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Post by Gods on Dec 15, 2017 10:39:36 GMT
Just how many players have we got on our books that are more than likely pissed off at the moment? Butland- sick of losing when he could be elsewhere Diouf- Sick of playing right wing back Pieters- sick of the abuse he gets for playing left wing back when he clearly can't play there Afellay- how he doesn't get more game time is beyond me? Edwards- shafted against Tottenham and Man City away Jese- Bust up with Hughes Ramadan- in an out of the side depending what Hughes' lottery decides on the day. Also been told to play more defensive than he should Shaq- see Butland- plus he's shown he's pissed off at being subbed a few times now Saido- Played less than 3 whole games this season- despite Hughes promising him this would be the season to judge him on Tymon- Obviously got told he would be part of the first team but isn't Ngoy- Can't get a look in Johnson- Can't get a look in- shouldn't of been offered a contract Adam- can't get on the pitch even for a few minutes despite Fletcher not having the legs Grant- Apparently pissed off since the start of the season due to Butland being back Stoke's training ground surely can't be a very good place to work at the moment BMI - Injured Zouma - Injured Cameron - dizzy spells Imbula- sent to Toulouse and fallen out with them Bojan - sent to Alaves and got 2 starts all season The Xmas party is going to be fun
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 10:43:49 GMT
Just how many players have we got on our books that are more than likely pissed off at the moment? Butland- sick of losing when he could be elsewhere Diouf- Sick of playing right wing back Pieters- sick of the abuse he gets for playing left wing back when he clearly can't play there Afellay- how he doesn't get more game time is beyond me? Edwards- shafted against Tottenham and Man City away Jese- Bust up with Hughes Ramadan- in an out of the side depending what Hughes' lottery decides on the day. Also been told to play more defensive than he should Shaq- see Butland- plus he's shown he's pissed off at being subbed a few times now Saido- Played less than 3 whole games this season- despite Hughes promising him this would be the season to judge him on Tymon- Obviously got told he would be part of the first team but isn't Ngoy- Can't get a look in Johnson- Can't get a look in- shouldn't of been offered a contract Adam- can't get on the pitch even for a few minutes despite Fletcher not having the legs Grant- Apparently pissed off since the start of the season due to Butland being back Stoke's training ground surely can't be a very good place to work at the moment BMI - Injured Zouma - Injured Cameron - dizzy spells Imbula- sent to Toulouse and fallen out with them Bojan - sent to Alaves and got 2 starts all season The Xmas party is going to be fun the excuses are all ready in place failing 3 points tomorrow, it doesn't count that we buy injury prone players and the rest of the league get injuries aswell
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 15, 2017 10:43:56 GMT
I know it's hardly compelling evidence but watch him warming up on the pitch at half times, he really does give the inpression he doesn't give a fuck and would rather be anywhere else but on a football pitch. Maybe, just maybe he's the same every day in training?? Or knows he has no chance of coming on so whats the point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 11:07:07 GMT
"Stoke could even terminate Johnson’s contract in January and let him leave on a free transfer." Same article. Hughes was only saying last week that he'll be coming back over the Xmas games.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Dec 15, 2017 11:12:25 GMT
Why don't we actually play Berahino with Crouch? we are all scratching our heads with his inability to play as a lone striker.. so why not with another up front with him. Wasn't that when he was at his most prolific a few years ago?
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Dec 15, 2017 12:20:05 GMT
I bet West Brom are pissing themselves at the whole situation. Our club is a joke. Joke owner Joke CEO Joke players Joke manager Just fuck off. Joke owner? Are you being serious? The owner is the reason we are currently in our 10th season in the elite league. perhaps we should follow the likes of Bradford, Fulham, Leeds, Wolves, Portsmouth, Blackburn etc. I would advise you take the advice you have so eloquently put at the end of your post and apply it to yourself. Pathetic. SGS
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 15, 2017 13:14:30 GMT
Difficult one for Saido to argue for with his lack of goal. Crouch was benched for ages despite being in a fairly rich vain of goal scoring and Hughes can be defended in this instance because Crouch causes problems. I'm not asking for Saido to run about and I know he can't impose himself on the game in a physical way but I'm not sure what he offers when he's not scoring. Our problem is we have too many OK-ish strikers, Crouch is excellent in the air and therefore has some form of USP. The problem Hughes has is why have we spent 12m and not improved our first 11? Crouch was benched for ages despite scoring a few from the bench and was restored to the starting line up for the umpteenth time only to be completely ineffective as a starter yet again. How many times do you go through that cycle before it sinks in? How many chances has Berahino actually had since he's been fit. We've won 4 games this season of which he's played the majority of the game on two of those occasions and played a part in those wins yet he can't get any minutes please explain the logic if you think there is any. I'm not sure I'd say Crouch has been ineffective, from the highlights it looked like he was involved in some of the good things we did. I know we didn't score and this is as a result of us being more direct but he was adding value. Unfortunately for Saido he's missed some gilt edged chances. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a chance and can't believe he's not had more of a go. What I'm saying is if he has as reported gone to the board to complain he should have a concrete stance that can't be contested. 20 appearances with no goals and very little other work doesn't provide him with that position. Him getting some game time is a different argument than him complaining directly to the board.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 13:23:45 GMT
Squad a total cock up. Whose fault is it?Answers on a postage stamp!
