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Post by tuum on Dec 30, 2017 20:56:30 GMT
For much of the game, Berahino strolled around like it was a Sunday afternoon after a roast beef dinner. Yes, ultimately it's Hughes' fault, but for Christ sake, things are bad enough without making stuff up. Disagree. He was constantly looking to make runs playing on the shoulder of their last defender. Unfortunately, our negative mindset meant that we hardly ever played any balls over the top to get defenders turned. He was one of the better ones today in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 20:58:35 GMT
The Berahino Apologists are out in force again I see. He got another 90 minutes and missed another one-on-one. Dont care about the opposition being Chelsea, the guy could play for another 2,000 minutes and will never score a goal without it being a total fluke Another 90 minutes? It's his 3rd in 22 league appearances!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 30, 2017 21:22:36 GMT
I give up Morata missed at least 2 one v ones today would you turn your nose up at him ? No because he’s actually scored some goals in the past 2 years. Next excuse?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 21:26:44 GMT
Seriously now.. I am wank at tactics... Dunna even understand 4-4-2 But even I know HE IS WANK
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 30, 2017 21:26:57 GMT
Morata missed at least 2 one v ones today would you turn your nose up at him ? No because he’s actually scored some goals in the past 2 years. Next excuse? Is it possible that playing for Chelsea & the service he is getting might help just a tad? How do you think he'd of done today for stoke in Berahinos position?
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Dec 30, 2017 21:32:00 GMT
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 30, 2017 21:32:00 GMT
For much of the game, Berahino strolled around like it was a Sunday afternoon after a roast beef dinner. Yes, ultimately it's Hughes' fault, but for Christ sake, things are bad enough without making stuff up. Disagree. He was constantly looking to make runs playing on the shoulder of their last defender. Unfortunately, our negative mindset meant that we hardly ever played any balls over the top to get defenders turned. He was one of the better ones today in my opinion. Ah yes tbose’great runs’ when he hides behind a defender
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 30, 2017 21:33:09 GMT
Disagree. He was constantly looking to make runs playing on the shoulder of their last defender. Unfortunately, our negative mindset meant that we hardly ever played any balls over the top to get defenders turned. He was one of the better ones today in my opinion. Ah yes tbose’great runs’ when he hides behind a defender How well do you think morata would have done today for stoke in Berahinos position?
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 30, 2017 21:34:25 GMT
Scored
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 30, 2017 21:36:10 GMT
Really, well how do you explain the fact morata missed at least 2 one on ones today and berahino only had one chance to miss?
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 30, 2017 21:36:45 GMT
He had no data
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 30, 2017 21:37:46 GMT
Really, well how do you explain the fact morata missed at least 2 one on ones today and berahino only had one opportunity all game? We're expecting a 100% conversion rate now are we?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 30, 2017 21:38:53 GMT
I didn't think he was that bad and looked pretty pacey. With the right service I'm convinced he'll do OK.
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Post by tuum on Dec 30, 2017 21:45:50 GMT
Disagree. He was constantly looking to make runs playing on the shoulder of their last defender. Unfortunately, our negative mindset meant that we hardly ever played any balls over the top to get defenders turned. He was one of the better ones today in my opinion. Ah yes tbose’great runs’ when he hides behind a defender Who mentioned "great"? There were several times when he was working the defensive line trying to time his run awaiting the ball over the top that never came. Cameron was the biggest culprit. He missed several opportunities to release Berahino over the top. Running from behind a defender is not always a bad thing.
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 30, 2017 22:19:20 GMT
Ah yes tbose’great runs’ when he hides behind a defender Who mentioned "great"? There were several times when he was working the defensive line trying to time his run awaiting the ball over the top that never came. Cameron was the biggest culprit. He missed several opportunities to release Berahino over the top. Running from behind a defender is not always a bad thing. The biggest myth on the Oatcake is Berahino ‘ makes great runs’. He just fucking doesn’t
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Post by superleft on Dec 30, 2017 22:40:01 GMT
Anyone who thinks Berahino is shit knows nowt. Do you really think the lad flukes his way through years of scouting,representing England from under 16 to under 21 level in the process. Breaks into the senior level and scores 20 goals for a premier league team. But then joins Stoke and miraculously becomes shit?
His problem is confidence and tactics. And he doesn't just need any old game time, getting judged on cameo appearances and the odd full match away at Chelsea. He needs game time with a suitable formation and supply to him.
He's out of form and regaining his form isn't 100% in his control clearly.
Anyone calling him shit is daft.
