Why did our players give Arnie such an easy ride ?

[johnnysoul60]

They must know how to play against him , they did it in training for four years and even the mighty Wimmer trains with him for Austria , so why did none of them try to wind him up or put a challenge in all game . I cant think of any ex player who has had it so easy .

He did play well but even a could pf yellow card challenges might have wound him up a bit but it was as though none of them wanted to get stuck into him .

[adamsson]

Because they don't really care anymore and are just waiting for the new manager.

Or they are just crap.

[thegift]

Dec 18, 2017 10:42:17 GMT adamsson said:

Because they don't really care anymore and are just waiting for the new manager.

Or they are just crap.

I honestly think they don't give a fuck 

[kurt]

Dec 18, 2017 10:08:55 GMT johnnysoul60 said:

They must know how to play against him , they did it in training for four years and even the mighty Wimmer trains with him for Austria , so why did none of them try to wind him up or put a challenge in all game . I cant think of any ex player who has had it so easy .

He did play well but even a could pf yellow card challenges might have wound him up a bit but it was as though none of them wanted to get stuck into him .

If he is in the mood, we know that he could be nearly unstoppable. Arni had twice the pace in second half than every Stoke defender.

What i don´t understand is, that so many on this board are that hostile against Arni, cause "he should be more grateful" to the club - as Hughes shouted to him, which is really embarrssing for a manager.

For what should Arni be so grateful????

Should he be grateful his whole life and wasting his career, cause Stoke has signed him a long time ago??? 

Is there really a person, thinking Arni hadn´t offers from other good clubs 4 1/2 years ago??? 

The problem, why his carreer has been down at this time was simply that the years in Germany were wasted, cause he had  incompetent managers there, as Stoke has Mark Hughes currently.

Arni has realized that in summer and searched for a new challenge - more money as well - so what? - Everyone who critizices that or wouldn´t do the same, is a liar or an idiot.

Shouldn´t Stoke be grateful to had a player like Arni for four seasons, who played really well there and at the end the club earned a lot of money for him???

I can understand, that Stokies are disappointed with Arni´s leaving regarded emotionally, but examined, Arnautovic was a big win for Stoke City!!!!

The vicious enmity is massively exorbitant and has nothing to do with the reality - so nobody should complain about Arni´s reaction after the goal or substitution.

[harrysburrow]

When you are crap and scared shitless at the same time, things don't tend to go well do they?

[skip]

Arnie was on the verge of being yet another wasted talent. He came to Stoke as part of the Dogs Home Version 2.0 which has done wonders for him. We needed players of his calibre to put a collective shift in if we were to 'progress as a club' and/but as soon as a big money offer from a London club comes in, he can't wait to fuck off but as a parting shot has a go at Stoke City Football Club too. Of course West Ham will look more ambitious; they've been given a fucking huge stadium virtually for nothing, a captive audience ten times that of Stoke-on-Trent and surrounding areas, with a travel infrastructure making it a piece of piss to go the game without personal transport, it's That London, it's metropolitan, with a pay hike to match, with a member of the House of Lords sitting at the Director's table. People can take the piss out of the Dildo Twins all they like, but West Ham will always be a more attractive proposition, because of their location and connections. I'm just saddened that a player like Arnie fell for it. Of course, if our transfer policy had not have been so miserly, and if one or two of our other signings had have worked out, Imbula for one, maybe he wouldn't have felt the need to leave, but he did, but there was no need for the parting shot. That was the sound of an ungrateful fucker, and whilst Hughes' pitch side reaction wasn't the coolest response ever, I for one, don't blame him.

His leaving is a sideshow but it is also symptomatic of the type of loaded game Premier League football has become for teams outside of the top 6 or London itself.



edit: expanded post.

[Pretty Little Boother]

The best thing Wimmer could have done was get himself sent off by just crunching him.

[TrentValePotter96]

because most of them are still his mates

[clintonbaptiste]

Because they're a bunch of pussies nowadays?

[Deleted]

LOw on confidence due to the management team being clueless

[Deleted]

Well said, skip! Very, very true!

