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Post by loosestools on Dec 14, 2017 21:15:29 GMT
Events of the last few hours change nothing, Hughes will have to start winning games to keep his job, just as any new manager would have to hit the ground running. Peter Coates is no mug, he will have made Hughes fully aware of what he expects, the media stuff today is an attempt to keep the fans onside for Saturday. The fans turned pretty much on mass after the Spurs debacle, things could turn very nasty on Saturday. Very nasty and I'LL BE ONE OF THEM.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 14, 2017 21:16:19 GMT
He doesnt just need sacking, he needs help, the man is quite clearly mentally ill.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 14, 2017 21:20:22 GMT
It doesn't matter what he says publicly though Geoff, if West Ham take the lead on Saturday just watch the atmosphere turn. The fans want see good performances and more wins and so does Peter Coates, the difference is that Coates has to make the decisions, one bad decision could cost the club it's PL status. Making no decision, or deciding to keep Hughes, could be as costly. The thing is, he could keep him, we could survive, and we'll never know if we would have gone down or not if we had changed manager. Likewise we could change manager, survive, and we would never have known whether Hughes would have kept us up. I agree it's a huge decision but with every loss, keeping him seems to be the wrong move.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2017 21:25:39 GMT
Agreed but that conflicts with the financial backing he has given to Hughes who has in turn pissed £50 million up the wall on three very high risk signings. Our net spend is one of the lowest in the division, so I'd argue with that point. He's been backed, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that the financial backing he's had is in any way a gamble... It's been within the boundaries set to get the club more self-sufficient. If he'd given him £100m to spend (thank fuck he didn't!) then yes, it would be a gamble. It's a gamble that has failed spectacularly, £50 million outlay what return do you estimate we will get on that initial spend ?
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 14, 2017 21:35:27 GMT
The fans want see good performances and more wins and so does Peter Coates, the difference is that Coates has to make the decisions, one bad decision could cost the club it's PL status. Making no decision, or deciding to keep Hughes, could be as costly. The thing is, he could keep him, we could survive, and we'll never know if we would have gone down or not if we had changed manager. Likewise we could change manager, survive, and we would never have known whether Hughes would have kept us up. I agree it's a huge decision but with every loss, keeping him seems to be the wrong move. I'm pretty certain the club has not identified a suitable replacement, whether they have tried or not I've no idea. It looks as though Coates believes Hughes can turn this round, as he has done before, and therefore that is the safest way to proceed. Trying to find a replacement quickly is risky and yet if Hughes loses the next few games the club might have to do that. Rather than fans slagging off Peter Coates they should have a lttle sympathy for him, he may have some difficult and tricky decisions to make and pressure from the club's own fans might not help him make the correct ones.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2017 21:42:13 GMT
Making no decision, or deciding to keep Hughes, could be as costly. The thing is, he could keep him, we could survive, and we'll never know if we would have gone down or not if we had changed manager. Likewise we could change manager, survive, and we would never have known whether Hughes would have kept us up. I agree it's a huge decision but with every loss, keeping him seems to be the wrong move. I'm pretty certain the club has not identified a suitable replacement, whether they have tried or not I've no idea. It looks as though Coates believes Hughes can turn this round, as he has done before, and therefore that is the safest way to proceed. Trying to find a replacement quickly is risky and yet if Hughes loses the next few games the club might have to do that. Rather than fans slagging off Peter Coates they should have a lttle sympathy for him, he may have some difficult and tricky decisions to make and pressure from the club's own fans might not help him make the correct ones. He had the ideal opportunity to sort out a manager at the later end of last season, we were pretty dire most of last season most could see that evidenced by the minority who stayed behind to give a half hearted send off after our last home match, the writing was well and truly on the wall in Ten Foot high letters Coates ignored all the evidence and decided to keep lethargic Les and his team, he is now reaping the rewards for not acting on it.
