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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 14:04:35 GMT
So we should forget three ninth place finishes ? Haha you can interpret my words however you like. I think you know exactly what i mean. The future, a fresh face with fresh ideas. It has nothing to do with league positions or historical stats. I mean what football club in their right mind would re-employ a bloke they have got rid of twice. I agree with you we do need a fresh face, fresh ideas, new tactics etc etc. But there isn't IMO anyone that stands out massively. Hughes has to go, that's been established. TP would do a job in keeping us up. That's it.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Dec 19, 2017 14:09:07 GMT
Haha you can interpret my words however you like. I think you know exactly what i mean. The future, a fresh face with fresh ideas. It has nothing to do with league positions or historical stats. I mean what football club in their right mind would re-employ a bloke they have got rid of twice. I agree with you we do need a fresh face, fresh ideas, new tactics etc etc. But there isn't IMO anyone that stands out massively. Hughes has to go, that's been established. TP would do a job in keeping us up. That's it. I think it's going to be difficult for us to stay up regardless. Relegation is in the air unless attitudes improve in every aspect of the club. We'll see what happens. It's a mess. That's for sure
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Dec 19, 2017 14:10:30 GMT
It would be an odd thing for him to put his name from if it came from nowhere. It's just generally not a very healthy sign that you've got contradictory rumour swirling around the club like this. It might not have originated at SCFC. The journo might have bumped into TP ... Journo: "Hey up Tone, there seems to be a bit of specualation around that a third stint at Stoke might be on the horizon for you, would you actually be interested?" TP: "Well it'd certainly be emotional if I did." Journo: "Has there actually been any contact Tony." TP: "Well you'll just have to wait and see but I'd be a liar if I said that Peter and I haven't spoken recently." Journo thinks he has enough for a story. Paul Spencer thinks he knows how journalists work.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 14:12:22 GMT
So you're preparing the groundwork for it to be the fans' fault if Hughes goes are you Geoff? How many more defeats would it take for him to take any responsibility for this? You said a while back if he lost the next five Coates will can him. We're three into that run now... If he loses Saturday he would still need 24 points from 19 games to keep the club up, he's done that before. If Hughes is sacked that's the responsiblity of the board, not the fans. He's had a stronger squad when he's done that before. There has been nothing whatsoever to suggest anything's going to change.
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Post by maliciousdamage on Dec 19, 2017 14:13:41 GMT
What’s evidently clear from Saturday at the ground, radio phone ins and this board is that people are now wanting:
A) a change of manager B) not a Pulis return - majority vote C) a manager who can shape a squad and play decent attacking football D) something doing quickly this side of Christmas
It’s evident that whatever the board at SCFC might think Mark Hughes is incapable of turning this around in the long term win lose or draw this Saturday.
Trying to scrape to the end of the season is a very dangerous game to play in the Premier league so is trying to do it with loans and freebies
If the board are not committed enough or brave enough to act on the above points then they need to take a long hard look at themselves because all the money they’ve invested in the ground and on enticing the younger generation to matches will sadly be for nothing ☹️
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 14:16:23 GMT
What’s evidently clear from Saturday at the ground, radio phone ins and this board is that people are now wanting: A) a change of manager B) not a Pulis return - majority vote C) a manager who can shape a squad and play decent attacking football D) something doing quickly this side of Christmas It’s evident that whatever the board at SCFC might think Mark Hughes is incapable of turning this around in the long term win lose or draw this Saturday. Trying to scrape to the end of the season is a very dangerous game to play in the Premier league so is trying to do it with loans and freebies If the board are not committed enough or brave enough to act on the above points then they need to take a long hard look at themselves because all the money they’ve invested in the ground and on enticing the younger generation to matches will sadly be for nothing ☹️ So in a nutshell. Get a young manager in with fresh ideas. In the January transfer window give him 100 Million to spend.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 19, 2017 14:17:59 GMT
If he loses Saturday he would still need 24 points from 19 games to keep the club up, he's done that before. If Hughes is sacked that's the responsiblity of the board, not the fans. He's had a stronger squad when he's done that before. There has been nothing whatsoever to suggest anything's going to change. The alternative appears to be Pulis or an unknown replacement, is that what you regard as a safe option?
