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Berahino
Dec 28, 2017 19:01:48 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Dec 28, 2017 19:01:48 GMT
I'd start with him at Chelsea myself. You can't play crouch away from home, especially against the big teams. It just allows them to push up into our half with their defenders, meaning it's very hard for us to get out. As much pace as we can up top to keep their defenders thinking what might keep going in behind them. Has Berahino got pace? Haven’t seen much evidence of it. You think crouch is quicker?
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Berahino
Dec 28, 2017 19:05:52 GMT
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Post by mattythestokie on Dec 28, 2017 19:05:52 GMT
We'd genuinely rather pay another 70k a week and loan fee for someone instead of giving a player we've already got an actually run of games.
I'd question if Ings is even as good as Berahino but I honestly feel we don't know how good either of them are. Never mind just one of them.
And one of them has been with us a fucking year.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 28, 2017 19:07:53 GMT
Has Berahino got pace? Haven’t seen much evidence of it. You think crouch is quicker? Could be - he has very long legs.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 28, 2017 19:09:12 GMT
I'd start with him at Chelsea myself. You can't play crouch away from home, especially against the big teams. It just allows them to push up into our half with their defenders, meaning it's very hard for us to get out. As much pace as we can up top to keep their defenders thinking what might keep going in behind them. Has Berahino got pace? Haven’t seen much evidence of it. We haven’t seen much of anything from Berahino.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2017 19:09:43 GMT
Has Berahino got pace? Haven’t seen much evidence of it. You think crouch is quicker? No. But you specifically mentioned pace. I’d sooner N’Goy was given a go.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 28, 2017 19:27:20 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Dec 28, 2017 19:48:59 GMT
Sshhhhhhh. Keep it quiet. Some on here don't think so.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2017 19:49:48 GMT
Would be nice to see some of that in a Stoke shirt.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2017 19:50:41 GMT
Sshhhhhhh. Keep it quiet. Some on here don't think so. It’s possible to have pace and lose it. Based on the evidence of your own eyes at the match, has he displayed this ‘whippet fast’ pace?
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 28, 2017 19:55:49 GMT
Would be nice to see some of that in a Stoke shirt. Our attacking play is so ponderous and slow I doubt he's had much chance to be honest. I genuinely think if we set up in such a way to exploit any pace he has, we would see a different player.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 19:59:45 GMT
He has to start vs Newcastle, he can hold it up, and he's shown he can get into good positions in the very few games he's had this season. In a game where we should be on the front foot we need a striker who can both move (that rules out crouch) and take a touch that goes within 30 yards of himself (rules out Diouf).
Saido up top with Jese, Shaq and Choupo behind. Having a striker with some movement stops their defence pushing high up and gives shaq more room too. Shaqiri struggled against Huddersfield because with Crouch up front a defence can squeeze the space.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2017 20:03:13 GMT
Would be nice to see some of that in a Stoke shirt. Our attacking play is so ponderous and slow I doubt he's had much chance to be honest. I genuinely think if we set up in such a way to exploit any pace he has, we would see a different player. He’s had plenty of chance to show some pace - it really only involves ‘running fast’. However ponderous our play is, you can tell who’s quick and who isn’t.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2017 20:04:02 GMT
He has to start vs Newcastle, he can hold it up, and he's shown he can get into good positions in the very few games he's had this season. In a game where we should be on the front foot we need a striker who can both move (that rules out crouch) and take a touch that goes within 30 yards of himself (rules out Diouf). Saido up top with Jese, Shaq and Choupo behind. Having a striker with some movement stops their defence pushing high up and gives shaq more room too. Shaqiri struggled against Huddersfield because with Crouch up front a defence can squeeze the space. When has Berahino held it up effectively?
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 28, 2017 20:09:06 GMT
The problem is Berahino has no discernible attributes. He ISNT quick. Far from it. He’s shit in the air, has an awful touch and contrary to the cognoscenti on here doesn’t make great runs. He hides behind defenders.