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Post by upthefud on Dec 30, 2017 22:50:08 GMT
Anyone who thinks Berahino is shit knows nowt. Do you really think the lad flukes his way through years of scouting,representing England from under 16 to under 21 level in the process. Breaks into the senior level and scores 20 goals for a premier league team. But then joins Stoke and miraculously becomes shit? His problem is confidence and tactics. And he doesn't just need any old game time, getting judged on cameo appearances and the odd full match away at Chelsea. He needs game time with a suitable formation and supply to him. He's out of form and regaining his form isn't 100% in his control clearly. Anyone calling him shit is daft. It happens. Look at the likes of Michael Ricketts Berahino has done NOTHING for two years It's a bit like Chris Smalls in Mike Bassett except there's no end in sight here, he's missed a pen amongst other golden chances. He's just not up to it
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2017 22:53:35 GMT
I thought Berahino looked fit, fast and skilful today, definitely worth giving him a run.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 30, 2017 22:54:58 GMT
Anyone who thinks Berahino is shit knows nowt. Do you really think the lad flukes his way through years of scouting,representing England from under 16 to under 21 level in the process. Breaks into the senior level and scores 20 goals for a premier league team. But then joins Stoke and miraculously becomes shit? His problem is confidence and tactics. And he doesn't just need any old game time, getting judged on cameo appearances and the odd full match away at Chelsea. He needs game time with a suitable formation and supply to him. He's out of form and regaining his form isn't 100% in his control clearly. Anyone calling him shit is daft. It happens. Look at the likes of Michael Ricketts Berahino has done NOTHING for two years It's a bit like Chris Smalls in Mike Bassett except there's no end in sight here, he's missed a pen amongst other golden chances. He's just not up to it Exactly, he may have showed promise and been a decent player but what I see with my own eyes tells me he is currently far below the required level for a Prem striker
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Post by wazbagsbro on Dec 30, 2017 23:00:10 GMT
MOTD just showed clear examples of our midfield not spotting his excellent runs ,he is a quality player with no confidence or help from teammates
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 30, 2017 23:00:42 GMT
I missed the match today, but MotD highlighted a few decent runs/positions from Berahino - a couple where he was ignored by Fletcher I think. I'd like to see him start against Coventry.
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Post by miggoscfc on Dec 30, 2017 23:11:04 GMT
Who mentioned "great"? There were several times when he was working the defensive line trying to time his run awaiting the ball over the top that never came. Cameron was the biggest culprit. He missed several opportunities to release Berahino over the top. Running from behind a defender is not always a bad thing. The biggest myth on the Oatcake is Berahino ‘ makes great runs’. He just fucking doesn’t Well MOTD just proved you wrong.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 30, 2017 23:13:56 GMT
The Berahino Apologists are out in force again I see. He got another 90 minutes and missed another one-on-one. Dont care about the opposition being Chelsea, the guy could play for another 2,000 minutes and will never score a goal without it being a total fluke Did you watch the game or just that one chance he had, he held the ball up well when he got the chance, I'm really not sure what some people expect, maybe they'd rather a bean pole up front that struggles to put one foot in front of the other, you'll get your wish on monday no doubt.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2017 23:14:03 GMT
The biggest myth on the Oatcake is Berahino ‘ makes great runs’. He just fucking doesn’t Well MOTD just proved you wrong. Why are you surprised? This is a guy who criticises a bloke for no movement yet extols the virtues of crouch. Berahino was one of very few positives today and he should start on Monday with Shaqiri, choupo and Charlie Adam all involved alongside him. I thought he played well today and said as much in the match day thread.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 30, 2017 23:15:14 GMT
Who mentioned "great"? There were several times when he was working the defensive line trying to time his run awaiting the ball over the top that never came. Cameron was the biggest culprit. He missed several opportunities to release Berahino over the top. Running from behind a defender is not always a bad thing. The biggest myth on the Oatcake is Berahino ‘ makes great runs’. He just fucking doesn’t You had your eyes closed then.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 30, 2017 23:16:24 GMT
MOTD just showed clear examples of our midfield not spotting his excellent runs ,he is a quality player with no confidence or help from teammates There will soon be people on here trying to claim something else, sometimes some fans just don't like a player that or they know jack shit.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 30, 2017 23:18:24 GMT
I'm not going to post the video of his career goals to date yet again.
But clearly this is a naturally gifted player. He has superb technique and he is a natural goalscorer.
His confidence is shot but this season whenever he has played he has shown an excellent touch and his movement is top notch.
But he needs two things
1. Faith from his manager 2. To be played in a system which suits him, I.e with a striker up top alongside him to create a bit if space.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 23:19:15 GMT
Who mentioned "great"? There were several times when he was working the defensive line trying to time his run awaiting the ball over the top that never came. Cameron was the biggest culprit. He missed several opportunities to release Berahino over the top. Running from behind a defender is not always a bad thing. The biggest myth on the Oatcake is Berahino ‘ makes great runs’. He just fucking doesn’t I'm embarrassed for you
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Post by superleft on Dec 30, 2017 23:21:55 GMT
It happens. Look at the likes of Michael Ricketts Berahino has done NOTHING for two years It's a bit like Chris Smalls in Mike Bassett except there's no end in sight here, he's missed a pen amongst other golden chances. He's just not up to it Exactly, he may have showed promise and been a decent player but what I see with my own eyes tells me he is currently far below the required level for a Prem striker The key word there being 'currently' He isn't fundamentally shit otherwise he wouldn't be where he is. Equally what you see with your own eyes includes how his teammates assist him. It's a team game to state the obvious. He can't do it on his own, and if he could every so often he wouldn't be at stoke anyway.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2017 23:26:19 GMT
I'm not going to post the video of his career goals to date yet again. But clearly this is a naturally gifted player. He has superb technique and he is a natural goalscorer. His confidence is shot but this season whenever he has played he has shown an excellent touch and his movement is top notch. But he needs two things 1. Faith from his manager 2. To be played in a system which suits him, I.e with a striker up top alongside him to create a bit if space. I agree whole heartedly with this. Hes not had many chances to play but when he has, hes been decent in my opinion and has certainly showed some quality.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 30, 2017 23:27:36 GMT
Exactly, he may have showed promise and been a decent player but what I see with my own eyes tells me he is currently far below the required level for a Prem striker The key word there being 'currently' He isn't fundamentally shit otherwise he wouldn't be where he is. Equally what you see with your own eyes includes how his teammates assist him. It's a team game to state the obvious. He can't do it on his own, and if he could every so often he wouldn't be at stoke anyway. Yes I agree, currently, however I don't buy this teammates letting him down line. Choupo has scored so are the team providing him with "preferential" service?
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