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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 26, 2017 19:38:42 GMT
We held it together, in every sense, today. We pushed forward and got a deserved result for it. God knows there are still issues and plenty of them but Sparky gets points from me for keeping up the momentum after West Brom and for the backbone we showed today.
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* if you were there please
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Post by salopstick on Dec 26, 2017 19:43:45 GMT
Away points and successive points are hard to come by in this league especially with our problems.
The point is all that matters. Chelsea may be a bonus game and get ready for Newcastle.
Substance over STyle it’s a good point.
It’s too late to rectify our poor start, the wrong formation and the injuries but these last two games have shown we have the character to salvage this season.
It wasn’t a game to keep the same team sheet and it wouldn’t have hurt to start bera or/and Adam.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 26, 2017 21:03:34 GMT
6*
Adam virtually pleading with his team mates to push up in the second half.
Tactics like that can only come from one man.
Why berahino can't get a game is beyond me and where was affelay?
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Post by lordb on Dec 26, 2017 21:06:19 GMT
6*
Line up was ok but not only did Huddersfield start the hungrier side but it took a half before Stoke upped the workrate to match.
That's just not on.
However they did up their efforts and the subs were good again.
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 26, 2017 21:14:01 GMT
5*.
Good team but he loses 2 points due to him playing Crouch and Fletcher again...
Pure stubbornness IMO not to play Berahino or at least give him 15 minute's.
First half was utter gash, we were terrible. Huddersfield just looked fitter than us. This puts Hughes at a 3 after the first half.
Second half was slightly! Better. Nothing else. They still had better chances to ultimately take the game away from us. Although, we played better and did show some balls and fight. So this puts Hughes at a 5. I still want him gone BTW.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 26, 2017 21:36:36 GMT
4 Hughes bottled it again, we could have gone for the win but he decided to keep faith with Fletcher and Crouch, the defence was a shambles for their goal, what the fuck is he doing in training? As the game went on we regressed deeper into our own half and were penned in for the last 20 minutes and looked like Hughes had settled for a point just like he did v Brighton. Huddersfield looked fitter, sharper, more determined and more attack minded, Stoke looked to be puffing out of their arses, laborious and happy to defend. There was a stage in the match where we couldn't string more than 2 passes together, it was again dreadful to watch, almost desperation football and Hughes seems like he's a desperate manager at the moment with little or no idea on how to turn things around and it’s like a poor man’s Pulisball without the personal to carry it out. Gouranga.  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 26, 2017 23:03:39 GMT
2, lumping it to crouch isn't working, he isn't more than someone to lump it to, one bit of quality saved Hughes today, subs as ever weren't great, only one team wanted to win it at the end but we got a point away.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 23:06:16 GMT
5*.
Negatives:
-Started the same team as last week literally just because it won. No attempt to fix the problems we had last week.
-Taking off Shaqiri.
-Fletcher.
-Crouch.
-Sat back at 1-1 against fucking Huddersfield. Bottled it for the 5000th time this season. I don't understand why he and the players are so scared of attacking.
Positives:
-Edwards.
-Adam was better than Fletcher.
-We scraped an undeserved point.
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Post by fca47 on Dec 27, 2017 0:33:55 GMT
5 - at least we only conceded 1. He deserves a medal if he keeps us up with this squad, but deserves the sack for the state he has got the squad in.
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 27, 2017 2:14:45 GMT
Genuinely surprised Salop and I are the only highish scores today. I still think it was a better job of management than a lot of these numbers, considering what a big job of turning it round Leslie has in front of him.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 27, 2017 3:58:16 GMT
a 2 maybe? He wore a nice tie, there's one point. He played Cameron in the midfield, there's the other point.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 27, 2017 7:43:31 GMT
Genuinely surprised Salop and I are the only highish scores today. I still think it was a better job of management than a lot of these numbers, considering what a big job of turning it round Leslie has in front of him. If we didn't score would you still think he managed the game well? I ask because he still won't drop those under performing, I get that we don't have much in terms of back up but he isn't even trying to change it and find a solution re the personnel, and to take Shaq off regardless of a poor game seems a bad decision to me, he's the only player we have that can suddenly create that bit of magic. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 27, 2017 8:23:57 GMT
6* He deserves credit.for the point but we were insipid for large parts of the first half and had they should have scored more than one .
