wapiti
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Post by wapiti on Dec 29, 2017 8:12:10 GMT
Ruined? Of course not, it's fucking beautiful. Stoke is plodding along but there is drama in whether they will be in the top 10 or relegated. Next two Stoke games will be on TV here. .....Yowza! Man City has already won the PL but since Stoke doesn't have a chance to do so, who cares? BTW, they are also going to win the Champions League. Super League, unlikely.....Champs League already has this covered. I don't give a shit about player salaries.....it's just money leaking out of arsehole billionaire's pockets and I'd rather see players spending it.
I wish Stoke City was doing better and had a manager who could better inspire and guide this team, but the quality of play overall within the league is amazing. Add in the Champions League and either the World Cup or the European Cup every two years and this is a great time to follow and enjoy this game.
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Post by alster on Dec 29, 2017 9:45:50 GMT
With all the money in the world Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City still don't have a better keeper than us. The gap between the rich and the so called poor of the premiership should be closing not widening. It's the owners of the lesser teams that are not spending to keep pace. We are the 39th richest club IN THE WORLD . Does anyone even the most deluded think we have the 39th best team in the world. You need two teams of top quality players to play in the Prem and in CL or Europa FACT. We haven't got one with everyone fully fit. FACT. That's why people are dishartened because teams like us are balking at the money needed to compete. It's 100 million for a top 6 club striker and we cry at spending 12 million. We should be spending 30-40 million on a star striker and the cheapest player in our squad should be valued at 15-20 million we finished 9th 3 times in a row and have had the money . We just keep pissing it up the wall on crocks, old men and bad attitudes. We take the cheap gamble player every time. Well look at Liverpool since we dicked them 6-1, spent a lot of money and are getting the results. Doesn't always work, needs a team that know a player and where to play him. But that's why you pay big money for a top manager and his behind the scenes team. Biggest problem is making our club attractive enough for decent players to want to come here. Rugby team and open corner stadium hardly did that did they? But many deluded idiots on here wanted that again. Stepping backwards to a Championship side is not the answer. Consolidation in the prem is, but we have to pay the going rate to do it, it simply can't be done on the cheap and the fabled next step can't be done in a few year. It has to be EVERY aspect of the club gradually improving and I'm sorry but the cheap option players we've taken in the last two seasons have hurt us badly. We haven't even replaced like with like never mind improve. N'Zonzi (sold) not replaced, Arni (Sold) not replaced, Bojan (career changing injury) not replaced Huth (sold) not replaced add in a few seasoned pros like Bardsley, Walters, Whelan who certainly have not been improved upon and people wonder why we're struggling.just LOL. I think you have totally missed the point. The point isn't me crying about being a stoke fan and low spending, I'm talking about why there is a need to spend £40 MILLION on a player. No player is worth that daft amount. So the money is in the game what do you expect to happen to it. Increase Coates already burgeoning bank balance, disappear into thin air?
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Post by alster on Dec 29, 2017 9:52:42 GMT
Same as most everything else in life is a never ending uphill battle but we don't start taking it in turns to be chief executive of BP do we. Why can't people seem to cope with others being better and more successful than we are that's life. Its because we are Stoke and hard to comprehend anyone being better than us. I think maybe you need to get out more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 11:39:59 GMT
With all the money in the world Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City still don't have a better keeper than us. Wow wow wow, I read the first line and that was enough. You think we have a better goalkeeper than Chelsea and Man City?? Wow. I think he can become as good yes, which may be why they all want him
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 29, 2017 13:27:54 GMT
I don't think it is ruined, just going through a change as a consequence of Leicester taking the title, which remember was only 18 months ago. The response of the big club owners to their club management has been, well if Leicester can do it, why can't you? The club management response has been to go and throw money at improving the squads of the very top teams, namely ManC, ManU, and Chelsea, who I think would be the only team truly challenging ManC if they had kept Diego Costa.
Liverpool's purchase of Van Dijk smacks of desperation by Liverpool who see the gap widening with ManC and ManU. Eventually their owners will lose patience with throwing vast sums of money at the club every year and achieving very little. It strikes me Arsenal and Spurs don't have the appetite for spending vast sums on individual players and are more concerned with keeping hold of their best players from the bigger fish in the pond, and in Spurs case, ground and business (American Football) development.
