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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 15, 2017 17:48:22 GMT
Apologies for not reading the whole thread but on the couple of farcical posts I’ve seen, people need to get a grip.. Saido has not been given a proper chance and him up top with Crouch makes total sense... Hughes was stupid to play him as long as he did last season when he clearly wasn’t fit or ready. Now he actually has a pre season under his belt, he doesn’t get a game... if anyone wants to say, that because he is shite when he plays, I would like them to tell me the total minutes he has played his season...makes the goal for Jese against arsenal and wins the penalty against Southampton, should he have taken it probably not, his career record with pens isn’t great but fuck me, that’s 2 games this season where he has made something happen in, wait for it ... 2 league starts..... Give him the next 4 games from the start... taking us up to the new year.. if he doesn’t nothing , cut our losses then . Remember the manager and coaching staff see the player most days in training and so don't just judge him in games alone. It looks from remarks Hughes has made that they may not have been convinced about how he has responded to what they want during training sessions. It is quite amazing how many football fans in general think they can judge a player better than the qualified staff who spend huge amounts of time with players each week. So he chased him over three transfer windows when it's public knowledge that his attitude at WBA wasn't great. Was willing to pay £20m for in the previous one before he signed him. Ends up paying £12/£15m (depending on what you read) and now decides he doesn't like what he sees of him in training. Genius that is And that's not judging the player - that's judging the manager.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 17:51:33 GMT
If we give him four games we’ll be relegated Bollocks. It's fine margins with Berahino. He is a good player that needs that one goal kick start. If he'd 1)scored the penalty against Southampton, 2)scored against Watford (instead of Gomes making a really good save), 3) got a very deserved assist against Watford instead of Charlie fucking it up. Add to that his assist for Jese v Arsenal It would be a different story. Add to that the manager accepts he's not been playing the right formation for him. We are now playing *hopefully* 4-4-2. Crouch was wank against Burnley. Berahino and Diouf should start on Saturday. wow Crouch fanboys won't like that.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 15, 2017 17:54:27 GMT
Remember the manager and coaching staff see the player most days in training and so don't just judge him in games alone. It looks from remarks Hughes has made that they may not have been convinced about how he has responded to what they want during training sessions. It is quite amazing how many football fans in general think they can judge a player better than the qualified staff who spend huge amounts of time with players each week. So he chased him over three transfer windows when it's public knowledge that his attitude at WBA wasn't great. Was willing to pay £20m for in the previous one before he signed him. Ends up paying £12/£15m (depending on what you read) and now decides he doesn't like what he sees of him in training. Genius that is And that's not judging the player - that's judging the manager. I'm not sure it's the attitude that bothers Hughes, more likely he isn't quite doing it in the tactical moves they practice.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 15, 2017 17:59:41 GMT
Swap 4 him for benteke. Think benteke suit our system If we do have a system it appears to be as coherent as this post.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 15, 2017 18:01:56 GMT
Remember the manager and coaching staff see the player most days in training and so don't just judge him in games alone. It looks from remarks Hughes has made that they may not have been convinced about how he has responded to what they want during training sessions. It is quite amazing how many football fans in general think they can judge a player better than the qualified staff who spend huge amounts of time with players each week. Its equally amazing how football fans can quite quickly see that something doesn't work but qualified staff who earn huge sums of money keep doing it over and over and over again. Funny old world isn't it. You don't really believe that, do you?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 15, 2017 18:05:31 GMT
Why don't we actually play Berahino with Crouch? we are all scratching our heads with his inability to play as a lone striker.. so why not with another up front with him. Wasn't that when he was at his most prolific a few years ago? I'd play him with Diouf, he's fine at winning headers but is more mobile and can actually add more to a game.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 18:12:10 GMT
Its equally amazing how football fans can quite quickly see that something doesn't work but qualified staff who earn huge sums of money keep doing it over and over and over again. Funny old world isn't it. You don't really believe that, do you? Oh yes I've watched them do it at Stoke and many other clubs I obviously don't have as high an opinion of them as you do. Basically I don't like what football managers and coaches do because most of them devote far too much time to strangling the game and that's not what I want to watch.