Decent improvement in the second half but we still look a poor side and once again their energy levels were much higher than ours .
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 27, 2017 12:14:55 GMT
a 2 maybe? He wore a nice tie, there's one point. He played Cameron in the midfield, there's the other point. Is that the hard tackling athletic Cameron? The one who gave away the goal? Pathetic attempt at a tackle on the sidelineand then even worse on the goal line. Micky Bernard will be laughing is bollocks off at those 'tackles' |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 27, 2017 12:37:36 GMT
2, lumping it to crouch isn't working, he isn't more than someone to lump it to, one bit of quality saved Hughes today, subs as ever weren't great, only one team wanted to win it at the end but we got a point away. Funny how people see games differently. I thought the subs were pretty much spot on. The enforced sub for Shawcross brough Cameron into the back 4 and Ramadan onto the left of the front 3. I thought that improved both our defending on the right and at cb and it moved Shaq into the centre which I still think suits him better - although he still isn't close to the quality he was showing at the start of the season. Adam for Fletcher improved the midfield and Diouf brought some pace to the attack and gave us someone who can read Crouch's flicks and (in my opinion) we were denied a clear penalty for a trip on Diouf. Our equaliser was scored by one sub and another (Diouf) played a vital part in the build up. For me Hughes gets a 7*. Not always pretty but we secured a decent point against a team who have only lost 3 times at home (and all to top six sides). My biggest bitch was our repeated failure to put a player out by the half way line when we defended corners. That would have pushed a couple of their players back up the pitch and given us a better chance of hitting the Terriers on the break and given us a better chance of an out ball when we felt we had to hoof it out of the penalty area. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 27, 2017 12:52:31 GMT
a 2 maybe? He wore a nice tie, there's one point. He played Cameron in the midfield, there's the other point. Is that the hard tackling athletic Cameron? The one who gave away the goal? Pathetic attempt at a tackle on the sidelineand then even worse on the goal line. Micky Bernard will be laughing is bollocks off at those 'tackles' TBF to Cameron he wasn't the only one in the comedy of errors, once Cameron had missed the tackle on the wing Zouma had an opportunity to put a tackle in and gave up, Cameron tracked back and was nut-megged as was Shawcross and then the ball went through Butlands hands for the goal, there were at least 5 chances to stop the goal but we were so scared or reluctant to put a tackle in it was almost pathetic. I will repeat what I have already posted - what the fuck are we doing in training? Gouranga. |
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 27, 2017 12:55:35 GMT
Is that the hard tackling athletic Cameron? The one who gave away the goal? Pathetic attempt at a tackle on the sidelineand then even worse on the goal line. Micky Bernard will be laughing is bollocks off at those 'tackles' TBF to Cameron he wasn't the only one in the comedy of errors, once Cameron had missed the tackle on the wing Zouma had an opportunity to put a tackle in and gave up, Cameron tracked back and was nut-megged as was Shawcross and then the ball went through Butlands hands for the goal, there were at least 5 chances to stop the goal but we were so scared or reluctant to put a tackle in it was almost pathetic. I will repeat what I have already posted - what the fuck are we doing in training? Gouranga. None of which would have happened if Cameron had done his job. First time with Zouma, second time with the rest. Just imagine if that had been Wimmer or Fletcher!!!!!! |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2017 13:03:27 GMT
TBF to Cameron he wasn't the only one in the comedy of errors, once Cameron had missed the tackle on the wing Zouma had an opportunity to put a tackle in and gave up, Cameron tracked back and was nut-megged as was Shawcross and then the ball went through Butlands hands for the goal, there were at least 5 chances to stop the goal but we were so scared or reluctant to put a tackle in it was almost pathetic. I will repeat what I have already posted - what the fuck are we doing in training? Gouranga. None of which would have happened if Cameron had done his job. First time with Zouma, second time with the rest. Just imagine if that had been Wimmer or Fletcher!!!!!! Wimmer played a starring role in the diabolical attempted tackle stakes in fairness. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 27, 2017 13:06:25 GMT