I think a lot of the negative posts above are prompted by frustration with Stoke's lack of progress, particularly after all the optimism 3 seasons ago. But if we are frustrated, what about Liverpool fans? They have an annual revenue of £400 million and since Stoke joined the Prem. they have won one League Cup in 2012. Arsenal have the highest earning stadium in world football and a similar income to Liverpool and have won the FA Cup three times, while Spurs income is roughly double Stoke's and they have won nothing since the League Cup in 2008. Not forgetting in Stoke's first season back in the top flight Newcastle, Middlesbrough, and West Brom were all relegated, while Stoke stayed up with Villa (6th), Fulham (7th), Wigan, Bolton, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Sunderland, and Hull. Our FA Cup final and ELC semi- may seem paltry, but we do have a lot to be grateful for and proud of, although we are now going through a lean patch.
I think it is just a question of time and not long before there is a sea change and owners will lose patience at minimal success returns on their investments and start cutting budgets, particularly when they see what Burnley are achieving. I may be old fashioned but I do not sense their is a big appetite for a European super league. What goes around, comes around.
My main hope for the future of football is that (future) technology will be engaged to improve the refereeing of the game. We have goal line technology, and I know it worked against us on Boxing Day, but it was justice by the rules of the game. I would like to see the technology developed for the ball going out of play anywhere round the circumference, off-side judgements, GK touching the ball outside their area, which player last touched the ball before it went out, etc. I even think it will be possible eventually to judge whether a player was starting "his fall" before he was touched! If people doubt this, I wonder how many thought 50 years ago we would be sitting in a our living rooms, watching technology decide whether or not a batsman in an Australian test match was out LBW or not and umpires being proved right or wrong from computer predictions of the path of the ball.
Football has enjoyed a gravy train from TV revenue. If that bubble were to burst it would have to less lethargic in changing its rules to maintain popular support/interest, instead of the current pandering to TV companies.
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Post by alster on Dec 29, 2017 14:59:16 GMT
I don't think it is ruined, just going through a change as a consequence of Leicester taking the title, which remember was only 18 months ago. The response of the big club owners to their club management has been, well if Leicester can do it, why can't you? The club management response has been to go and throw money at improving the squads of the very top teams, namely ManC, ManU, and Chelsea, who I think would be the only team truly challenging ManC if they had kept Diego Costa. Liverpool's purchase of Van Dijk smacks of desperation by Liverpool who see the gap widening with ManC and ManU. Eventually their owners will lose patience with throwing vast sums of money at the club every year and achieving very little. It strikes me Arsenal and Spurs don't have the appetite for spending vast sums on individual players and are more concerned with keeping hold of their best players from the bigger fish in the pond, and in Spurs case, ground and business (American Football) development. I think a lot of the negative posts above are prompted by frustration with Stoke's lack of progress, particularly after all the optimism 3 seasons ago. But if we are frustrated, what about Liverpool fans? They have an annual revenue of £400 million and since Stoke joined the Prem. they have won one League Cup in 2012. Arsenal have the highest earning stadium in world football and a similar income to Liverpool and have won the FA Cup three times, while Spurs income is roughly double Stoke's and they have won nothing since the League Cup in 2008. Not forgetting in Stoke's first season back in the top flight Newcastle, Middlesbrough, and West Brom were all relegated, while Stoke stayed up with Villa (6th), Fulham (7th), Wigan, Bolton, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Sunderland, and Hull. Our FA Cup final and ELC semi- may seem paltry, but we do have a lot to be grateful for and proud of, although we are now going through a lean patch. I think it is just a question of time and not long before there is a sea change and owners will lose patience at minimal success returns on their investments and start cutting budgets, particularly when they see what Burnley are achieving. I may be old fashioned but I do not sense their is a big appetite for a European super league. What goes around, comes around. My main hope for the future of football is that (future) technology will be engaged to improve the refereeing of the game. We have goal line technology, and I know it worked against us on Boxing Day, but it was justice by the rules of the game. I would like to see the technology developed for the ball going out of play anywhere round the circumference, off-side judgements, GK touching the ball outside their area, which player last touched the ball before it went out, etc. I even think it will be possible eventually to judge whether a player was starting "his fall" before he was touched! If people doubt this, I wonder how many thought 50 years ago we would be sitting in a our living rooms, watching technology decide whether or not a batsman in an Australian test match was out LBW or not and umpires being proved right or wrong from computer predictions of the path of the ball. Football has enjoyed a gravy train from TV revenue. If that bubble were to burst it would have to less lethargic in changing its rules to maintain popular support/interest, instead of the current pandering to TV companies.