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Post by stokie1954 on Dec 15, 2017 13:54:25 GMT
We know Saido could and should have done better and has been disappointing at times. However, other players such as Pieters, Choupo , Fletcher and Allen have been through poor periods, yet remain favourites with Hughes. Saido is a scapegoat !.
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Post by cousindupree on Dec 15, 2017 13:57:26 GMT
Can't think Saido has done himself any favours with such a move, going over the head of your boss to his boss is a recipe for writing your own P45. I hope the board tell him to get back in his box knuckle down and earn your 70k per week. However there does need a plan put in place for him and it's not more lenghty runs in the starting xi where he has done the square root of zip. The prem league is dog eat dog where every point is hard fought. You simply can't put misfiring strikers or young inexperienced players into the first team just as an experiment.Best get him out on loan even if we have to pay his wages then maybe someone will take him in the summer. Berahino hasn't taken his chances so sees himself behind Crouch and Diouf in the pecking order based on the contribution they make to the team. It's a tough gig Saido that's why you get paid millions for the priviledge. According to Fletcher Saido was always playing the victim at WBA seems it's continuing.
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 15, 2017 14:10:33 GMT
I bet West Brom are pissing themselves at the whole situation. Our club is a joke. Joke owner Joke CEO Joke players Joke manager Just fuck off. Joke owner? Are you being serious? The owner is the reason we are currently in our 10th season in the elite league. perhaps we should follow the likes of Bradford, Fulham, Leeds, Wolves, Portsmouth, Blackburn etc. I would advise you take the advice you have so eloquently put at the end of your post and apply it to yourself. Pathetic. SGS Wolves eh? The Wolves that knocked us out of the FA cup and also Liverpool? Then proceeded to sack Lambert and show ambition by signing a foreign manager. The way things are going at Wolves mate they'll be replacing us come next summer. So don't try and preach to me about our lord saviour Coates. Do you're research.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 14:21:21 GMT
Crouch was benched for ages despite scoring a few from the bench and was restored to the starting line up for the umpteenth time only to be completely ineffective as a starter yet again. How many times do you go through that cycle before it sinks in? How many chances has Berahino actually had since he's been fit. We've won 4 games this season of which he's played the majority of the game on two of those occasions and played a part in those wins yet he can't get any minutes please explain the logic if you think there is any. I'm not sure I'd say Crouch has been ineffective, from the highlights it looked like he was involved in some of the good things we did. I know we didn't score and this is as a result of us being more direct but he was adding value. Unfortunately for Saido he's missed some gilt edged chances. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a chance and can't believe he's not had more of a go. What I'm saying is if he has as reported gone to the board to complain he should have a concrete stance that can't be contested. 20 appearances with no goals and very little other work doesn't provide him with that position. Him getting some game time is a different argument than him complaining directly to the board. It's up to you what you think of Crouch's performance but the fact remains that when he starts the team struggles for goals its not a one off it happens every time he has a run of starts. That's why I keep saying it is the definition of stupidity to keep going back to it. What are these gilt edged chances you think he's missed penalty aside every chance I've seen him have with his feet would have been an extremely good goal if it had gone in that's hardly missing sitters. He's had better chances of headed goals but he's not a good aerial forward don't think anybody ever claimed he was. If he's taken his lack of playing time up with the manager and not got a satisfactory response why should he not go to the board and say look I'm not getting played get me a loan or sell me or whatever, its a very short career and he's wasted enough of it already. We've won 4 games this season and he played the majority of minutes in 2 of those games. In which case if him not scoring goals is not adversely affecting results why not give him a run of games to see whether he starts scoring or results force you to change I mean they're not exactly very good when he isn't getting any playing time are they and the club have got a £12/15M investment tied up in him. He hasn't even been poor this season when he's been given a chance he's simply failed to score. Its inexplicable why he was played a lot when he was clearly neither fit nor sharp but has had very few chances since he's actually looked quite fit and sharp.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 14:26:13 GMT