[johnnysoul60]

Dec 18, 2017 10:44:24 GMT kurt said:

Dec 18, 2017 10:08:55 GMT johnnysoul60 said:

They must know how to play against him , they did it in training for four years and even the mighty Wimmer trains with him for Austria , so why did none of them try to wind him up or put a challenge in all game . I cant think of any ex player who has had it so easy .

He did play well but even a could pf yellow card challenges might have wound him up a bit but it was as though none of them wanted to get stuck into him .

If he is in the mood, we know that he could be nearly unstoppable. Arni had twice the pace in second half than every Stoke defender.

What i don´t understand is, that so many on this board are that hostile against Arni, cause "he should be more grateful" to the club - as Hughes shouted to him, which is really embarrssing for a manager.

For what should Arni be so grateful????

Should he be grateful his whole life and wasting his career, cause Stoke has signed him a long time ago??? 

Is there really a person, thinking Arni hadn´t offers from other good clubs 4 1/2 years ago??? 

The problem, why his carreer has been down at this time was simply that the years in Germany were wasted, cause he had  incompetent managers there, as Stoke has Mark Hughes currently.

Arni has realized that in summer and searched for a new challenge - more money as well - so what? - Everyone who critizices that or wouldn´t do the same, is a liar or an idiot.

Shouldn´t Stoke be grateful to had a player like Arni for four seasons, who played really well there and at the end the club earned a lot of money for him???

I can understand, that Stokies are disappointed with Arni´s leaving regarded emotionally, but examined, Arnautovic was a big win for Stoke City!!!!

The vicious enmity is massively exorbitant and has nothing to do with the reality - so nobody should complain about Arni´s reaction after the goal or substitution.

To be fair he could have left better than he did and the club did a lot for him and probably had to make some allowances for his behaviour at times so he certainly owes Hughes and his team mates more respect .

The fans fair play , we gave him loads and he rammed it down our throats although the who0le Iron thing was unessecary

[metalhead]

Arnie acted like a shit house because he was allowed to act like a shit house. He walked around like he owned the place and despite all the misses, he still played well. I wanted someone to go through him. Nobody did.

Football is a different game these days. It's changed, even in the last 10 years. There's none of that Roy Keane going through Neil Pointon 'Welcome to Hell' stuff these days.

The best we could muster was throwing the ball at the back of Arnie's leg.... Awesome. Bet he pissed himself in the changing rooms laughing.

My only solace is that all the West Ham irons stuff is bollocks. Soon as a better opportunity comes up, he will fuck off, and they'll hate him too.

[althoughra]

Why should anyone want a footballer to get injured for God’s sake. It’s just a game and not that important in the fullness of time. So please let’s enjoy the game as such , and expect players to come and go, just as we join and leave our occupations

[kurt]

Dec 18, 2017 11:01:32 GMT johnnysoul60 said:

Dec 18, 2017 10:44:24 GMT kurt said:

If he is in the mood, we know that he could be nearly unstoppable. Arni had twice the pace in second half than every Stoke defender.

What i don´t understand is, that so many on this board are that hostile against Arni, cause "he should be more grateful" to the club - as Hughes shouted to him, which is really embarrssing for a manager.

For what should Arni be so grateful????

Should he be grateful his whole life and wasting his career, cause Stoke has signed him a long time ago??? 

Is there really a person, thinking Arni hadn´t offers from other good clubs 4 1/2 years ago??? 

The problem, why his carreer has been down at this time was simply that the years in Germany were wasted, cause he had  incompetent managers there, as Stoke has Mark Hughes currently.

Arni has realized that in summer and searched for a new challenge - more money as well - so what? - Everyone who critizices that or wouldn´t do the same, is a liar or an idiot.

Shouldn´t Stoke be grateful to had a player like Arni for four seasons, who played really well there and at the end the club earned a lot of money for him???

I can understand, that Stokies are disappointed with Arni´s leaving regarded emotionally, but examined, Arnautovic was a big win for Stoke City!!!!

The vicious enmity is massively exorbitant and has nothing to do with the reality - so nobody should complain about Arni´s reaction after the goal or substitution.

To be fair he could have left better than he did and the club did a lot for him and probably had to make some allowances for his behaviour at times so he certainly owes Hughes and his team mates more respect .

