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Hughes in
Dec 12, 2017 22:28:31 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 12, 2017 22:28:31 GMT
For sure, why Hughes didn't sub Fletcher off is beyond me. He shouldn't have even started. Like I've said, his minds fucked. Fletcher has been a huge liability hasn't he? He has got to be left out. Midfield is such a massive problem for us. We never really get a foothold in the game And if we do get a foothold it's never for 90 minutes but Hughes refuses to freshen up that area of the pitch at all or until it's too late.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 12, 2017 22:28:37 GMT
For sure, why Hughes didn't sub Fletcher off is beyond me. He shouldn't have even started. Like I've said, his minds fucked. Fletcher has been a huge liability hasn't he? He has got to be left out. Midfield is such a massive problem for us. We never really get a foothold in the game He had two good games which seems to have made him undroppable to Hughes.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 12, 2017 22:31:40 GMT
Stoke manager Mark Hughes: " Don't tell me that anyone says Burnley deserved to win that, because they didn't. The lads are devastated, they didn't deserve that. "We'll be OK, we're fine. We are working hard to try and turn this around but I am encouraged by what I've seen tonight. " Burnley play on percentages, they hope something will drop for them and they are making a habit of it."
He's just said exactly that to Nigel Johnson!
#getoutofmyclub
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 12, 2017 22:34:37 GMT
If we are to have a fighting chance of survival we have to bring in a big player in that midfield to help out Allen. We have weaknesses all over, but if we can get in a physically dominant midfielder to help Allen it will help other areas of the team function better, we can get the ball higher up the pitch, get it to shaq and choupo higher up. Turn around possession more etc.
My mate went the game and compared fletcher to a dog as it is about to settle down in its basket, turning around three times before he lets the pass go
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 12, 2017 22:35:27 GMT
Neither team deserved to win that game.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 12, 2017 22:35:57 GMT
If Denise Coates isn't smashing merry hell out of Hughes's rectum with the biggest fucking spiked dildo she's got in her drawer, I don't know what she's playing at.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 12, 2017 22:37:35 GMT
Neither team deserved to win that game.
Burnley deserved to win that game Sheikhy.
The substitutions that each of the manager's made said it all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 22:38:24 GMT
If Denise Coates isn't smashing merry hell out of Hughes's rectum with the biggest fucking spiked dildo she's got in her drawer, I don't know what she's playing at. Good old Dennis.
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Post by stokie23 on Dec 12, 2017 22:38:40 GMT
The performance today says a lot about the state of the players minds and today we were by far the better team. To lose it is gutting but sooner or later our luck will change. The players themselves worked so hard for their manager and have clearly not lost faith in him so neither should we. Hold your nerve guys! HUGHES IN!! (tin hat on) If we were 17 games into Hughes’ 3rd season, I think I would agree you. But this has been going on for far too long now. The issues started 18 months ago and he hasn’t put it right, infact he consistantly makes bad decisions from team selection and formations to tactics and substitutions. Don’t get me started on his pathetic post match interviews, infact any of his condescending comments.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 12, 2017 22:40:19 GMT
Neither team deserved to win that game.
Burnley deserved to win that game Sheikhy.
The substitutions that each of the manager's made said it all.
I really don't think they did. They scored with their only chance of the night. I'm not defending Hughes, I nearly threw my phone out of the window when he took Shaq off but Burnley were lucky as fuck to get 3 points out of that. They were terrible.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 12, 2017 22:41:04 GMT
I think there's a lot of truth in what Hughes says about Burnley.
Incredibly lucky team and it will have to run out soon.
I thought we were a lot brighter than I was expecting for the first 35-40 minutes and won the first half on points by quite a clear margin.
Second half was exactly the kind of scrappy shitfest of a match I was expecting, and it's the kind Burnley always seem to nick 1-0.
Over the game, certainly no team deserved to win it - and it descended into an absolutely shocking match.
Has he done enough to last 'til Saturday? Probably IMO. It sounds like it would have taken a tonking to see him go tonight and Coates seeing a committed (if pretty unremarkable) display will probably see him fight on until West Ham.
But you'd think anything but a win would see him out by Monday.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 12, 2017 22:45:00 GMT
Burnley deserved to win that game Sheikhy.
The substitutions that each of the manager's made said it all.
I really don't think they did. They scored with their only chance of the night. I'm not defending Hughes, I nearly threw my phone out of the window when he took Shaq off but Burnley were lucky as fuck to get 3 points out of that. They were terrible.
Hughes tried to protect a point with his substitution and Dyche went for all three points with both of his subs.
Yes Burnley were terrible and if Hughes had the remotest ability to affect a game with his in match decision making then we could have come away with a win but he simply doesn't have a clue what to do.
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Hughes in
Dec 12, 2017 23:02:06 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 12, 2017 23:02:06 GMT
Neither team deserved to win that game.
Burnley deserved to win that game Sheikhy.