Joke owner? Are you being serious? The owner is the reason we are currently in our 10th season in the elite league. perhaps we should follow the likes of Bradford, Fulham, Leeds, Wolves, Portsmouth, Blackburn etc. I would advise you take the advice you have so eloquently put at the end of your post and apply it to yourself. Pathetic. SGS Wolves eh? The Wolves that knocked us out of the FA cup and also Liverpool? Then proceeded to sack Lambert and show ambition by signing a foreign manager. The way things are going at Wolves mate they'll be replacing us come next summer. So don't try and preach to me about our lord saviour Coates. Do you're research. Our Lord savior Coates is fine when he's putting his hand in his pocket, that's what he brings to the table. It's just when he stops and thinks he's a hot shot at running a football club he becomes a liability. Horses for courses Mr Coates do what you're good at and what has bought us success we've been through all this before its like deja vu.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 15, 2017 15:38:58 GMT
I'm not sure I'd say Crouch has been ineffective, from the highlights it looked like he was involved in some of the good things we did. I know we didn't score and this is as a result of us being more direct but he was adding value. Unfortunately for Saido he's missed some gilt edged chances. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a chance and can't believe he's not had more of a go. What I'm saying is if he has as reported gone to the board to complain he should have a concrete stance that can't be contested. 20 appearances with no goals and very little other work doesn't provide him with that position. Him getting some game time is a different argument than him complaining directly to the board. It's up to you what you think of Crouch's performance but the fact remains that when he starts the team struggles for goals its not a one off it happens every time he has a run of starts. That's why I keep saying it is the definition of stupidity to keep going back to it. What are these gilt edged chances you think he's missed penalty aside every chance I've seen him have with his feet would have been an extremely good goal if it had gone in that's hardly missing sitters. He's had better chances of headed goals but he's not a good aerial forward don't think anybody ever claimed he was. If he's taken his lack of playing time up with the manager and not got a satisfactory response why should he not go to the board and say look I'm not getting played get me a loan or sell me or whatever, its a very short career and he's wasted enough of it already. We've won 4 games this season and he played the majority of minutes in 2 of those games. In which case if him not scoring goals is not adversely affecting results why not give him a run of games to see whether he starts scoring or results force you to change I mean they're not exactly very good when he isn't getting any playing time are they and the club have got a £12/15M investment tied up in him. He hasn't even been poor this season when he's been given a chance he's simply failed to score. Its inexplicable why he was played a lot when he was clearly neither fit nor sharp but has had very few chances since he's actually looked quite fit and sharp. I think that sums it up perfectly.
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Post by rrrrleek on Dec 15, 2017 16:12:27 GMT
Swap 4 him for benteke. Think benteke suit our system
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 16:18:31 GMT
Swap 4 him for benteke. Think benteke suit our system Your literacy really isn't improving at all. Why expect others to improve when you make no effort yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 16:22:11 GMT
Why don't we actually play Berahino with Crouch? we are all scratching our heads with his inability to play as a lone striker.. so why not with another up front with him. Because Diouf by far has been a better player for us?