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 15, 2017 19:08:35 GMT
If we give him four games we’ll be relegated Bollocks. It's fine margins with Berahino. He is a good player that needs that one goal kick start. If he'd 1)scored the penalty against Southampton, 2)scored against Watford (instead of Gomes making a really good save), 3) got a very deserved assist against Watford instead of Charlie fucking it up. Add to that his assist for Jese v Arsenal It would be a different story. Add to that the manager accepts he's not been playing the right formation for him. We are now playing *hopefully* 4-4-2. Crouch was wank against Burnley. Berahino and Diouf should start on Saturday. He is not a ‘good player’ ffs. He’s proved that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 19:53:06 GMT
Bollocks. It's fine margins with Berahino. He is a good player that needs that one goal kick start. If he'd 1)scored the penalty against Southampton, 2)scored against Watford (instead of Gomes making a really good save), 3) got a very deserved assist against Watford instead of Charlie fucking it up. Add to that his assist for Jese v Arsenal It would be a different story. Add to that the manager accepts he's not been playing the right formation for him. We are now playing *hopefully* 4-4-2. Crouch was wank against Burnley. Berahino and Diouf should start on Saturday. He is not a ‘good player’ ffs. He’s proved that It would be unfair of me fight an intellectual battle with an unarmed man
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Post by arayzorwallace on Dec 15, 2017 20:00:26 GMT
still can't seem to get my head around THAT penalty miss. He puts it (gently) in one of 2 places the keeper will save it as they dive every time. Why can't these idiots hit the corners from 12 yards.. MH has said he isn't training well. So perhaps he still has his bad attitude which was the reason TP left him out. Cash in I say if anyone can cough up 500 pounds for the plank
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 20:02:54 GMT
He is not a ‘good player’ ffs. He’s proved that It would be unfair of me fight an intellectual battle with an unarmed man He knows his shit mate Crouch and Adam that's the answer.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 20:05:33 GMT
Bollocks. It's fine margins with Berahino. He is a good player that needs that one goal kick start. If he'd 1)scored the penalty against Southampton, 2)scored against Watford (instead of Gomes making a really good save), 3) got a very deserved assist against Watford instead of Charlie fucking it up. Add to that his assist for Jese v Arsenal It would be a different story. Add to that the manager accepts he's not been playing the right formation for him. We are now playing *hopefully* 4-4-2. Crouch was wank against Burnley. Berahino and Diouf should start on Saturday. He is not a ‘good player’ ffs. He’s proved that He's a goalscorer, hardest job in football apparently. At stoke it is made harder still through the instructions & tactics of a manager with the tactical I.Q of a door nail. Berahino is a poacher. Set up the team around him to utilise him properly and he will score goals. Hughes wants royalty fucking with a broom handle. I long for the next man to use him right and buy players to fit a system, I'm sure he will makes Hughes look more stupid
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 20:08:17 GMT
still can't seem to get my head around THAT penalty miss. He puts it (gently) in one of 2 places the keeper will save it as they dive every time. Why can't these idiots hit the corners from 12 yards.. MH has said he isn't training well. So perhaps he still has his bad attitude which was the reason TP left him out. Cash in I say if anyone can cough up 500 pounds for the plank Should never have taken it, just like Benteke the other week a player under pressure to break a goal drought shouldn't put their needs before that of the team a confident player should be taking it in our case Shaqiri.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2017 20:09:55 GMT
He is not a ‘good player’ ffs. He’s proved that He's a goalscorer, hardest job in football apparently. At stoke it is made harder still through the instructions & tactics of a manager with the tactical I.Q of a door nail. Berahino is a poacher. Set up the team around him to utilise him properly and he will score goals. Hughes wants royalty fucking with a broom handle. I long for the next man to use him right and buy players to fit a system, I'm sure he will makes Hughes look more stupid That will not be a very difficult job, a Labrador with it's brain kicked in could not do much worse, at least we wouldn't have to listen to it boring the arse off us.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 20:11:24 GMT
Berahino is a poacher, people are saying he is shit because he doesn't run around a lot creating chances for others, he is not a forward, he is a striker, a poacher. His game is to hover around the D area and finish chances that come his way made by his team mates from the flanks and good play through the middle, we are shit at both.