Genuinely surprised Salop and I are the only highish scores today. I still think it was a better job of management than a lot of these numbers, considering what a big job of turning it round Leslie has in front of him. Sal, he's the one who's got us into this mess, he's signed the players, he's responsible for the team selection and tactics, he's the one who can change things when it isn't going right, he's the one who plays people out of position, he's the one who won't sub or drop players when they are clearly out of form or just not performing, he's the one where the buck stops and at the moment things are fucking awful. I can't remember the last match I was looking forward to going as it seems like he doesn't have a clue or he doesn't give a shit. We were hanging on for a draw yesterday it wasn't as though we were away to Manure or Citeh it was fucking Huddersfield and they were dictating the game. Hughes appears to think that because we have Crouch in the squad he can lump it up to him and we'll get the occasional goal, a type of poor man’s Pulisball and its dog shit. Waiting for the final whistle to blow so we can scrape a draw just like we did V Brighton v Burnley v Palace etc is even more dog shit management just like trying to play a system with wingbacks when we don't actually have a single wing back in the squad. I gave him a 4 yesterday but on reflection I think I was very generous. Gouranga. |
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Post by alster on Dec 27, 2017 13:06:48 GMT
a 2 maybe? He wore a nice tie, there's one point. He played Cameron in the midfield, there's the other point. Yeah he was still in midfield when his half arsed challenge lead to their goal. |
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Post by alster on Dec 27, 2017 13:07:52 GMT
a 2 maybe? He wore a nice tie, there's one point. He played Cameron in the midfield, there's the other point. Is that the hard tackling athletic Cameron? The one who gave away the goal? Pathetic attempt at a tackle on the sidelineand then even worse on the goal line. Micky Bernard will be laughing is bollocks off at those 'tackles' For once we agree. |
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 27, 2017 13:17:03 GMT
None of which would have happened if Cameron had done his job. First time with Zouma, second time with the rest. Just imagine if that had been Wimmer or Fletcher!!!!!! Wimmer played a starring role in the diabolical attempted tackle stakes in fairness. There you are exactly, 'Geoff' can make balls up after balls up , but still its Wimmer. My 2 year old grandson is tougher than Cameron. |
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Post by alster on Dec 27, 2017 13:20:40 GMT
Is that the hard tackling athletic Cameron? The one who gave away the goal? Pathetic attempt at a tackle on the sidelineand then even worse on the goal line. Micky Bernard will be laughing is bollocks off at those 'tackles' TBF to Cameron he wasn't the only one in the comedy of errors, once Cameron had missed the tackle on the wing Zouma had an opportunity to put a tackle in and gave up, Cameron tracked back and was nut-megged as was Shawcross and then the ball went through Butlands hands for the goal, there were at least 5 chances to stop the goal but we were so scared or reluctant to put a tackle in it was almost pathetic. I will repeat what I have already posted - what the fuck are we doing in training? Gouranga. Whilst your being fair to Cameron take a look at the build up to the penalty vs West Ham. Carbon copy of the pathetic challenge with exactly the same outcome. There's making mistakes and making the same mistake over and over. |
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 27, 2017 13:23:55 GMT
TBF to Cameron he wasn't the only one in the comedy of errors, once Cameron had missed the tackle on the wing Zouma had an opportunity to put a tackle in and gave up, Cameron tracked back and was nut-megged as was Shawcross and then the ball went through Butlands hands for the goal, there were at least 5 chances to stop the goal but we were so scared or reluctant to put a tackle in it was almost pathetic. I will repeat what I have already posted - what the fuck are we doing in training? Gouranga. Whilst your being fair to Cameron take a look at the build up to the penalty vs West Ham. Carbon copy of the pathetic challenge with exactly the same outcome. There's making mistakes and making the same mistake over and over. Dont disagree , but can you remember a full blooded tackle by Cameron?? I cant. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2017 13:26:51 GMT
