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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 15, 2017 8:33:06 GMT
I can see Berahino's point, especially when the manager prefers to leave a substitution unused rather than bring on a striker he's spent four transfer windows chasing... At Burnley we were losing 1-0, what kind of fucking idiot leaves a £10m striker on the bench when you've got a substitution going spare?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 15, 2017 8:39:47 GMT
We paid £12m for him, he came with a reputation as a one-time future England prospect who Spurs were willing to pay big money for, and he’s been here nearly a year.
In that context, sorry, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect a bit more than a few decent runs and that assist for Jesé.
I appreciate the set up isn’t helping him and that isn’t his fault, but on the ball he’s offered almost nothing and I don’t see what he offers that Diouf or Crouch don’t to warrant him being in the team.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 9:20:06 GMT
Difficult one for Saido to argue for with his lack of goal. Crouch was benched for ages despite being in a fairly rich vain of goal scoring and Hughes can be defended in this instance because Crouch causes problems. I'm not asking for Saido to run about and I know he can't impose himself on the game in a physical way but I'm not sure what he offers when he's not scoring. Our problem is we have too many OK-ish strikers, Crouch is excellent in the air and therefore has some form of USP. The problem Hughes has is why have we spent 12m and not improved our first 11? Crouch was benched for ages despite scoring a few from the bench and was restored to the starting line up for the umpteenth time only to be completely ineffective as a starter yet again. How many times do you go through that cycle before it sinks in? How many chances has Berahino actually had since he's been fit. We've won 4 games this season of which he's played the majority of the game on two of those occasions and played a part in those wins yet he can't get any minutes please explain the logic if you think there is any.
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Post by robrigo on Dec 15, 2017 9:21:42 GMT
I don’t know what Saidos problem is. Surely he should know, “he doesn’t suit the system”.
It’s one thing after another at the moment with this club.
Like Coatsey, I don’t know what the fuss is about. 😉😟
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 9:25:31 GMT
I don’t know what Saidos problem is. Surely he should know, “he doesn’t suit the system”. It’s one thing after another at the moment with this club. Like Coatsey, I don’t know what the fuss is about. 😉😟 Check for a shell maybe you're turning into a tortoise too.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 15, 2017 9:27:14 GMT
Difficult one for Saido to argue for with his lack of goal. Crouch was benched for ages despite being in a fairly rich vain of goal scoring and Hughes can be defended in this instance because Crouch causes problems. I'm not asking for Saido to run about and I know he can't impose himself on the game in a physical way but I'm not sure what he offers when he's not scoring. Our problem is we have too many OK-ish strikers, Crouch is excellent in the air and therefore has some form of USP. The problem Hughes has is why have we spent 12m and not improved our first 11? Crouch was benched for ages despite scoring a few from the bench and was restored to the starting line up for the umpteenth time only to be completely ineffective as a starter yet again. How many times do you go through that cycle before it sinks in? How many chances has Berahino actually had since he's been fit. We've won 4 games this season of which he's played the majority of the game on two of those occasions and played a part in those wins yet he can't get any minutes please explain the logic if you think there is any. That he hasn’t shown as much as the others he’s competing with?
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 15, 2017 9:32:23 GMT
I know it's hardly compelling evidence but watch him warming up on the pitch at half times, he really does give the inpression he doesn't give a fuck and would rather be anywhere else but on a football pitch. Maybe, just maybe he's the same every day in training??