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Dec 15, 2017 16:30:50 GMT
Why don't we actually play Berahino with Crouch? we are all scratching our heads with his inability to play as a lone striker.. so why not with another up front with him. Because Diouf by far has been a better player for us? True he is stronger physically, especially in a lone striker role but he has not been effective really until he was able to link up with Crouch or Shaq/CM.... Bit i haven’t watched the last couple of matches to be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 16:31:16 GMT
Berhaino hasn't done anywhere near enough to justify starting in matches, I'd even argue that he needs to look himself in the mirror and admit that he is partly responsible for ruining his own career by falling out with everybody at West Brom and losing all of his fitness in the process. At the same time, it's difficult to understand why he isn't coming off the bench in matches when we're struggling so badly. Can't blame him for being frustrated after we promised to revive his career. The manager undoubtedly looks at what he's got on the bench and then looks at who Saido should replace. He then decides he's going to get more from who's already there than he's ever going to get from a player whose view of himself does not match the performances he's put out in training and in his select performances. Berahino should keep looking in the mirror and realise he isn't Dorian Gray.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 15, 2017 16:49:13 GMT
Berahino’s problem is he thinks he’s a lot better than he is. A classic silver spoon footballer who’s been told he’s a genius all his young life - and isn’t. Apparently his attitude stinks even down to disrespecting team mates when they come off the bench ahead of him. If he’s gone board over Hughes head that will impress no one including the board. Why not take a leaf out of Crouch’s book. Who when on the bench doesn’t moan and works hard and makes the most of his opportunities. And he’s a player who has achieved more in the game than spoilt little Saido ever will. Obviously then you think perennially returning to Crouch as a starter is not a problem despite the fact its been proved not to work time and time again. Isn't that the definition of stupidity. There is so often the stench of nastiness about your posts: derogatory terms, put down remarks. This is a pearl, you have tried to put your own interpretation into mickmacc's comment above and then described the comment as stupid. He hasn't suggested starting with Crouch - quite the opposite, referring to patience coming off the bench. Regardless, Berahino has a mountain to climb in any comparison with Crouch's recent contributions 2016/17 Win v Watford Win v Sunderland Draw v Everton Win v Hull Win v Soton 2017/18 Draw v WBA Win v Soton Draw v Leic When Berahino eventually manages to earn a place - let's see what he can do.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 16:59:09 GMT
Obviously then you think perennially returning to Crouch as a starter is not a problem despite the fact its been proved not to work time and time again. Isn't that the definition of stupidity. There is so often the stench of nastiness about your posts: derogatory terms, put down remarks.This is a pearl, you have tried to put your own interpretation into mickmacc's comment above and then described the comment as stupid. He hasn't suggested starting with Crouch - quite the opposite, referring to patience coming off the bench. Regardless, Berahino has a mountain to climb in any comparison with Crouch's recent contributions 2016/17 Win v Watford Win v Sunderland Draw v Everton Win v Hull Win v Soton 2017/18 Draw v WBA Win v Soton Draw v Leic When Berahino eventually manages to earn a place - let's see what he can do. Thanks I never like to leave people in doubt what I think about something.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2017 17:08:08 GMT
Obviously then you think perennially returning to Crouch as a starter is not a problem despite the fact its been proved not to work time and time again. Isn't that the definition of stupidity. There is so often the stench of nastiness about your posts: derogatory terms, put down remarks. This is a pearl, you have tried to put your own interpretation into mickmacc's comment above and then described the comment as stupid. He hasn't suggested starting with Crouch - quite the opposite, referring to patience coming off the bench. Regardless, Berahino has a mountain to climb in any comparison with Crouch's recent contributions 2016/17 Win v Watford Win v Sunderland Draw v Everton Win v Hull Win v Soton 2017/18 Draw v WBA Win v Soton Draw v Leic When Berahino eventually manages to earn a place - let's see what he can do. If he ever does, on a brighter note Hughes has stated that he is training better , well thank fcuk for that he's been here 11 month and has only recently started training better WTF is going on, are the players running this show or the manager ?
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 15, 2017 17:26:51 GMT
There is so often the stench of nastiness about your posts: derogatory terms, put down remarks.This is a pearl, you have tried to put your own interpretation into mickmacc's comment above and then described the comment as stupid. He hasn't suggested starting with Crouch - quite the opposite, referring to patience coming off the bench. Regardless, Berahino has a mountain to climb in any comparison with Crouch's recent contributions 2016/17 Win v Watford Win v Sunderland Draw v Everton Win v Hull Win v Soton 2017/18 Draw v WBA Win v Soton Draw v Leic When Berahino eventually manages to earn a place - let's see what he can do. Thanks I never like to leave people in doubt what I think about something.