We all know he doesn’t score goals so what the fuck does he offer?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 20:10:58 GMT
He has to start vs Newcastle, he can hold it up, and he's shown he can get into good positions in the very few games he's had this season. In a game where we should be on the front foot we need a striker who can both move (that rules out crouch) and take a touch that goes within 30 yards of himself (rules out Diouf). Saido up top with Jese, Shaq and Choupo behind. Having a striker with some movement stops their defence pushing high up and gives shaq more room too. Shaqiri struggled against Huddersfield because with Crouch up front a defence can squeeze the space. When has Berahino held it up effectively? Saints game, Arsenal game, he did pretty well at Watford as I remember too, with very little help.
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Berahino
Dec 28, 2017 20:11:42 GMT
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 28, 2017 20:11:42 GMT
He always looked rapid at West Brom
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 28, 2017 20:14:13 GMT
He never struck me as out-and-out fast at West Brom.
But what stands out on his compilations is confident, first-time finishing
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 28, 2017 20:15:05 GMT
He has to start vs Newcastle, he can hold it up, and he's shown he can get into good positions in the very few games he's had this season. In a game where we should be on the front foot we need a striker who can both move (that rules out crouch) and take a touch that goes within 30 yards of himself (rules out Diouf). Saido up top with Jese, Shaq and Choupo behind. Having a striker with some movement stops their defence pushing high up and gives shaq more room too. Shaqiri struggled against Huddersfield because with Crouch up front a defence can squeeze the space. Why not start him against Chelsea ?, why has the manager not started him for months on end, have you not noticed he will play anybody up front rather than Berahino, if he is all you claim he is why is the manager not playing him ?, by the way his hold up play is not that good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 20:22:27 GMT
He has to start vs Newcastle, he can hold it up, and he's shown he can get into good positions in the very few games he's had this season. In a game where we should be on the front foot we need a striker who can both move (that rules out crouch) and take a touch that goes within 30 yards of himself (rules out Diouf). Saido up top with Jese, Shaq and Choupo behind. Having a striker with some movement stops their defence pushing high up and gives shaq more room too. Shaqiri struggled against Huddersfield because with Crouch up front a defence can squeeze the space. Why not start him against Chelsea ?, why has the manager not started him for months on end, have you not noticed he will play anybody up front rather than Berahino, if he is all you claim he is why is the manager not playing him ?, by the way his hold up play is not that good. I'd start Diouf, bit more pace and we're only ever going to be playing on the break. Because the manager is an idiot. I thought it was good in his few games this season and for all his lack of sharpness last season, his hold up play looked alright.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 28, 2017 20:27:13 GMT
Our attacking play is so ponderous and slow I doubt he's had much chance to be honest. I genuinely think if we set up in such a way to exploit any pace he has, we would see a different player. He’s had plenty of chance to show some pace - it really only involves ‘running fast’. However ponderous our play is, you can tell who’s quick and who isn’t. I'm not sure I agree. He's hardly going to be belting around at 100mph whilst we complete our fifteenth back pass from midfield to defence before finally twatting it long. I honestly think he would look a different player for somebody like Leicester or Palace, who play with pace into the channels. I'm not saying he's a great player, he's clearly got zero confidence, and we also don't see what he's like in training. But if he's fit and not suffered a serious injury, he should be as quick as, or close to as quick as those articles suggest.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2017 20:28:36 GMT
When has Berahino held it up effectively? Saints game, Arsenal game, he did pretty well at Watford as I remember too, with very little help. Arsenal game he had that nice interchange with Jesé but can’t recall a lot of back to goal work. He just doesn’t influence games anything like enough.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2017 20:30:41 GMT
He’s had plenty of chance to show some pace - it really only involves ‘running fast’. However ponderous our play is, you can tell who’s quick and who isn’t. I'm not sure I agree. He's hardly going to be belting around at 100mph whilst we complete our fifteenth back pass from midfield to defence before finally twatting it long. I honestly think he would look a different player for somebody like Leicester or Palace, who play with pace into the channels. I'm not saying he's a great player, he's clearly got zero confidence, and we also don't see what he's like in training. But if he's fit and not suffered a serious injury, he should be as quick as, or close to as quick as those articles suggest. No, but on the counter you can see who’s quick and who isn’t, when there’s space to exploit you can see who’s quick and who isn’t, and when you have genuine pace in the side you generally aren’t as ponderous because your quick players make things happen for themselves and others. Compare Diouf’s games up top to Saido’s in terms of pace and it’s night and day. It’s impossible to hide pace under a bushel.