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Post by 4evastoke on Dec 14, 2017 21:42:48 GMT
I maybe totally wrong but how I read the comments made by coats in the sentinel equates to " we were shit last season and still didn't get relegated and we are shit now and won't go down. So basically if we keep turning up for the games he doesn't give a flying fuck.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 14, 2017 21:47:36 GMT
Our net spend is one of the lowest in the division, so I'd argue with that point. He's been backed, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that the financial backing he's had is in any way a gamble... It's been within the boundaries set to get the club more self-sufficient. If he'd given him £100m to spend (thank fuck he didn't!) then yes, it would be a gamble. It's a gamble that has failed spectacularly, £50 million outlay what return do you estimate we will get on that initial spend ? Our recruitment of high value players has been terrible, yes. But the amounts we're talking about haven't been a gamble. A gamble would be handing him way more than the budgeted figure on the promise or hope of European qualification. We haven't gambled, we've just recruited very badly.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 14, 2017 21:52:20 GMT
Making no decision, or deciding to keep Hughes, could be as costly. The thing is, he could keep him, we could survive, and we'll never know if we would have gone down or not if we had changed manager. Likewise we could change manager, survive, and we would never have known whether Hughes would have kept us up. I agree it's a huge decision but with every loss, keeping him seems to be the wrong move. I'm pretty certain the club has not identified a suitable replacement, whether they have tried or not I've no idea. It looks as though Coates believes Hughes can turn this round, as he has done before, and therefore that is the safest way to proceed. Trying to find a replacement quickly is risky and yet if Hughes loses the next few games the club might have to do that. Rather than fans slagging off Peter Coates they should have a lttle sympathy for him, he may have some difficult and tricky decisions to make and pressure from the club's own fans might not help him make the correct ones. This is the thing that irks most people... It shouldn't be that we're quickly trying to find a replacement. In any business, succession planning is essential, we should at the very least have started conversations with prospective managers in May, having decided to keep Hughes. If we didn't then, it's poor. If we still aren't now, it's blatantly negligent.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 14, 2017 21:52:29 GMT
I'm pretty certain the club has not identified a suitable replacement, whether they have tried or not I've no idea. It looks as though Coates believes Hughes can turn this round, as he has done before, and therefore that is the safest way to proceed. Trying to find a replacement quickly is risky and yet if Hughes loses the next few games the club might have to do that. Rather than fans slagging off Peter Coates they should have a lttle sympathy for him, he may have some difficult and tricky decisions to make and pressure from the club's own fans might not help him make the correct ones. He had the ideal opportunity to sort out a manager at the later end of last season, we were pretty dire most of last season most could see that evidenced by the minority who stayed behind to give a half hearted send off after our last home match, the writing was well and truly on the wall in Ten Foot high letters Coates ignored all the evidence and decided to keep lethargic Les and his team, he is now reaping the rewards for not acting on it. It's a valid point of view but perhaps Coates thought about, 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th and believed Hughes had some credit in the bank.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2017 22:07:09 GMT
It's a gamble that has failed spectacularly, £50 million outlay what return do you estimate we will get on that initial spend ? Our recruitment of high value players has been terrible, yes. But the amounts we're talking about haven't been a gamble. A gamble would be handing him way more than the budgeted figure on the promise or hope of European qualification. We haven't gambled, we've just recruited very badly. Let me get this into perspective, you are given a £50 million budget by your chairman to invest to take his business forward, you take the £50 million and spend it on three players, two with issues at their previous clubs, one who has only made seven appearances for his previous club, so you blow the whole budget on three players who in most peoples opinions based on the facts are gambles, all three fail in a spectacular fashion how do you believe the chairman would view the result of his investment.
a) good value for money thanks Les b) a fuckin balls up fuck off Les ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 14, 2017 22:08:00 GMT
I'm pretty certain the club has not identified a suitable replacement, whether they have tried or not I've no idea. It looks as though Coates believes Hughes can turn this round, as he has done before, and therefore that is the safest way to proceed. Trying to find a replacement quickly is risky and yet if Hughes loses the next few games the club might have to do that. Rather than fans slagging off Peter Coates they should have a lttle sympathy for him, he may have some difficult and tricky decisions to make and pressure from the club's own fans might not help him make the correct ones. This is the thing that irks most people... It shouldn't be that we're quickly trying to find a replacement. In any business, succession planning is essential, we should at the very least have started conversations with prospective managers in May, having decided to keep Hughes. If we didn't then, it's poor. If we still aren't now, it's blatantly negligent. Perhaps Hughes and Coates have an excellent working relationship and trust each other, in that respect the Chairman may have felt it was unethical to talk to other managers behind the back of his current manager, especially if he was happy with his overall performance.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 14, 2017 22:19:38 GMT
Our recruitment of high value players has been terrible, yes. But the amounts we're talking about haven't been a gamble. A gamble would be handing him way more than the budgeted figure on the promise or hope of European qualification. We haven't gambled, we've just recruited very badly. Let me get this into perspective, you are given a £50 million budget by your chairman to invest to take his business forward, you take the £50 million and spend it on three players, two with issues at their previous clubs, one who has only made seven appearances for his previous club, so you blow the whole budget on three players who in most peoples opinions based on the facts are gambles, all three fail in a spectacular fashion how do you believe the chairman would view the result of his investment.