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Post by jwhpotter on Dec 19, 2017 14:28:48 GMT
Rob Dorset on SSN stoke have no plans to contact tony pulis There is a god Until we lose Saturday, then plans will change
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Post by BuzzB on Dec 19, 2017 14:33:05 GMT
My God, the rimmers actually do believe that this is happening based on absolutely sweet fa! A dropped unsubstantiated word from Jim on TS and a made up article from the Sun has them wetting themselves. Unbelievable. Why anyone would go back there based on losing a cup final defaulting into an abortive (by the man himself) trip to Europe. Even baggies fans phoned into TS to explain why he is hated so much.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 19, 2017 14:38:22 GMT
My God, the rimmers actually do believe that this is happening based on absolutely sweet fa! A dropped unsubstantiated word from Jim on TS and a made up article from the Sun has them wetting themselves. Unbelievable. Why anyone would go back there based on losing a cup final defaulting into an abortive (by the man himself) trip to Europe. Even baggies fans phoned into TS to explain why he is hated so much. I don't think Pulis is a viable option, but you're almost certainly wrong if you think Coates won't have considered this.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 14:44:18 GMT
He's had a stronger squad when he's done that before. There has been nothing whatsoever to suggest anything's going to change. The alternative appears to be Pulis or an unknown replacement, is that what you regard as a safe option? There isn't a safe option Geoff. We're beyond safe options.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 19, 2017 14:46:21 GMT
My God, the rimmers actually do believe that this is happening based on absolutely sweet fa! A dropped unsubstantiated word from Jim on TS and a made up article from the Sun has them wetting themselves. Unbelievable. Why anyone would go back there based on losing a cup final defaulting into an abortive (by the man himself) trip to Europe. Even baggies fans phoned into TS to explain why he is hated so much. The Sun and Talksport are owned by the same company, so the fact that it's been on/in both doesn't mean anything. I suspect that Talksport are given topics to be discussed partly based on articles published in their owner's portfolio. The Sun make a non-story up, Talksport run with it. Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there who hang on every word the press say.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 19, 2017 14:47:12 GMT
The alternative appears to be Pulis or an unknown replacement, is that what you regard as a safe option? There isn't a safe option Geoff. We're beyond safe options. Indeed rob, but I did use the word safest.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 14:51:43 GMT
The alternative appears to be Pulis or an unknown replacement, is that what you regard as a safe option? There isn't a safe option Geoff. We're beyond safe options. The only safe option is Pulis
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 15:03:26 GMT
What’s evidently clear from Saturday at the ground, radio phone ins and this board is that people are now wanting: A) a change of manager B) not a Pulis return - majority vote C) a manager who can shape a squad and play decent attacking football D) something doing quickly this side of Christmas It’s evident that whatever the board at SCFC might think Mark Hughes is incapable of turning this around in the long term win lose or draw this Saturday. Trying to scrape to the end of the season is a very dangerous game to play in the Premier league so is trying to do it with loans and freebies If the board are not committed enough or brave enough to act on the above points then they need to take a long hard look at themselves because all the money they’ve invested in the ground and on enticing the younger generation to matches will sadly be for nothing ☹️ So in a nutshell. Get a young manager in with fresh ideas. In the January transfer window give him 100 Million to spend. Throwing money at the problem rarely fixes it, and £100m isn’t a lot in this day and age - that gets you a couple of Sigurdssons (if anyone of that calibre can be convinced to join us). I also don’t think Coates will allow any manager that kind of cash. It’s a gamble now whatever we do but I still think Hughes will stay until the season is out and we will stay up. I’d like to see a change as it’s very stale under Hughes as it was under TP’s latter years. The bearpit is long gone though and whoever comes in it will be the same, only a relegation and time away from the top flight followed by a promotion will bring that kind of excitement back.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 15:13:33 GMT
So in a nutshell. Get a young manager in with fresh ideas. In the January transfer window give him 100 Million to spend. Throwing money at the problem rarely fixes it, and £100m isn’t a lot in this day and age - that gets you a couple of Sigurdssons (if anyone of that calibre can be convinced to join us). I also don’t think Coates will allow any manager that kind of cash. It’s a gamble now whatever we do but I still think Hughes will stay until the season is out and we will stay up. I’d like to see a change as it’s very stale under Hughes as it was under TP’s latter years. The bearpit is long gone though and whoever comes in it will be the same, only a relegation and time away from the top flight followed by a promotion will bring that kind of excitement back. I agree with the latter. But 100M should be enough to sort out our striker, central midfield and full back problems out.
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Post by Davef on Dec 19, 2017 15:15:52 GMT
There isn't a safe option Geoff. We're beyond safe options. The only safe option is Pulis Unless we got the form from his last 20 West Brom games. Now stop trolling, there's a good a lad.