People are judging him as a forward, he is a poacher, a striker
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 20:16:11 GMT
And if the Muppet calling the shots didn't intend to use him like that then he shouldn't of paid good money for him and chased him for 2 years. The player is good, the manager is shit.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 20:17:28 GMT
He is not a ‘good player’ ffs. He’s proved that He's a goalscorer, hardest job in football apparently. At stoke it is made harder still through the instructions & tactics of a manager with the tactical I.Q of a door nail. Berahino is a poacher. Set up the team around him to utilise him properly and he will score goals. Hughes wants royalty fucking with a broom handle. I long for the next man to use him right and buy players to fit a system, I'm sure he will makes Hughes look more stupid That's the key players doing what they are coached and instructed to do. We have a player in Shaq who is capable of doing special things with the ball I believe Affelay is also capable but our players do not release the ball early, it can't be coincidence they all do same. Piss about with the ball trying to find something perfect whilst the defenders get back in position instead of playing it early and trying to allow a strikers instinctive movement to catch them napping. I used a comparison in another post take Berahino out of your thinking altogether playing Diouf as a central striker how often do we put a player of his pace away 1 on 1? so seldom its criminal.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2017 20:23:35 GMT
Berahino is a poacher, people are saying he is shit because he doesn't run around a lot creating chances for others, he is not a forward, he is a striker, a poacher. His game is to hover around the D area and finish chances that come his way made by his team mates from the flanks and good play through the middle, we are shit at both. People are judging him as a forward, he is a poacher, a striker You are wrong according to a number of posters he makes good runs
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 20:25:31 GMT
He's a goalscorer, hardest job in football apparently. At stoke it is made harder still through the instructions & tactics of a manager with the tactical I.Q of a door nail. Berahino is a poacher. Set up the team around him to utilise him properly and he will score goals. Hughes wants royalty fucking with a broom handle. I long for the next man to use him right and buy players to fit a system, I'm sure he will makes Hughes look more stupid That's the key players doing what they are coached and instructed to do. We have a player in Shaq who is capable of doing special things with the ball I believe Affelay is also capable but our players do not release the ball early, it can't be coincidence they all do same. Piss about with the ball trying to find something perfect whilst the defenders get back in position instead of playing it early and trying to allow a strikers instinctive movement to catch them napping. I used a comparison in another post take Berahino out of your thinking altogether playing Diouf as a central striker how often do we put a player of his pace away 1 on 1? so seldom its criminal. The guy for the last 2 years has been hung out to dry & treated disgustingly by 2 managers. His confidence will be through the floor hence the penalty miss. He needs a couple of goals and I'm he'll be up and running. We need a 442 with fast wide men a midfield capable of picking quality balls and overlapping full backs that can cross the ball. It's basic stuff and the dick head has had time to figure it out and still hasn't a clue. Our full backs couldn't cross a road, in fact one isn't even a full back He's a striker himself. It's fucking school boy stuff for a top division club, criminal
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 20:28:08 GMT
Berahino is a poacher, people are saying he is shit because he doesn't run around a lot creating chances for others, he is not a forward, he is a striker, a poacher. His game is to hover around the D area and finish chances that come his way made by his team mates from the flanks and good play through the middle, we are shit at both. People are judging him as a forward, he is a poacher, a striker You are wrong according to a number of posters he makes good runs This is correct he starts good runs but as illustrated above we don't play the ball early enough to take advantage of them. He's not quick enough to run away from a defence so its a split second advantage you're trying to exploit.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 20:29:35 GMT
Berahino is a poacher, people are saying he is shit because he doesn't run around a lot creating chances for others, he is not a forward, he is a striker, a poacher. His game is to hover around the D area and finish chances that come his way made by his team mates from the flanks and good play through the middle, we are shit at both. People are judging him as a forward, he is a poacher, a striker You are wrong according to a number of posters he makes good runs he does when he gets the chance but them chances don't come often enough. His game is around the D and on the shoulder of ghe last man with a crouch or deep lying forward player. I don't criticise Berahino, it's like signing crouch to play like Thierry Henry role at arsenal, you just wouldn't do it. Signing the guy with no apparent suitable role should be sackable on it's own. Hughes has signed the name not the type of player, he must of done there is no other reason
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 20:55:06 GMT
He would work with the 532 system alongside crouch with proper wingbacks as well but the clown doesn't even have a single wing back which are crucial.
A midfield of Cameron, Allen & a fit Charlie Adam would be as sound as fuck for that system. I'm guessing Adam is about as fit as Steven Ireland.
If the clown is staying until the end of the season this January we need 2 proper wingbacks, a midfielder with an eye for a pass like Adam and we could be o.k but I bet the knob tries to sign 'another' striker thinking that's the answer.