a) good value for money thanks Les b) a fuckin balls up fuck off Les ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Every club has failed signings though and I think you're over complicating it. The board will give him a budget, he spends to that budget and is judged on results at the end of the season. Whether he blows his wad on 1 player or 10 players is irrelevant, and I suspect how they perform individually is of no consequence to the board - he's given an amount to spend, and an expectation of league position. If he spends to budget and achieves league position, job done. If this is true then the worrying thing is that the expectation for the season may simply be to survive, nothing more.
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Post by rrrrleek on Dec 14, 2017 22:20:24 GMT
Not watching. Dont want to here mr charisma.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 14, 2017 22:26:40 GMT
This is the thing that irks most people... It shouldn't be that we're quickly trying to find a replacement. In any business, succession planning is essential, we should at the very least have started conversations with prospective managers in May, having decided to keep Hughes. If we didn't then, it's poor. If we still aren't now, it's blatantly negligent. Perhaps Hughes and Coates have an excellent working relationship and trust each other, in that respect the Chairman may have felt it was unethical to talk to other managers behind the back of his current manager, especially if he was happy with his overall performance. If true this is at best risky and at worst incompetent, I'm afraid. Hughes knows how cut-throat the industry is and should expect the club to have contingencies in place. It's very gentlemanly to think that there's a code between them, but if he suddenly chose to leave - or needed to be sacked - every day that passes represents lost time for a new manager to come in and make an impact. I really do pray that we've got a shortlist ready and have already sounded those on the list out.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 14, 2017 22:30:19 GMT
Our recruitment of high value players has been terrible, yes. But the amounts we're talking about haven't been a gamble. A gamble would be handing him way more than the budgeted figure on the promise or hope of European qualification. We haven't gambled, we've just recruited very badly. Let me get this into perspective, you are given a £50 million budget by your chairman to invest to take his business forward, you take the £50 million and spend it on three players, two with issues at their previous clubs, one who has only made seven appearances for his previous club, so you blow the whole budget on three players who in most peoples opinions based on the facts are gambles, all three fail in a spectacular fashion how do you believe the chairman would view the result of his investment.
a) good value for money thanks Les b) a fuckin balls up fuck off Les ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Unless of course the manager said centre Half - sakho , maguire , Keane , centre midfield - lemina , Delph right back - soares right wing - Redmond and was told too dear , can't do the deals but the recruitment team have got Fletcher , choupo, Wimmer , Ramadan , Johnson , and a loan called Jesse if Arnie leaves and weve got top dollar for walters , Whelan and bardsley
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Post by 1982stokie on Dec 14, 2017 22:34:00 GMT
If Hughes had done well and got offered a big job he would have gone, so what would the club have done then. They absolutely must have some kind of list of managers
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2017 22:35:16 GMT
Let me get this into perspective, you are given a £50 million budget by your chairman to invest to take his business forward, you take the £50 million and spend it on three players, two with issues at their previous clubs, one who has only made seven appearances for his previous club, so you blow the whole budget on three players who in most peoples opinions based on the facts are gambles, all three fail in a spectacular fashion how do you believe the chairman would view the result of his investment.
a) good value for money thanks Les b) a fuckin balls up fuck off Les ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Unless of course the manager said centre Half - sakho , maguire , Keane , centre midfield - lemina , Delph right back - soares right wing - Redmond and was told too dear , can't do the deals but the recruitment team have got Fletcher , choupo, Wimmer , Ramadan , Johnson , and a loan called Jesse if Arnie leaves and weve got top dollar for walters , Whelan and bardsley how does that explain Berahinogoals and Imbula = £32 millon pissed up the wall ??????
