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Post by senojbor on Dec 19, 2017 15:54:43 GMT
Stoke have no plans to approach anyone ever
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 19, 2017 15:55:29 GMT
I'm not so sure about 'done it with a stronger squad'.. I'd have to get me thinking cap/google on, but instinctively it's hard to judge until after the window {outs and ins.} And I'd say he's performed the safety{plus} job with a flimsier squad. Three seasons ago we were bottom three after xmas, facing Man Utd, beat them, pulled a run together finished 9th. Two seasons ago, after the LC semi we looked shot, rumours of a virus ripping through the camp etc. Went to Watford, beat them, a few results and hung on to ninth again. He has a track record of 'saving the day'/arresting poor runs with us, at least twice when we looked fucked last season. I'd say track record is far more reliable as a predictor than future projections. It's far from over, wouldn't be surprised if all this media fluff makes Coates even more resolute in his support of Hughes. Failure to dispatch Coventry, would kill it for me. May not be progress at the moment, but I wouldn't be pulling the plug just yet. I wouldn't say the post-LC form represented 'saving the day'. I also think we had more depth in that first season when we were in the bottom three in Feb. He could afford to drop Nzonzi for a couple of games and still grind out a couple of results. He could rotate the likes of Adam and Ireland, Assaidi and Arnie, Wingie and Walters. Limited to a point but enough between them to get the job done. Up for debate, but post LC, Jack and Ryan off the top of me head were out. N'Zonz had gone, if not Hughes, Imbula came in at xmas to save the day then!!!! I reckon our squad has looked worse than it does now, and we've done better.
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Post by alster on Dec 19, 2017 15:57:28 GMT
Unless we got the form from his last 20 West Brom games. Now stop trolling, there's a good a lad. How is that trolling Dave? I personally think he could get us out of trouble. On paper we have a better squad than west brom. We have no discipline and cant defend under Hughes. At least Tp would help us defensively, that's something you cant deny, regardless of your silly trolling agenda you have against me. That's because you're a silly troll.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Dec 19, 2017 15:58:09 GMT
There isn't a safe option Geoff. We're beyond safe options. The only safe option is Pulis In what way is he a safe option? He'll instantly cause fights in the stands. Also what happens to our best player (Shaqiri) if he comes in then? Stick him at left back? Give it a rest.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 15:58:24 GMT
How is that trolling Dave? I personally think he could get us out of trouble. On paper we have a better squad than west brom. We have no discipline and cant defend under Hughes. At least Tp would help us defensively, that's something you cant deny, regardless of your silly trolling agenda you have against me. That's because you're a silly troll. Great response.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 19, 2017 16:01:12 GMT
Stoke have no plans to approach anyone ever Coates is cogitating as we speak either that or he has nodded off with his mug of Horlicks by his side.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 19, 2017 16:05:10 GMT
Stoke have no plans to approach anyone ever Coates is cogitating as we speak either that or he has nodded off with his mug of Horlicks by his side. Wish you'd nod off with a mug of arsenic by your side, no offence meant.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 19, 2017 16:07:37 GMT
Coates is cogitating as we speak either that or he has nodded off with his mug of Horlicks by his side. Wish you'd nod off with a mug of arsenic by your side, no offence meant. you nasty little Vale fan you
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Post by alster on Dec 19, 2017 16:16:06 GMT
That's because you're a silly troll. Great response. No trouble I can see the funny side, great avatar makes me want to smash the screen everytime I see it.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 16:19:04 GMT
Great response. No trouble I can see the funny side, great avatar makes me want to smash the screen everytime I see it. I bet you're one of those that wouldn't say anything to someone's face in the ground should you disagree with them but you'd happily say it on a forum
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 16:22:55 GMT
When a malaise sets in the way it has, persisting with the person responsible for it doesn't seem particularly safe to me Geoff. It seems like ignoring the iceberg. The point is though rob I'm giving my opinion on the best option for me, you are simply deriding those options put forward by others whilst sitting on the fence yourself, anyone can do that. I've put forward plenty of my own options Geoff - feel free to go back and look. You yourself have derided any option that isn't sticking with Hughes, despite not having the first clue about what's going wrong with the team. Your reaction to every situation like this from Stoke under Pulis, to England, to anyone else, has uniformly been 'stick with the manager'.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 16:24:18 GMT
I wouldn't say the post-LC form represented 'saving the day'. I also think we had more depth in that first season when we were in the bottom three in Feb. He could afford to drop Nzonzi for a couple of games and still grind out a couple of results. He could rotate the likes of Adam and Ireland, Assaidi and Arnie, Wingie and Walters. Limited to a point but enough between them to get the job done. Up for debate, but post LC, Jack and Ryan off the top of me head were out. N'Zonz had gone, if not Hughes, Imbula came in at xmas to save the day then!!!! I reckon our squad has looked worse than it does now, and we've done better. My point wasn't so much with the squad, Cheesy, as the fact that we were shite throughout that run. We scraped enough points unconvincingly against the relegation fodder to hang on to 9th.