The fans fair play , we gave him loads and he rammed it down our throats although the who0le Iron thing was unessecary

...cause a prudent Stoke Fan should know, that Arni has been very happy at Stoke and he loved the people - he is also just a guy with emotions. If so many people would hate me and give me that abuse, cause i simply joined a new club, i would react like that too.... many of you as well. Stoke City boosted his career, no doubt, but Arni gave everything back to the club, he could....and that was quiet a lot. In Austria we have been very happy with his time at Stoke City (apart from the last year), and we loved to discuss his performance there every week, but absolute NOBODY of us can understand that immense abuse and hatred towards Marko.

[thegift]

Dec 18, 2017 10:48:38 GMT Pretty Little Boother said:

The best thing Wimmer could have done was get himself sent off by just crunching him.

He would of got my respect for that. The guy never put in a single tackle, in 90 minutes, from what i saw. 

[lawrieleslie]

Ron Atkinson was an advocate of "passing a player round" where each player in the team sticks in a hard yellow card challenge. Nobody gets sent off but the "victim" either gets injured from so many crunching tackles or, more likely, loses it and gets sent off. Probably not very PC but nonetheless effective in legitimately eliminating a player from the game.

[Staffsoatcake]

Dec 18, 2017 11:27:08 GMT thegift said:

Dec 18, 2017 10:48:38 GMT Pretty Little Boother said:

The best thing Wimmer could have done was get himself sent off by just crunching him.

He would of got my respect for that. The guy never put in a single tackle, in 90 minutes, from what i saw. 

The best thing Winner could have done,was not fucking turn up at all.

[thegift]

Dec 18, 2017 11:34:23 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

Dec 18, 2017 11:27:08 GMT thegift said:

He would of got my respect for that. The guy never put in a single tackle, in 90 minutes, from what i saw. 

The best thing Winner could have done,was not fucking turn up at all.

Hughes picks him, he cant exactly say no, and why would he? 

[rhodes2stoke]

I can honestly say the last time I Can remember a Stoke player letting an opposition player know he was there would have been Eric on Bacary Sagna nearly 2 years ago... That stat is pretty embarrassing and sums up the slump since.

[crapslinger]

Dec 18, 2017 11:34:23 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

Dec 18, 2017 11:27:08 GMT thegift said:

He would of got my respect for that. The guy never put in a single tackle, in 90 minutes, from what i saw. 

The best thing Winner could have done,was not fucking turn up at all.

For what he contributed he may well of not bothered, useless lump needs fucking off asap. 

[thegift]

Dec 18, 2017 12:11:00 GMT crapslinger said:

Dec 18, 2017 11:34:23 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

The best thing Winner could have done,was not fucking turn up at all.

For what he contributed he may well of not bothered, useless lump needs fucking off asap. 

I can't believe I'm going to say this but Wolly is so far superior to that shitter

[kurt]

Dec 18, 2017 12:14:54 GMT thegift said:

Dec 18, 2017 12:11:00 GMT crapslinger said:

For what he contributed he may well of not bothered, useless lump needs fucking off asap. 

I can't believe I'm going to say this but Wolly is so far superior to that shitter

 I must admit, Wimmer´s performance was really shocking. It´s a big surprise for me, cause at Cologne he was superb, otherwise he wouldn´t get signed from the Spurs.

But Premier League has developped massively forward in the last 2 years, as you can regard in the Champions League this season - in difference to the German Bundesliga, which has lost much quality - there is huge difference now between these 2 leagues in my opinion.

Think, Premier League nowadays is over Wimmer´s level - it´s too fast for him.

[thegift]

Dec 18, 2017 12:26:55 GMT kurt said:

Dec 18, 2017 12:14:54 GMT thegift said:

I can't believe I'm going to say this but Wolly is so far superior to that shitter

 I must admit, Wimmer´s performance was really shocking. It´s a big surprise for me, cause at Cologne he was superb, otherwise he wouldn´t get signed from the Spurs.

But Premier League has developped massively forward in the last 2 years, as you can regard in the Champions League this season - in difference to the German Bundesliga, which has lost much quality - there is huge difference now between these 2 leagues in my opinion.

Think, Premier League nowadays is over Wimmer´s level - it´s too fast for him.

But why does he give up on 55 minutes? Why doesn't he manage to put in a single tackle? I actually do think he may be some kind of Bung, hes just not interested in the slightest. 