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 14, 2017 22:49:31 GMT
Unless of course the manager said centre Half - sakho , maguire , Keane , centre midfield - lemina , Delph right back - soares right wing - Redmond and was told too dear , can't do the deals but the recruitment team have got Fletcher , choupo, Wimmer , Ramadan , Johnson , and a loan called Jesse if Arnie leaves and weve got top dollar for walters , Whelan and bardsley how does that explain Berahinogoals and Imbula = £32 millon pissed up the wall ?????? Well the same transfer team scouted them and did the due diligence , can't stand pulis but he made his utter disdain for the transfer set up very clear and perhaps his view is being vindicated . Not saying Hughes isn't culpable but something is far more rotten than a bloke who has only finished outside the top ten twice over a sustained period just becoming a bad manager
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Post by trulystoked on Dec 14, 2017 23:28:07 GMT
Unless of course the manager said centre Half - sakho , maguire , Keane , centre midfield - lemina , Delph right back - soares right wing - Redmond and was told too dear , can't do the deals but the recruitment team have got Fletcher , choupo, Wimmer , Ramadan , Johnson , and a loan called Jesse if Arnie leaves and weve got top dollar for walters , Whelan and bardsley how does that explain Berahinogoals and Imbula = £32 millon pissed up the wall ?????? But by the same logic, you must give him due credit for the profit he made on Arnie then?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 14, 2017 23:41:26 GMT
I'm pretty certain the club has not identified a suitable replacement, whether they have tried or not I've no idea. It looks as though Coates believes Hughes can turn this round, as he has done before, and therefore that is the safest way to proceed. Trying to find a replacement quickly is risky and yet if Hughes loses the next few games the club might have to do that. Rather than fans slagging off Peter Coates they should have a lttle sympathy for him, he may have some difficult and tricky decisions to make and pressure from the club's own fans might not help him make the correct ones. This is the thing that irks most people... It shouldn't be that we're quickly trying to find a replacement. In any business, succession planning is essential, we should at the very least have started conversations with prospective managers in May, having decided to keep Hughes. If we didn't then, it's poor. If we still aren't now, it's blatantly negligent. Blatantly negligent sits well with our current CEO see thread Definition of CEO
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 1:05:42 GMT
Imagine being hughes sitting around a table for the xmas do with the coates' knowing fine well hou have lost the plot, your big transfers are misfits or seeking a move on loan, 1 win in 7, regular thrashings, the most goals conceded in the league, media reports of a police escort from a train station following abuse from fans and then trying to find out what your January budget is well Coates has got the moet on tab
I'd fucking love to be a fly on the wall for the duration of that. Mark you shameless fucker 🤣
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Post by chrisparker on Dec 15, 2017 2:49:54 GMT
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 15, 2017 3:24:38 GMT
Anyone else hear that sigh as he left. 😂 That’s what I do when he gets these easy ass questions. Stoke’s journalists are a punch of pussyfooting fruitcakes. That kind of softness is killing this club.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 15, 2017 3:54:04 GMT
Anyone else hear that sigh as he left. 😂 That’s what I do when he gets these easy ass questions. Stoke’s journalists are a punch of pussyfooting fruitcakes. That kind of softness is killing this club. I asked Angela this very question on Knot FM last season. Apparently, the press office informs the “journalists” ahead of time what questions Hughes will not answer. If the dare to ask anyway, they won’t be invited back. These are pointless publicity opportunities (stunts) for the club. The only reason the do them at all is because they are required to by the league contract. They might just as well send out a press release and stop wasting everyone’s time.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 15, 2017 7:52:29 GMT
I in the Hughes out camp, but he is so good with the press conferences I almost change my mind.
Then I just remember what I see on the pitch. I just wish he could back up what he says with players performing to a clear game plan, and other players improving through good coaching
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 15, 2017 8:22:58 GMT
This has all the makings of how it was pre Pulis 'mutual consent' departure, Hughes spouting off about his non relegation badge of honour and praising the Coates family etc etc.. Let's hope the ultimate end is replicated.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 15, 2017 8:51:44 GMT
Watched it last night he's almost smug in the knowledge his position safe.
What a fucking circus
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 15, 2017 9:09:05 GMT
how does that explain Berahinogoals and Imbula = £32 millon pissed up the wall ?????? But by the same logic, you must give him due credit for the profit he made on Arnie then? Most certainly never disputed the Arnie signing.
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Post by Davef on Dec 15, 2017 9:43:06 GMT
This has all the makings of how it was pre Pulis 'mutual consent' departure, Hughes spouting off about his non relegation badge of honour and praising the Coates family etc etc.. Let's hope the ultimate end is replicated. He was also making the point last week that some fans have been out for him from the start, citing the "Hughes Out" van.
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