[/b] You do realise that when/if the TV money bubble bursts that it will/would involve large drops in income for the same product. Widespread availability to watch matches via digital media is not going to disappear to the point where fans attending games become king again that sort of thinking is naive. Its like thinking we'll all return to Victorian values and behavior, humankind's progress and behavior evolves in a linear manner not a cyclical one. The TV bubble burst in Italy years ago they still have to pander to tv companies. I think your analogy of Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs their fans frustration is flawed too. Silverware isn't the be all and end all anymore qualifying for the Champions League is far preferable to winning a cup and that's why these owners will not lose patience with minimal success because they're achieving success you just can't seem to grasp it. I really don't think any of them will be modeling themselves on Burnley anytime soon.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 29, 2017 18:37:07 GMT
I don't think it is ruined, just going through a change as a consequence of Leicester taking the title, which remember was only 18 months ago. The response of the big club owners to their club management has been, well if Leicester can do it, why can't you? The club management response has been to go and throw money at improving the squads of the very top teams, namely ManC, ManU, and Chelsea, who I think would be the only team truly challenging ManC if they had kept Diego Costa. Liverpool's purchase of Van Dijk smacks of desperation by Liverpool who see the gap widening with ManC and ManU. Eventually their owners will lose patience with throwing vast sums of money at the club every year and achieving very little. It strikes me Arsenal and Spurs don't have the appetite for spending vast sums on individual players and are more concerned with keeping hold of their best players from the bigger fish in the pond, and in Spurs case, ground and business (American Football) development. I think a lot of the negative posts above are prompted by frustration with Stoke's lack of progress, particularly after all the optimism 3 seasons ago. But if we are frustrated, what about Liverpool fans? They have an annual revenue of £400 million and since Stoke joined the Prem. they have won one League Cup in 2012. Arsenal have the highest earning stadium in world football and a similar income to Liverpool and have won the FA Cup three times, while Spurs income is roughly double Stoke's and they have won nothing since the League Cup in 2008. Not forgetting in Stoke's first season back in the top flight Newcastle, Middlesbrough, and West Brom were all relegated, while Stoke stayed up with Villa (6th), Fulham (7th), Wigan, Bolton, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Sunderland, and Hull. Our FA Cup final and ELC semi- may seem paltry, but we do have a lot to be grateful for and proud of, although we are now going through a lean patch. I think it is just a question of time and not long before there is a sea change and owners will lose patience at minimal success returns on their investments and start cutting budgets, particularly when they see what Burnley are achieving. I may be old fashioned but I do not sense their is a big appetite for a European super league. What goes around, comes around. My main hope for the future of football is that (future) technology will be engaged to improve the refereeing of the game. We have goal line technology, and I know it worked against us on Boxing Day, but it was justice by the rules of the game. I would like to see the technology developed for the ball going out of play anywhere round the circumference, off-side judgements, GK touching the ball outside their area, which player last touched the ball before it went out, etc. I even think it will be possible eventually to judge whether a player was starting "his fall" before he was touched! If people doubt this, I wonder how many thought 50 years ago we would be sitting in a our living rooms, watching technology decide whether or not a batsman in an Australian test match was out LBW or not and umpires being proved right or wrong from computer predictions of the path of the ball. Football has enjoyed a gravy train from TV revenue. If that bubble were to burst it would have to less lethargic in changing its rules to maintain popular support/interest, instead of the current pandering to TV companies.