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Post by alster on Dec 19, 2017 16:28:31 GMT
No trouble I can see the funny side, great avatar makes me want to smash the screen everytime I see it. I bet you're one of those that wouldn't say anything to someone's face in the ground should you disagree with them but you'd happily say it on a forum Say it how I see it no matter where I am or who I'm talking to. Obviously I hear things in the ground I disagree with in peoples conversations that are fuck all to do with me, would I butt in and put them straight, no I wouldn't and if someone behaved in that way to me they'd be told to fuck right off. Nearly 30,000 people there why would they all agree with me?
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Post by AstroTom on Dec 19, 2017 16:28:45 GMT
Some of you are embarrassing.
'I'd rather be relegated under Hughes than survive under Pulis' 'If Pulis came back I'd go support Arsenal'
You're a disgrace. No matter whether you are for Pulis or against Pulis, you get behind the team through good, through bad, and through ugly. It doesn't matter who is in charge. The fan in you, should support Stoke City as a club no matter what.
To those wishing relegation on the club, and turning your back on the club in times of need, hang your heads in shame. You're not real fans and the club does not need you.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 16:31:01 GMT
I bet you're one of those that wouldn't say anything to someone's face in the ground should you disagree with them but you'd happily say it on a forum Say it how I see it no matter where I am or who I'm talking to. Obviously I hear things in the ground I disagree with in peoples conversations that are fuck all to do with me, would I butt in and put them straight, no I wouldn't and if someone behaved in that way to me they'd be told to fuck right off. Nearly 30,000 people there why would they all agree with me? Did you agree with the chanting of Hughes out on Saturday?
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 19, 2017 16:33:15 GMT
Whoever comes in now they are starting from scratch because there is no platform to build on. Could be argued the only reason Hughes got as far as he did was thanks to TPs core of players. And the organisation & resilience Pulis drilled into the defence . This has slowly leaked away along with the fitness and fighting spirit .
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 19, 2017 16:37:20 GMT
The point is though rob I'm giving my opinion on the best option for me, you are simply deriding those options put forward by others whilst sitting on the fence yourself, anyone can do that. I've put forward plenty of my own options Geoff - feel free to go back and look. You yourself have derided any option that isn't sticking with Hughes, despite not having the first clue about what's going wrong with the team. Your reaction to every situation like this from Stoke under Pulis, to England, to anyone else, has uniformly been 'stick with the manager'. Do you want Hughes to stay for the rest of the season. Do you want Hughes to stay for a few games more? Do you want Hughes sacked immediately? If so who would you like to succeed him? We can all be wise in hindsight rob, no doubt if the club appoints a new manager and it goes wrong you will telling us what the club should have done.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 19, 2017 16:38:00 GMT
Up for debate, but post LC, Jack and Ryan off the top of me head were out. N'Zonz had gone, if not Hughes, Imbula came in at xmas to save the day then!!!! I reckon our squad has looked worse than it does now, and we've done better. My point wasn't so much with the squad, Cheesy, as the fact that we were shite throughout that run. We scraped enough points unconvincingly against the relegation fodder to hang on to 9th. Can't exactly remember the run in off top of me head that season. Didn't we draw with Chelsea, beat Newcastle (r), Villa {r}, Watford, Southampton?.. I won't look it up, no use being snobby about victories. I thought your point was that there was nothing to suggest things will change, especially given the resources at his disposal. I'm saying there's plenty of evidence, season on season that we've been in worse positions, with a lesser squad. And he's kept us up plus.