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 15, 2017 9:32:24 GMT
He is at the moment. His heads so far in the sand you could film an episode of Baywatch in there. Scholes and Cartwright in starring roles as Pamela Anderson's tits. Our Pamela has got quite a lot in common with our team as it happens, she used to be a stunner, however she’s aged terribly and she’s looking a bit worse for wear after having her back doors smashed in repeatedly.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 9:33:36 GMT
Crouch was benched for ages despite scoring a few from the bench and was restored to the starting line up for the umpteenth time only to be completely ineffective as a starter yet again. How many times do you go through that cycle before it sinks in? How many chances has Berahino actually had since he's been fit. We've won 4 games this season of which he's played the majority of the game on two of those occasions and played a part in those wins yet he can't get any minutes please explain the logic if you think there is any. That he hasn’t shown as much as the others he’s competing with? The club chased the guy for 2 years, the manager should of been sure he knew he was the missing piece of the jig-saw for that soap opera to continue for that length of time, now "he doesn't fit the system". Hughes should play a system that gets a goalscorer scorer scoring goals, especially & more so when his favoured system that keeps berahino out consists of an unbalanced/unsuited set up with square pegs in round holes and taking regular shaftings because of it. The management is so bad it's sickening
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 9:35:36 GMT
[quZeeote author=" The Toxic Avenger" source="/post/5812394/thread" timestamp="1513330034"] Crouch was benched for ages despite scoring a few from the bench and was restored to the starting line up for the umpteenth time only to be completely ineffective as a starter yet again. How many times do you go through that cycle before it sinks in? How many chances has Berahino actually had since he's been fit. We've won 4 games this season of which he's played the majority of the game on two of those occasions and played a part in those wins yet he can't get any minutes please explain the logic if you think there is any. That he hasn’t shown as much as the others he’s competing with?[/quote] So you think its logical to keep going back to something that's proved not to work time and time again? You can't just go on individual performances you have to look at the effect it has on the team as a whole. Starting Crouch is detrimental to the way the team play every time he's restored to the starting line up we struggle to score goals its not a coincidence.
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Post by slother on Dec 15, 2017 9:35:46 GMT
I honestly don't get this Berahino love in. He'd been wank for ages at West Brom which everyone blamed on TP. Then he came here and has looked pretty tragic so far. He's been here for 11 months mow and registered one assist. I think he'd look out of his depth in the Championship. Get rid of him, Imbula, Wimmer and Hughes Before we write off £50m all at once, maybe we should just get rid of Hughes and then see how the others get on?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 15, 2017 9:37:30 GMT
That he hasn’t shown as much as the others he’s competing with? The club chased the guy for 2 years, the manager should of been sure he knew he was the missing piece of the jig-saw for that soap opera to continue for that length of time, now "he doesn't fit the system". Hughes should play a system that gets a goalscorer scorer scoring goals, especially & more so when his favoured system that keeps berahino out consists of an unbalanced/unsuited set up with square pegs in round holes and taking regular shaftings because of it. The management is so bad it's sickening No argument there, I completely agree.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 9:37:49 GMT
I honestly don't get this Berahino love in. He'd been wank for ages at West Brom which everyone blamed on TP. Then he came here and has looked pretty tragic so far. He's been here for 11 months mow and registered one assist. I think he'd look out of his depth in the Championship. Get rid of him, Imbula, Wimmer and Hughes Before we write off £50m all at once, maybe we should just get rid of Hughes and then see how the others get on? That's just too sensible
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 15, 2017 9:42:41 GMT
Berhaino hasn't done anywhere near enough to justify starting in matches, I'd even argue that he needs to look himself in the mirror and admit that he is partly responsible for ruining his own career by falling out with everybody at West Brom and losing all of his fitness in the process. At the same time, it's difficult to understand why he isn't coming off the bench in matches when we're struggling so badly. Can't blame him for being frustrated after we promised to revive his career. However, I can certainly understand why the board aren't willing to loan him out when he's reportedly on an outrageous £70,000 per week; the only clubs who would take him would be in the Championship and unable to cover anything more than a quarter of that at best. In a situation like that, you may as well persist with him and hope-beyond-hope that he comes good. If he never comes good we will lose a lot of money on him. But if we loan him out in January, we publicly admit defeat in the eyes of any clubs who might want him and lose that money immediately anyway. And the end of the day, though, the people responsible for this stupid mess are Hughes and the transfer team. Despite what Coates is saying in public, I'd be amazed if they weren't all coming under a lot of pressure behind the scenes. It's hard to comprehend if they're not being put under a high level of pressure, given what you quite rightly say. Added to the Imbula situation, which is even worse, the situation is becoming extremely concerning. At least when Pulis left there weren't any players not fit for purpose, who were on long and highly paid contracts left for the next manager to cope with. Hughes seems to have developed a very bad habit of doing this......makes me wonder if all the money at Man City turned his head. We really are in a mess right now, it has to be said.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 15, 2017 9:47:11 GMT
I bet West Brom are pissing themselves at the whole situation. Our club is a joke. Joke owner Joke CEO Joke players Joke manager Just fuck off. Joke supposed supporters more like
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Post by mickmacc on Dec 15, 2017 9:50:01 GMT
Berahino’s problem is he thinks he’s a lot better than he is. A classic silver spoon footballer who’s been told he’s a genius all his young life - and isn’t.