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Post by thegift on Dec 19, 2017 15:19:36 GMT
The only safe option is Pulis Unless we got the form from his last 20 West Brom games. Now stop trolling, there's a good a lad. How is that trolling Dave? I personally think he could get us out of trouble. On paper we have a better squad than west brom. We have no discipline and cant defend under Hughes. At least Tp would help us defensively, that's something you cant deny, regardless of your silly trolling agenda you have against me.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 19, 2017 15:19:52 GMT
There isn't a safe option Geoff. We're beyond safe options. The only safe option is Pulis Completely ignoring the spell he just had at West Brom for the past fucking what, 25 odd games?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 19, 2017 15:25:50 GMT
So we should forget three ninth place finishes ? Haha you can interpret my words however you like. I think you know exactly what i mean. The future, a fresh face with fresh ideas. It has nothing to do with league positions or historical stats. I mean what football club in their right mind would re-employ a bloke they have got rid of twice. Not sure Peter Coates is in his right mind tbh, I was only taking the piss out of the we'll be fine we have a manager who finished ninth three times posters, not acting in the summer has brought us to this mess.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 15:29:15 GMT
“There are no plans” Is that the same words pc used the week before we sold higgy Plans change in a heartbeat .....worryingly
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 19, 2017 15:35:07 GMT
If he loses Saturday he would still need 24 points from 19 games to keep the club up, he's done that before. If Hughes is sacked that's the responsiblity of the board, not the fans. He's had a stronger squad when he's done that before. There has been nothing whatsoever to suggest anything's going to change. I'm not so sure about 'done it with a stronger squad'.. I'd have to get me thinking cap/google on, but instinctively it's hard to judge until after the window {outs and ins.} And I'd say he's performed the safety{plus} job with a flimsier squad. Three seasons ago we were bottom three after xmas, facing Man Utd, beat them, pulled a run together finished 9th. Two seasons ago, after the LC semi we looked shot, rumours of a virus ripping through the camp etc. Went to Watford, beat them, a few results and hung on to ninth again. He has a track record of 'saving the day'/arresting poor runs with us, at least twice when we looked fucked last season. I'd say track record is far more reliable as a predictor than future projections. It's far from over, wouldn't be surprised if all this media fluff makes Coates even more resolute in his support of Hughes. Failure to dispatch Coventry, would kill it for me. May not be progress at the moment, but I wouldn't be pulling the plug just yet.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 15:41:24 GMT
There isn't a safe option Geoff. We're beyond safe options. Indeed rob, but I did use the word safest. When a malaise sets in the way it has, persisting with the person responsible for it doesn't seem particularly safe to me Geoff. It seems like ignoring the iceberg.
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 19, 2017 15:44:19 GMT
Rob from Dorset knows jack shit.
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Post by skip on Dec 19, 2017 15:45:03 GMT
There isn't a safe option Geoff. We're beyond safe options. The only safe option is Pulis How's he a safe option? WBA sacked him precisely because his mythical status as never relegated is going to go at some point... and you just know, you just know, if he comes back, it will happen to us. With him at the healm. And it will be an act of gross neglect on the part of the board if they allow this possibility to transpire. Do you really want Stoke's time in the Premier League bookended by 'the man who was never relegated finally relegated with the team that started the whole myth in the first place? Stoke City. Relegated under the management of Tony Pulis, the man they said could never be relegated.' I think I would seriously consider forgetting football altogether if that happened. Or, I would continue to love Stoke City but never trust those in charge of it ever again.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 19, 2017 15:45:19 GMT
He's had a stronger squad when he's done that before. There has been nothing whatsoever to suggest anything's going to change. I'm not so sure about 'done it with a stronger squad'.. I'd have to get me thinking cap/google on, but instinctively it's hard to judge until after the window {outs and ins.} And I'd say he's performed the safety{plus} job with a flimsier squad. Three seasons ago we were bottom three after xmas, facing Man Utd, beat them, pulled a run together finished 9th. Two seasons ago, after the LC semi we looked shot, rumours of a virus ripping through the camp etc. Went to Watford, beat them, a few results and hung on to ninth again. He has a track record of 'saving the day'/arresting poor runs with us, at least twice when we looked fucked last season. I'd say track record is far more reliable as a predictor than future projections. It's far from over, wouldn't be surprised if all this media fluff makes Coates even more resolute in his support of Hughes. Failure to dispatch Coventry, would kill it for me. May not be progress at the moment, but I wouldn't be pulling the plug just yet. I wouldn't say the post-LC form represented 'saving the day'. I also think we had more depth in that first season when we were in the bottom three in Feb. He could afford to drop Nzonzi for a couple of games and still grind out a couple of results. He could rotate the likes of Adam and Ireland, Assaidi and Arnie, Wingie and Walters. Limited to a point but enough between them to get the job done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 15:47:00 GMT
There isn't a safe option Geoff. We're beyond safe options. The only safe option is Pulis He’s never coming back, get used to it.
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Post by skip on Dec 19, 2017 15:50:18 GMT
The only safe option is Pulis He’s never coming back, get used to it. I'd take anyone, absolutely anyone, over Pulis. In fact. I like the idea of a real renegade, the spectacle of Stoke City rolling a grenade into the Premier League with the appointment of a never before seen type appointment. Anyone but Tony Fucking Pulis, the evidence down the tracksuit stuffing, passive aggressive teeth baring, cliche riddled Pulis. Weary disclaimer: Yes I know we had some good times under his tutorage.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 19, 2017 15:51:07 GMT
Indeed rob, but I did use the word safest. When a malaise sets in the way it has, persisting with the person responsible for it doesn't seem particularly safe to me Geoff. It seems like ignoring the iceberg. Iceberg what iceberg SS Stoke City steams forward, as Captain Hughes rests in his cabin.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 19, 2017 15:54:14 GMT
Indeed rob, but I did use the word safest. When a malaise sets in the way it has, persisting with the person responsible for it doesn't seem particularly safe to me Geoff. It seems like ignoring the iceberg. The point is though rob I'm giving my opinion on the best option for me, you are simply deriding those options put forward by others whilst sitting on the fence yourself, anyone can do that.
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