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Post by alster on Dec 19, 2017 16:40:05 GMT
Say it how I see it no matter where I am or who I'm talking to. Obviously I hear things in the ground I disagree with in peoples conversations that are fuck all to do with me, would I butt in and put them straight, no I wouldn't and if someone behaved in that way to me they'd be told to fuck right off. Nearly 30,000 people there why would they all agree with me? Did you agree with the chanting of Hughes out on Saturday? It didn't happen whilst I was there, I left when the second went in but yes I would have agreed with it, I've been posting he needs to be sacked for over a year but that's not to say I'd have taken part in it. Its just not me. I applaud good play shout a bit if a particular incident gets me angry thats it no singing, no baiting Arnie or anyone else, no protests I go to watch football plain and simple.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 16:40:50 GMT
I've put forward plenty of my own options Geoff - feel free to go back and look. You yourself have derided any option that isn't sticking with Hughes, despite not having the first clue about what's going wrong with the team. Your reaction to every situation like this from Stoke under Pulis, to England, to anyone else, has uniformly been 'stick with the manager'. Do you want Hughes to stay for the rest of the season. Do you want Hughes to stay for a few games more? Do you want Hughes sacked immediately? If so who would you like to succeed him? We can all be wise in hindsight rob, no doubt if the club appoints a new manager and it goes wrong you will telling us what the club should have done. No, I think he should probably go. I think so, yes. Roger Schmidt or Christophe Galtier Again Geoff, do you think there's ever a set of circumstances where a manager should be sacked? Because you never seem to advocate that under any circumstances?
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Post by AstroTom on Dec 19, 2017 16:42:11 GMT
Did you agree with the chanting of Hughes out on Saturday? It didn't happen whilst I was there, I left when the second went in but yes I would have agreed with it, I've been posting he needs to be sacked for over a year but that's not to say I'd have taken part in it. Its just not me. I applaud good play shout a bit if a particular incident gets me angry thats it no singing, no baiting Arnie or anyone else, no protests I go to watch football plain and simple.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 16:43:23 GMT
Did you agree with the chanting of Hughes out on Saturday? It didn't happen whilst I was there, I left when the second went in but yes I would have agreed with it, I've been posting he needs to be sacked for over a year but that's not to say I'd have taken part in it. Its just not me. I applaud good play shout a bit if a particular incident gets me angry thats it no singing, no baiting Arnie or anyone else, no protests I go to watch football plain and simple. I don't quite understand you. if you are unhappy with Hughes and you'd chant Hughes out, why would you not give arnie dogs abuse after the little twat showed his unprofessional and out right disrespect to us?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 16:44:33 GMT
My point wasn't so much with the squad, Cheesy, as the fact that we were shite throughout that run. We scraped enough points unconvincingly against the relegation fodder to hang on to 9th. Can't exactly remember the run in off top of me head that season. Didn't we draw with Chelsea, beat Newcastle (r), Villa {r}, Watford, Southampton?.. I won't look it up, no use being snobby about victories. I thought your point was that there was nothing to suggest things will change, especially given the resources at his disposal. I'm saying there's plenty of evidence, season on season that we've been in worse positions, with a lesser squad. And he's kept us up plus. I don't agree we've been in worse positions with a lesser squad. I don't think there is evidence to suggest that. We've never had the lack of cover in central midfield in recent times that we've got now. Full back options are worse than they've ever been in the Prem.
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2017 16:44:44 GMT
No trouble I can see the funny side, great avatar makes me want to smash the screen everytime I see it. I bet you're one of those that wouldn't say anything to someone's face in the ground should you disagree with them but you'd happily say it on a forum Says the man who was glad he wasn't on the train back to Stoke with the players the other week. I'd pay good money to see you confront Jack Butland and Ryan Shawcross.