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Berahino
Dec 28, 2017 20:33:35 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Dec 28, 2017 20:33:35 GMT
Saints game, Arsenal game, he did pretty well at Watford as I remember too, with very little help. Arsenal game he had that nice interchange with Jesé but can’t recall a lot of back to goal work. He just doesn’t influence games anything like enough. When you play a top side away from home you just can't play crouch. I don't care who he plays as long as their defenders think, hang on a minute, if we push too high into their half we have to be wary of runners in behind us. Away from home they could push as high up to us as they want and give crouch a 40 yard head start and still catch us back up.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2017 20:36:02 GMT
Arsenal game he had that nice interchange with Jesé but can’t recall a lot of back to goal work. He just doesn’t influence games anything like enough. When you play a top side away from home you just can't play crouch. I don't care who he plays as long as their defenders think, hang on a minute, if we push too high into their half we have to be wary of runners in behind us. Away from home they could push as high up to us as they want and give crouch a 40 yard head start and still catch us back up. I agree. I wouldn’t play Crouch. It isn’t a straight choice between Crouch and Berahino, thankfully.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 20:36:41 GMT
Saints game, Arsenal game, he did pretty well at Watford as I remember too, with very little help. Arsenal game he had that nice interchange with Jesé but can’t recall a lot of back to goal work. He just doesn’t influence games anything like enough. I think he showed he can keep it pretty well in that and the Saints game. I agree he isn't a Fuller or Arnie type, but with some creativity behind him (3 from Jese/Shaq/Choupo/Ramadan) he can be the focal point and get some goals. We needed a striker in the Watford, Palace, Brighton games and Hughes started Choupo there. The palace game was blatantly obvious especially, we kept getting in the final third and couldn't do anything with it cause no-one was in the box.
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2017 20:50:25 GMT
Would be nice to see some of that in a Stoke shirt. Our attacking play is so ponderous and slow I doubt he's had much chance to be honest. I genuinely think if we set up in such a way to exploit any pace he has, we would see a different player. Diouf has pace we don't play to exploit that when he's up top, we simply don't play quick through balls or play the ball into space behind a defence. Everything we do is laboriously slow our striker has to battle when swamped by defenders. Playing as we are we need a much stronger more mobile target man than Crouch, there is no recent evidence that the manager is willing to play any other way.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 28, 2017 20:52:29 GMT
The problem is Berahino has no discernible attributes. He ISNT quick. Far from it. He’s shit in the air, has an awful touch and contrary to the cognoscenti on here doesn’t make great runs. He hides behind defenders. We all know he doesn’t score goals so what the fuck does he offer? The runs he makes are predictable, as you say any decent ex player will tell you he is looking to hide ! often ending up within touching distance of a defender, he is shocking in the air , back to goal his touch is not good enough to keep or shield the ball, not quick or skilful enough to take defenders on one on one I can see why Hughes doesn't play him, what I can not see is why he bought him in the first place.
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2017 20:52:59 GMT
When you play a top side away from home you just can't play crouch. I don't care who he plays as long as their defenders think, hang on a minute, if we push too high into their half we have to be wary of runners in behind us. Away from home they could push as high up to us as they want and give crouch a 40 yard head start and still catch us back up. I agree. I wouldn’t play Crouch. It isn’t a straight choice between Crouch and Berahino, thankfully. Its time the starting Crouch option was put to bed for good.
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Berahino
Dec 28, 2017 20:56:44 GMT
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 28, 2017 20:56:44 GMT
Sshhhhhhh. Keep it quiet. Some on here don't think so. It’s possible to have pace and lose it. Based on the evidence of your own eyes at the match, has he displayed this ‘whippet fast’ pace? Wouldn't be surprised if an actual whippet didn't have pace if he trained with our lot
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2017 21:01:45 GMT
It’s possible to have pace and lose it. Based on the evidence of your own eyes at the match, has he displayed this ‘whippet fast’ pace? Wouldn't be surprised if an actual whippet didn't have pace if he trained with our lot Well lets put it this way we have so many players who aren't up to the job physically it would be bloody hard work to look bad in training.
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