Apparently his attitude stinks even down to disrespecting team mates when they come off the bench ahead of him.
If he’s gone board over Hughes head that will impress no one including the board.
Why not take a leaf out of Crouch’s book. Who when on the bench doesn’t moan and works hard and makes the most of his opportunities.
And he’s a player who has achieved more in the game than spoilt little Saido ever will.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 9:54:11 GMT
Berahino’s problem is he thinks he’s a lot better than he is. A classic silver spoon footballer who’s been told he’s a genius all his young life - and isn’t. Apparently his attitude stinks even down to disrespecting team mates when they come off the bench ahead of him. If he’s gone board over Hughes head that will impress no one including the board. Why not take a leaf out of Crouch’s book. Who when on the bench doesn’t moan and works hard and makes the most of his opportunities. And he’s a player who has achieved more in the game than spoilt little Saido ever will. Obviously then you think perennially returning to Crouch as a starter is not a problem despite the fact its been proved not to work time and time again. Isn't that the definition of stupidity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 10:03:38 GMT
I think the worst thing is he's pretty much admitted that Saido will likely be used during Xmas as fresh legs and a last resort, rather than as a genuine option. Given Hughes' lack of rotation over previous festive periods, and even this week, you'd image it's a very last resort.
The other telling bit is when he said in the press conference that Saido has trained a lot better this week, implying he hadn't previously?
Finally, the fact that he's implied that he won't be using him immediately but won't let him leave on loan in January basically traps Saido. You can understand his grievances, this is the second club it's happened at and the third year of his career stalling. He will be annoyed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 10:05:57 GMT
Berahino’s problem is he thinks he’s a lot better than he is. A classic silver spoon footballer who’s been told he’s a genius all his young life - and isn’t. Apparently his attitude stinks even down to disrespecting team mates when they come off the bench ahead of him. If he’s gone board over Hughes head that will impress no one including the board. Why not take a leaf out of Crouch’s book. Who when on the bench doesn’t moan and works hard and makes the most of his opportunities. And he’s a player who has achieved more in the game than spoilt little Saido ever will. Silver spoon? Didn't he flee conflict as a refugee and lose his dad to the civil war in the process? Hardly raised in the mansions of Kensington is it? Also he's taken a leaf out of Crouch's book and gone to the media with his complaints in order to get game time...
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Post by werrington on Dec 15, 2017 10:09:52 GMT
Berahino’s problem is he thinks he’s a lot better than he is. A classic silver spoon footballer who’s been told he’s a genius all his young life - and isn’t. Apparently his attitude stinks even down to disrespecting team mates when they come off the bench ahead of him. If he’s gone board over Hughes head that will impress no one including the board. Why not take a leaf out of Crouch’s book. Who when on the bench doesn’t moan and works hard and makes the most of his opportunities. And he’s a player who has achieved more in the game than spoilt little Saido ever will. Silver spoon? Didn't he flee conflict as a refugee and lose his dad to the civil war in the process? Hardly raised in the mansions of Kensington is it? Also he's taken a leaf out of Crouch's book and gone to the media with his complaints in order to get game time... Wasting your time mate Given his life as a child that first paragraph says how much he knows One trick pony ...crouch crouch crouch
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 10:10:09 GMT
F T P! Work it out march! Plus why bring the bloke here if he's not going to play him? Idiocy of the highest order!
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Post by thegift on Dec 15, 2017 10:10:45 GMT
Berahino's face when Tp takes over... PRICELESS lol
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Post by thegift on Dec 15, 2017 10:13:45 GMT
I can see Berahino's point, especially when the manager prefers to leave a substitution unused rather than bring on a striker he's spent four transfer windows chasing... At Burnley we were losing 1-0, what kind of fucking idiot leaves a £10m striker on the bench when you've got a substitution going spare? This is one of Hughes' major flaws. How is it so difficult to not understand how a striker would influence the game being 1-0 down.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 10:17:47 GMT
He has struggled for chances because our players are too slow in releasing the ball. Take Berahino out of the equation altogether when we play Diouf as a central striker how often do we provide a player of his pace with a one on one. I'll give you a clue it's scandalously low.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 15, 2017 10:22:02 GMT
Reading between the lines there, we're a shambles.