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Post by Block 22 on Dec 19, 2017 16:46:28 GMT
Some of you are embarrassing. 'I'd rather be relegated under Hughes than survive under Pulis' 'If Pulis came back I'd go support Arsenal' You're a disgrace. No matter whether you are for Pulis or against Pulis, you get behind the team through good, through bad, and through ugly. It doesn't matter who is in charge. The fan in you, should support Stoke City as a club no matter what. To those wishing relegation on the club, and turning your back on the club in times of need, hang your heads in shame. You're not real fans and the club does not need you. Or maybe some people actually love football, as in the game of football, the sport, as it started out before it became a business. These people might actually want us to play good attacking football and think we deserve better than Pulis. What’s the problem? Pulis is on of the most corrupt buffoons on the planet. If you want that clown anywhere near our club then I question whether you actually love Stoke City and football or you just go to Stoke for a day out.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 19, 2017 16:47:45 GMT
Whoever comes in now they are starting from scratch because there is no platform to build on. Could be argued the only reason Hughes got as far as he did was thanks to TPs core of players. And the organisation & resilience Pulis drilled into the defence . This has slowly leaked away along with the fitness and fighting spirit . The same organisation, fitness and fighting spirit that Pulis' squad showed in his last half season with us? We gained 13 points from 18 games and managed just 3 scrawny wins against Reading, QPR and Norwich. Worse than Hughes' team of bottlers has so far this season. This 'Pulis teams always give 100% and are hard to beat' is a myth. They were sometimes. Not always.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 16:48:05 GMT
I bet you're one of those that wouldn't say anything to someone's face in the ground should you disagree with them but you'd happily say it on a forum Says the man who was glad he wasn't on the train back to Stoke with the players. I'd pay good money to see you confront Jack Butland and Ryan Shawcross. Yes, because i would of confronted them like a few people did Dave, maybe you Mis-read what i put. In fact i was that angry i would of probably said something i would of regretted, hence for being happy i wasn't on the train back with them. I would happily confront anyone, where needed, i don't think Butland and Shawcross deserve confronting though, i was more on about Kevin Wimmer when i wrote that post, who decided to give up half way through the game.
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Post by AstroTom on Dec 19, 2017 16:48:29 GMT
Some of you are embarrassing. 'I'd rather be relegated under Hughes than survive under Pulis' 'If Pulis came back I'd go support Arsenal' You're a disgrace. No matter whether you are for Pulis or against Pulis, you get behind the team through good, through bad, and through ugly. It doesn't matter who is in charge. The fan in you, should support Stoke City as a club no matter what. To those wishing relegation on the club, and turning your back on the club in times of need, hang your heads in shame. You're not real fans and the club does not need you. Or maybe some people actually love football, as in the game of football, the sport, as it started out before it became a business. These people might actually want us to play good attacking football and think we deserve better than Pulis. What’s the problem? Pulis is on of the most corrupt buffoons on the planet. If you want that clown anywhere near our club then I question whether you actually love Stoke City and football or you just go to Stoke for a day out. I never pledged allegiance to or against Pulis. Read my post again, carefully though this time. It doesn't matter who is in charge, real fans get behind the team no matter what.
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Post by AstroTom on Dec 19, 2017 16:54:00 GMT
Some of you are embarrassing. 'I'd rather be relegated under Hughes than survive under Pulis' 'If Pulis came back I'd go support Arsenal' You're a disgrace. No matter whether you are for Pulis or against Pulis, you get behind the team through good, through bad, and through ugly. It doesn't matter who is in charge. The fan in you, should support Stoke City as a club no matter what. To those wishing relegation on the club, and turning your back on the club in times of need, hang your heads in shame. You're not real fans and the club does not need you. Or maybe some people actually love football, as in the game of football, the sport, as it started out before it became a business. These people might actually want us to play good attacking football and think we deserve better than Pulis. What’s the problem? Pulis is on of the most corrupt buffoons on the planet. If you want that clown anywhere near our club then I question whether you actually love Stoke City and football or you just go to Stoke for a day out. Also, you're going to honestly sit there and defend 'fans' who say that if a certain manager is employed, they would stop supporting the club, or they would want us to be relegated? You're defending this? If that is the case and you're defending those people, "then I question whether you actually love Stoke City and football or you just go to Stoke for a day out."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 16:55:40 GMT
The more I think about Pulis coming back the more I think it’s a lose lose situation. If he comes back and does well at first, it’s not long before it reverts to type and we’re all left wondering if regular 13th / 14th place finishes (probably at best nowadays sadly) are really worth the pain of seeing your team defend a 1-0 defeat to the West Ham’s of the world to try and stay in the game until the 70th odd minute. If he comes back and does badly at first the atmosphere would be as bad as it is possible to be. I can only imagine Sunderland over the last season and a bit being any worse. As much as Hughes seems to be far too big a risk to keep at the moment, he’s at least shown that we are capable of staying up (even finishing in the top half )with a few fair players at the club over his last 4 and a bit seasons. And if we can’t find a manager in the whole of world football who’d be able to keep this squad up and build on it next year and who’d jump at the opportunity given the money on offer in the Premier League then there isn’t really a suitable adjective to sum up the board. Personally I think the club is ran a whole lot better than it’s given credit for, and I’m quietly optimistic they are looking for a suitable alternative rather than firing Hughes then panicking about the next manager. Painful for the short term but much better over the long term. If my optimism is mis places however then they’re going to deserve every bit of fury that comes their way at the end of the season
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