[/b] You do realise that when/if the TV money bubble bursts that it will/would involve large drops in income for the same product. Widespread availability to watch matches via digital media is not going to disappear to the point where fans attending games become king again that sort of thinking is naive. Its like thinking we'll all return to Victorian values and behavior, humankind's progress and behavior evolves in a linear manner not a cyclical one. The TV bubble burst in Italy years ago they still have to pander to tv companies. I think your analogy of Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs their fans frustration is flawed too. Silverware isn't the be all and end all anymore qualifying for the Champions League is far preferable to winning a cup and that's why these owners will not lose patience with minimal success because they're achieving success you just can't seem to grasp it. I really don't think any of them will be modeling themselves on Burnley anytime soon. [/quote] I think my reference to football enjoying a "gravy train from TV revenue does infer I do realise there could be a large drop in income. Did I say, or infer, "fans attending games become king again"? I think your third sentence is trying to say: "tempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis" "qualifying for the Champions League is far preferable to winning a cup" is an interesting opinion. It implies to me that there may be evolution in humankind's behaviour, but little if any change in nature as it sounds like Aesop's fabled sour grapes to me. "We can't win a trophy so we'll accept second/third/fourth best as just as good, nay better indeed!" I'm not pleased to hear Liverpool, Arsenal, and Spurs owners will not lose patience and keep pouring the money in; not much chance for Stoke then hey? I didn't actually say those clubs would model themselves on Burnley. I suggested they will lose patience pouring in money when they see what Burnley have achieved on a minimal budget and start to pull on the spending reins; clearly you disagree and believe they are happy with their success.
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Post by alster on Dec 29, 2017 18:50:15 GMT
[/b] You do realise that when/if the TV money bubble bursts that it will/would involve large drops in income for the same product. Widespread availability to watch matches via digital media is not going to disappear to the point where fans attending games become king again that sort of thinking is naive. Its like thinking we'll all return to Victorian values and behavior, humankind's progress and behavior evolves in a linear manner not a cyclical one. The TV bubble burst in Italy years ago they still have to pander to tv companies. I think your analogy of Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs their fans frustration is flawed too. Silverware isn't the be all and end all anymore qualifying for the Champions League is far preferable to winning a cup and that's why these owners will not lose patience with minimal success because they're achieving success you just can't seem to grasp it. I really don't think any of them will be modeling themselves on Burnley anytime soon. [/quote] I think my reference to football enjoying a "gravy train from TV revenue does infer I do realise there could be a large drop in income. Did I say, or infer, "fans attending games become king again"? I think your third sentence is trying to say: "tempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis" "qualifying for the Champions League is far preferable to winning a cup" is an interesting opinion. It implies to me that there may be evolution in humankind's behaviour, but little if any change in nature as it sounds like Aesop's fabled sour grapes to me. "We can't win a trophy so we'll accept second/third/fourth best as just as good, nay better indeed!" I'm not pleased to hear Liverpool, Arsenal, and Spurs owners will not lose patience and keep pouring the money in; not much chance for Stoke then hey? I didn't actually say those clubs would model themselves on Burnley. I suggested they will lose patience pouring in money when they see what Burnley have achieved on a minimal budget and start to pull on the spending reins; clearly you disagree and believe they are happy with their success.[/quote] I believe that qualifying for the champions league is far more profitable than winning a cup and the feelgood is spread over a longer period. I believe an investor would become impatient with his team far more quickly if they won a cup every season but failed to get in the top three thereby guaranteeing being in the Champions league group stage. You yourself admit you're old fashioned, I think maybe the realities of modern football have passed you by.
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bobk
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Post by bobk on Dec 29, 2017 18:55:18 GMT
There's only 6 teams in the PL going for Europe , the other 14 should play the reserves against them ........... starting tomorrow
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Post by alster on Dec 29, 2017 19:10:00 GMT
There's only 6 teams in the PL going for Europe , the other 14 should play the reserves against them ........... starting tomorrow Bet they'd be devastated at being able to rest their stars for the latter stages of the Champions/Europa leagues knowing they weren't even risking their league position. Not related to Baldrick by any chance?
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