Indeed.
What a bizarre couple of sentences this is, from the same article ...
"Stoke could even terminate Johnson’s contract in January and let him leave on a free transfer, following the 33-year-old’s exile from the first-team squad.
Johnson signed a new contract last summer"
Why are we trying to get rid of players that we've just given new contracts to?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 15, 2017 10:26:48 GMT
I wonder how common place this actually is? Rightly, or wrongly, it seems the vultures have completely locked onto us now and are digging for any and every story. It doesn't sound good from the outside. Or the inside 😯
More worryingly.
Somebody is obviously feeding the press this stuff.
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Post by pez75 on Dec 15, 2017 10:28:49 GMT
Reading between the lines there, we're a shambles.
Indeed.
What a bizarre couple of sentences this is, from the same article ...
"Stoke could even terminate Johnson’s contract in January and let him leave on a free transfer, following the 33-year-old’s exile from the first-team squad.
Johnson signed a new contract last summer"
Why are we trying to get rid of players that we've just given new contracts to?
It seems to add to the gathering evidence that Hughes' managment style takes no prisoners. You cross him, you're out. Imbula, Wollscheid, Johnson, Berahino, probably Jese next...
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Post by wearepremierleague on Dec 15, 2017 10:29:54 GMT
Just how many players have we got on our books that are more than likely pissed off at the moment? Butland- sick of losing when he could be elsewhere Diouf- Sick of playing right wing back Pieters- sick of the abuse he gets for playing left wing back when he clearly can't play there Afellay- how he doesn't get more game time is beyond me? Edwards- shafted against Tottenham and Man City away Jese- Bust up with Hughes Ramadan- in an out of the side depending what Hughes' lottery decides on the day. Also been told to play more defensive than he should Shaq- see Butland- plus he's shown he's pissed off at being subbed a few times now Saido- Played less than 3 whole games this season- despite Hughes promising him this would be the season to judge him on Tymon- Obviously got told he would be part of the first team but isn't Ngoy- Can't get a look in Johnson- Can't get a look in- shouldn't of been offered a contract Adam- can't get on the pitch even for a few minutes despite Fletcher not having the legs Grant- Apparently pissed off since the start of the season due to Butland being back
Stoke's training ground surely can't be a very good place to work at the moment
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 15, 2017 10:37:51 GMT
Berahino’s problem is he thinks he’s a lot better than he is. A classic silver spoon footballer who’s been told he’s a genius all his young life - and isn’t. Apparently his attitude stinks even down to disrespecting team mates when they come off the bench ahead of him. If he’s gone board over Hughes head that will impress no one including the board. Why not take a leaf out of Crouch’s book. Who when on the bench doesn’t moan and works hard and makes the most of his opportunities. And he’s a player who has achieved more in the game than spoilt little Saido ever will. Yes Berahino is certainly spoiled, some of his young friends died back home in Burundi. And Crouch has moaned plenty of times.
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Post by alster on Dec 15, 2017 10:38:05 GMT
Just how many players have we got on our books that are more than likely pissed off at the moment? Butland- sick of losing when he could be elsewhere Diouf- Sick of playing right wing back Pieters- sick of the abuse he gets for playing left wing back when he clearly can't play there Afellay- how he doesn't get more game time is beyond me? Edwards- shafted against Tottenham and Man City away Jese- Bust up with Hughes Ramadan- in an out of the side depending what Hughes' lottery decides on the day. Also been told to play more defensive than he should Shaq- see Butland- plus he's shown he's pissed off at being subbed a few times now Saido- Played less than 3 whole games this season- despite Hughes promising him this would be the season to judge him on Tymon- Obviously got told he would be part of the first team but isn't Ngoy- Can't get a look in Johnson- Can't get a look in- shouldn't of been offered a contract Adam- can't get on the pitch even for a few minutes despite Fletcher not having the legs Grant- Apparently pissed off since the start of the season due to Butland being back Stoke's training ground surely can't be a very good place to work at the moment Hughes pissed off because there was a reliant robin with Hughes out! on it five years ago.
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