[kurt]

Dec 18, 2017 12:30:56 GMT thegift said:

Dec 18, 2017 12:26:55 GMT kurt said:

 I must admit, Wimmer´s performance was really shocking. It´s a big surprise for me, cause at Cologne he was superb, otherwise he wouldn´t get signed from the Spurs.

But Premier League has developped massively forward in the last 2 years, as you can regard in the Champions League this season - in difference to the German Bundesliga, which has lost much quality - there is huge difference now between these 2 leagues in my opinion.

Think, Premier League nowadays is over Wimmer´s level - it´s too fast for him.

But why does he give up on 55 minutes? Why doesn't he manage to put in a single tackle? I actually do think he may be some kind of Bung, hes just not interested in the slightest. 

Think you can see it well in match summary. Arni was several times faster than him, beginning in 1st half and it was immense at second. In some scenes in 2nd half it seemed that he has twice the pace than Wimmer. Think, Wimmer surrendered the longer the game took. Good example is Arni´s goal, where Wimmer and other 2 Stokies let Arni play a rather simple one-two with Lanzini....they just stood and watched.

[Davef]

Dec 18, 2017 10:48:38 GMT Pretty Little Boother said:

The best thing Wimmer could have done was get himself sent off by just crunching him.

Wimmer had a go at wiping out Lanzini in the build up to their first goal and got nowhere near him.

[pez75]

Dec 18, 2017 12:37:18 GMT Davef said:

Dec 18, 2017 10:48:38 GMT Pretty Little Boother said:

The best thing Wimmer could have done was get himself sent off by just crunching him.

Wimmer had a go at wiping out Lanzini in the build up to their first goal and got nowhere near him.

I dont even think there was much conviction in that to be honest. Lets face it, we have spunked another £18M up the wall...

[bossthemidfield]

This is a bit of a rant ... Most games this season especially have an air of a practice game, by that I mean no tackles going in and no passion. The saints game in particular, even though we won, was one of the worst this season for letting the opposition stroll around. We need to be more aggressive all over the pitch, every team coming here at the moment thinks they can win because we are too soft. Our defence throws the towel too easily.

edit: Its not just Wimmer, its all of them.

[johnnysoul60]

Dec 18, 2017 11:27:05 GMT kurt said:

Dec 18, 2017 11:01:32 GMT johnnysoul60 said:

To be fair he could have left better than he did and the club did a lot for him and probably had to make some allowances for his behaviour at times so he certainly owes Hughes and his team mates more respect .

The fans fair play , we gave him loads and he rammed it down our throats although the who0le Iron thing was unessecary

...cause a prudent Stoke Fan should know, that Arni has been very happy at Stoke and he loved the people - he is also just a guy with emotions. If so many people would hate me and give me that abuse, cause i simply joined a new club, i would react like that too.... many of you as well. Stoke City boosted his career, no doubt, but Arni gave everything back to the club, he could....and that was quiet a lot. In Austria we have been very happy with his time at Stoke City (apart from the last year), and we loved to discuss his performance there every week, but absolute NOBODY of us can understand that immense abuse and hatred towards Marko.

He did do well for us , but he is a difficult character at times . Also when he left he made comments that he didnt need to that upset the fans and that is why he got so much stick . The club means a lot in a working class City like Stoke . If he had just said he felt it was time to move on or wanted to live in London it would have been better , many players have left and come back to a good reception , but publicly saying the club had no ambition will always provoke that reaction from fans , even if its the truth its not a truth fans want to hear .

[thegift]

Dec 18, 2017 12:37:16 GMT kurt said:

Dec 18, 2017 12:30:56 GMT thegift said:

But why does he give up on 55 minutes? Why doesn't he manage to put in a single tackle? I actually do think he may be some kind of Bung, hes just not interested in the slightest. 

Think you can see it well in match summary. Arni was several times faster than him, beginning in 1st half and it was immense at second. In some scenes in 2nd half it seemed that he has twice the pace than Wimmer. Think, Wimmer surrendered the longer the game took. Good example is Arni´s goal, where Wimmer and other 2 Stokies let Arni play a rather simple one-two with Lanzini....they just stood and watched.

literally just stood like a statue. That's unforgivable when hes on 40K a week. +