Wimmer played a starring role in the diabolical attempted tackle stakes in fairness. There you are exactly, 'Geoff' can make balls up after balls up , but still its Wimmer. My 2 year old grandson is tougher than Cameron. Not at all. Cameron missed 3 tackles and was mainly culpable but wimmer challenge was equally pathetic. Cameron has never been a tough tackler. He's never tackled with his body and is a ball nicker rather than a ball winner. I'm surprised it's not cost us more often over the years in truth. |
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Post by stokeyank on Dec 27, 2017 13:27:14 GMT
a 2 maybe? He wore a nice tie, there's one point. He played Cameron in the midfield, there's the other point. Is that the hard tackling athletic Cameron? The one who gave away the goal? Pathetic attempt at a tackle on the sidelineand then even worse on the goal line. Micky Bernard will be laughing is bollocks off at those 'tackles' Interesting that Cameron was the only one to actually put in any sort of tackle on the goal and they just got a lucky bounce that it stayed with them. Meanwhile they danced past Wimmer, Shawcross was in the middle of no where and Fletcher did not stay with his mark. The only one who didn't give away the goal was Cameron. That said his tackles still were poor. |
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 27, 2017 13:28:27 GMT
Is that the hard tackling athletic Cameron? The one who gave away the goal? Pathetic attempt at a tackle on the sidelineand then even worse on the goal line. Micky Bernard will be laughing is bollocks off at those 'tackles' Interesting that Cameron was the only one to actually put in any sort of tackle on the goal and they just got a lucky bounce that it stayed with them. Meanwhile they danced past Wimmer, Shawcross was in the middle of no where and Fletcher did not stay with his mark. The only one who didn't give away the goal was Cameron. That said his tackles still were poor. Define 'Tackle', Cameron certainly didnt put one in. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 27, 2017 13:30:26 GMT
Whilst your being fair to Cameron take a look at the build up to the penalty vs West Ham. Carbon copy of the pathetic challenge with exactly the same outcome. There's making mistakes and making the same mistake over and over. Dont disagree , but can you remember a full blooded tackle by Cameron?? I cant. Hes never been a full bloodied tackler. Never. Its something bayern and i have banged on about for years. When criticising one particular woeful Cameron display, i seem to recall you producing stats from the game showing that he'd had the most interceptions in that particular game as evidence to slaughter us on a our opinion that Geoff, for all his physical attributes, is actually a bit of a fanny. |
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Post by alster on Dec 27, 2017 13:31:06 GMT
Is that the hard tackling athletic Cameron? The one who gave away the goal? Pathetic attempt at a tackle on the sidelineand then even worse on the goal line. Micky Bernard will be laughing is bollocks off at those 'tackles' Interesting that Cameron was the only one to actually put in any sort of tackle on the goal and they just got a lucky bounce that it stayed with them. Meanwhile they danced past Wimmer, Shawcross was in the middle of no where and Fletcher did not stay with his mark. The only one who didn't give away the goal was Cameron. That said his tackles still were poor. Unbelievable I'd watch a different sport this one is beyond you. |
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Post by alster on Dec 27, 2017 13:35:40 GMT
Whilst your being fair to Cameron take a look at the build up to the penalty vs West Ham. Carbon copy of the pathetic challenge with exactly the same outcome. There's making mistakes and making the same mistake over and over. Dont disagree , but can you remember a full blooded tackle by Cameron?? I cant. Don't think there's many full blooded tackles in the side full stop, that's why I wonder if as a team they're just instructed to be too nice. We're just not a side with any edge about us. Joe puts himself about but they're just gnat bites even Zouma seems less full blooded than he was when he came here. Perhaps they're trained to be pussies. |
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