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 15, 2017 17:27:40 GMT
There is so often the stench of nastiness about your posts: derogatory terms, put down remarks.This is a pearl, you have tried to put your own interpretation into mickmacc's comment above and then described the comment as stupid. He hasn't suggested starting with Crouch - quite the opposite, referring to patience coming off the bench. Regardless, Berahino has a mountain to climb in any comparison with Crouch's recent contributions 2016/17 Win v Watford Win v Sunderland Draw v Everton Win v Hull Win v Soton 2017/18 Draw v WBA Win v Soton Draw v Leic When Berahino eventually manages to earn a place - let's see what he can do. Thanks I never like to leave people in doubt what I think about something. No one is in any doubt about you at all
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Post by stokie23 on Dec 15, 2017 17:30:27 GMT
Apologies for not reading the whole thread but on the couple of farcical posts I’ve seen, people need to get a grip..
Saido has not been given a proper chance and him up top with Crouch makes total sense...
Hughes was stupid to play him as long as he did last season when he clearly wasn’t fit or ready.
Now he actually has a pre season under his belt, he doesn’t get a game... if anyone wants to say, that because he is shite when he plays, I would like them to tell me the total minutes he has played his season...makes the goal for Jese against arsenal and wins the penalty against Southampton, should he have taken it probably not, his career record with pens isn’t great but fuck me, that’s 2 games this season where he has made something happen in, wait for it ... 2 league starts.....
Give him the next 4 games from the start... taking us up to the new year.. if he doesn’t nothing , cut our losses then .
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 15, 2017 17:34:09 GMT
If we give him four games we’ll be relegated
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 15, 2017 17:42:28 GMT
Apologies for not reading the whole thread but on the couple of farcical posts I’ve seen, people need to get a grip.. Saido has not been given a proper chance and him up top with Crouch makes total sense... Hughes was stupid to play him as long as he did last season when he clearly wasn’t fit or ready. Now he actually has a pre season under his belt, he doesn’t get a game... if anyone wants to say, that because he is shite when he plays, I would like them to tell me the total minutes he has played his season...makes the goal for Jese against arsenal and wins the penalty against Southampton, should he have taken it probably not, his career record with pens isn’t great but fuck me, that’s 2 games this season where he has made something happen in, wait for it ... 2 league starts..... Give him the next 4 games from the start... taking us up to the new year.. if he doesn’t nothing , cut our losses then . Remember the manager and coaching staff see the player most days in training and so don't just judge him in games alone. It looks from remarks Hughes has made that they may not have been convinced about how he has responded to what they want during training sessions. It is quite amazing how many football fans in general think they can judge a player better than the qualified staff who spend huge amounts of time with players each week.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 15, 2017 17:44:47 GMT
Sorry Saido, but you haven't shown anything to suggest that you will rediscover you goalscoring form since you signed.
Poor movement. Poor hold up play. Poor at even getting on the end of chances. Poor signing.
The blame should be shouldered by the player and whoever bloody decided to sign him!
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 17:45:58 GMT
Apologies for not reading the whole thread but on the couple of farcical posts I’ve seen, people need to get a grip.. Saido has not been given a proper chance and him up top with Crouch makes total sense... Hughes was stupid to play him as long as he did last season when he clearly wasn’t fit or ready. Now he actually has a pre season under his belt, he doesn’t get a game... if anyone wants to say, that because he is shite when he plays, I would like them to tell me the total minutes he has played his season...makes the goal for Jese against arsenal and wins the penalty against Southampton, should he have taken it probably not, his career record with pens isn’t great but fuck me, that’s 2 games this season where he has made something happen in, wait for it ... 2 league starts..... Give him the next 4 games from the start... taking us up to the new year.. if he doesn’t nothing , cut our losses then . Remember the manager and coaching staff see the player most days in training and so don't just judge him in games alone. It looks from remarks Hughes has made that they may not have been convinced about how he has responded to what they want during training sessions. It is quite amazing how many football fans in general think they can judge a player better than the qualified staff who spend huge amounts of time with players each week. Its equally amazing how football fans can quite quickly see that something doesn't work but qualified staff who earn huge sums of money keep doing it over and over and over again. Funny old world isn't it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 17:47:31 GMT
If we give him four games we’ll be relegated Bollocks. It's fine margins with Berahino. He is a good player that needs that one goal kick start. If he'd 1)scored the penalty against Southampton, 2)scored against Watford (instead of Gomes making a really good save), 3) got a very deserved assist against Watford instead of Charlie fucking it up. Add to that his assist for Jese v Arsenal It would be a different story. Add to that the manager accepts he's not been playing the right formation for him. We are now playing *hopefully* 4-4-2. Crouch was wank against Burnley. Berahino and Diouf should start on Saturday.
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