He is completely and utterly useless
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 21:00:25 GMT
He would work with the 532 system alongside crouch with proper wingbacks as well but the clown doesn't even have a single wing back which are crucial. A midfield of Cameron, Allen & a fit Charlie Adam would be as sound as fuck for that system. I'm guessing Adam is about as fit as Steven Ireland. If the clown is staying until the end of the season this January we need 2 proper wingbacks, a midfielder with an eye for a pass like Adam and we could be o.k but I bet the knob tries to sign 'another' striker thinking that's the answer. He is completely and utterly useless Don't think Adam is the answer to unlocking Saido. He needs a player to thread him passes not Charlie's ridiculous hollywood balls. I know its stupid but Ozil would be fantastic for him. Just need to get Shaq to pass it like Ozil.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 21:17:30 GMT
He would work with the 532 system alongside crouch with proper wingbacks as well but the clown doesn't even have a single wing back which are crucial. A midfield of Cameron, Allen & a fit Charlie Adam would be as sound as fuck for that system. I'm guessing Adam is about as fit as Steven Ireland. If the clown is staying until the end of the season this January we need 2 proper wingbacks, a midfielder with an eye for a pass like Adam and we could be o.k but I bet the knob tries to sign 'another' striker thinking that's the answer. He is completely and utterly useless Don't think Adam is the answer to unlocking Saido. He needs a player to thread him passes not Charlie's ridiculous hollywood balls. I know its stupid but Ozil would be fantastic for him. Just need to get Shaq to pass it like Ozil. maybe not long term but i think he (if fit enough)could maybe limp us through to the end of season in a 3 alongside 2 others in Allen & Cameron who are more mobile. Genuine bonifide winbacks would could surely alter the in game play for the better, not just 1 like a cheapskate, we need 2. Ozil type, perfect. A James McCarthy would do me or in desperation chuck Shapiri in the middle as the playmaker of the 3, even affellay. Just 3 signings could make a big difference to a 532
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 21:20:55 GMT
One thing that caught my attention when Hughes signed as manager for stoke is the line " Mark like to play specialist players in specialist positions " , It was a quote of some sort from a club source I can't remember where exactly but He's playing square pegs on a game by game basis after 5 years so what the fuck is going on
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 21:21:41 GMT
Don't think Adam is the answer to unlocking Saido. He needs a player to thread him passes not Charlie's ridiculous hollywood balls. I know its stupid but Ozil would be fantastic for him. Just need to get Shaq to pass it like Ozil. maybe not long term but i think he (if fit enough)could maybe limp us through to the end of season in a 3 alongside 2 others in Allen & Cameron who are more mobile. Genuine bonifide winbacks would could surely alter the in game play for the better, not just 1 like cheapskate, we need 2. Ozil type, perfect. A James McCarthy would do me or in desperation chuck Shapiri in the middle as the playmaker of the 3, even affellay. Just 3 signings could make a big difference to a 532 Don't ever want to see Shaq on the wide right of a midfield 4 again its a total waste. I'm guilty of never having watched McCarthy closely enough to make a judgement and I know we can't afford Ozil but there must be players of that nature but would the coaching staff just get them to do the same as our current players do in holding the ball too long.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 15, 2017 21:22:50 GMT
What a fucking cheek to hold talks with the board. He has cost 12 million pounds and failed to score a single goal.
He should be happy that he has a long fat contract. We have a relegation battle on our hands and we dont need some goalshy cryboy wandering around the pitch taking up a starting spot.
I cant believe there at Stoke fans that are defending this waster of a footballer. The sooner we fuck him, Imbula & Wimmer off the balance sheet and the squad the better
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 15, 2017 21:24:10 GMT
Berahino is a poacher, people are saying he is shit because he doesn't run around a lot creating chances for others, he is not a forward, he is a striker, a poacher. His game is to hover around the D area and finish chances that come his way made by his team mates from the flanks and good play through the middle, we are shit at both. People are judging him as a forward, he is a poacher, a striker ‘He’s a poacher ‘. You can only laugh. A poacher who hasn’t scored for nearly two years.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 21:26:23 GMT
What a fucking cheek to hold talks with the board. He has cost 12 million pounds and failed to score a single goal. He should be happy that he has a long fat contract. We have a relegation battle on our hands and we dont need some goalshy cryboy wandering around the pitch taking up a starting spot. I cant believe there at Stoke fans that are defending this waster of a footballer. The sooner we fuck him, Imbula & Wimmer off the balance sheet and the squad the better Yeah because we're awash with effective strikers.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2017 21:40:43 GMT
Berahino is a poacher, people are saying he is shit because he doesn't run around a lot creating chances for others, he is not a forward, he is a striker, a poacher. His game is to hover around the D area and finish chances that come his way made by his team mates from the flanks and good play through the middle, we are shit at both. People are judging him as a forward, he is a poacher, a striker ‘He’s a poacher ‘. You can only laugh. A poacher who hasn’t scored for nearly two years. He's just a really unlucky poacher with a knack of being in the wrong place at the right time every time for two years, it's everybody else's fault that the poor little mite has failed including the two opposition goalkeepers, the inconsiderate bastards saved the only two meaningful shots he has had on target.
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