saying is you can understand people thinking it regardless of whether he’s a puppet or not. I don’t understand why they feel the need to insult or abuse him. Just for the record, he isn't a personal friend, but I see him occasionally on FA business, where inevitably, the talk is likely to turn to the club we both support, and I respect his knowledge and experience. Anyway, tonight's news means that this debate is now over and we can all move on.
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