The substitutions that each of the manager's made said it all.
Burnley make the same subs every game. I don't care how much people moan or how bad we may or may not be but they are no better than us. They are just luckier. How the hell crouch got 90 minutes though is beyond me.
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Hughes in
Dec 12, 2017 23:04:54 GMT
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Post by lordb on Dec 12, 2017 23:04:54 GMT
Neither team deserved to win that game.
Burnley deserved to win that game Sheikhy.
The substitutions that each of the manager's made said it all.
Two shots on target against a side in deep shit, nah they didn't.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 12, 2017 23:28:35 GMT
I'm still in the Hughes in camp although I don't go to away games anymore so my frustration is halved. I think we're a better team than we were in the last couple of seasons. Hughes has changed things tactically which I feel (based on no empirical evidence) makes us more fluid going forward. I also feel like we've improved at set pieces. Obviously there's huge room for improvement but I feel we're actually on a slight upcurve.
The problems Hughes has include the team giving up after feeling like a game is lost and the abysmal signings he's made. It would be great to know what role he played in the transfers. I'm sure people on here will know much more than me but I put Imbula square at his feet. The recent comments about Berahino are incredible and Wimmer is looking like a questionable signing considering we're down 18m and I can't be sure he's any better than Muniesa.
I don't believe he'll get us relegated and see it as a risk to change now. I wouldn't mind seeing us take a risk with his replacement and getting Rowett in or someone similar but definitely wait till the summer and give the replacement a full summer.
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Post by westgatelakes on Dec 12, 2017 23:49:45 GMT
Sorry but neither team deserved to win. It was a poor game, championship standard at best, settled by one decent finish, but Burnley did not deserve to win and neither did Stoke.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 13, 2017 0:04:07 GMT
Agree - Hughes in......to therapy - he's becoming more deluded by the day........either heading for meltdown or just taking the piss (and the cash) - I cannot tell....
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Post by professorplump on Dec 13, 2017 0:44:52 GMT
If there’s one thing I hate in football, it’s the “we were the better team”. We lost, so therefore we were not the better team, we were in fact, fucking pitiful. The only place Hughes should be in is an A1 skip. That's just bollocks. Have you really never seen a match where the better side lost?
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Hughes in
Dec 13, 2017 1:08:49 GMT
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Post by 4evastoke on Dec 13, 2017 1:08:49 GMT
Do you think we could Sue scfc for taking money under false pretty lol
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 13, 2017 13:37:19 GMT
Sorry but neither team deserved to win. It was a poor game, championship standard at best, settled by one decent finish, but Burnley did not deserve to win and neither did Stoke. I didn't see the match, but Stoke had 7 shots on target to Burnley's 2.
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Post by mrred on Dec 13, 2017 13:57:33 GMT
Burnley were without 3 of their main back 4. We supposedly had a good game and still couldn't get a goal. Fucking. Weak.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Dec 13, 2017 15:44:16 GMT
Its so easy to blame Mark Hughes for everything. Its about time the players took some responsibility for the situation w are in
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2017 17:30:54 GMT
Its so easy to blame Mark Hughes for everything. Its about time the players took some responsibility for the situation w are in Tbh they have in public, when has Hughes taken any responsibility for the clusterfuck he has made ?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 13, 2017 21:14:15 GMT
Our last 7 games have seen us beat Watford with solid defending, draw with Leicester who are decent, draw at Brighton, chuck away 3 points at Palace, struggle against Liverpool but suffer a shocking refereeing decision, beat Swansea, collapse at Spurs and lose a game neither side deserved to win at Burnley. 8 points from 7 games but 11 would not have flattered us.
In a league in which it might be 6 points separating 10 teams after tonight that run is not so dire as to suggest a sacking is the only option. The question is who would do better, there could be the short term bounce but long term I would need to be sure we are improving things. Benitez would be an option but who else?
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Hughes in
Dec 13, 2017 21:39:19 GMT
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Post by shangamuzo on Dec 13, 2017 21:39:19 GMT
If there’s one thing I hate in football, it’s the “we were the better team”. We lost, so therefore we were not the better team, we were in fact, fucking pitiful. The only place Hughes should be in is an A1 skip. That's just bollocks. Have you really never seen a match where the better side lost? A thousand times but great swathes of fans couldn't give a fuck about performance. Only the result counts.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 13, 2017 21:40:12 GMT
Our last 7 games have seen us beat Watford with solid defending, draw with Leicester who are decent, draw at Brighton, chuck away 3 points at Palace, struggle against Liverpool but suffer a shocking refereeing decision, beat Swansea, collapse at Spurs and lose a game neither side deserved to win at Burnley. 8 points from 7 games but 11 would not have flattered us. In a league in which it might be 6 points separating 10 teams after tonight that run is not so dire as to suggest a sacking is the only option. The question is who would do better, there could be the short term bounce but long term I would need to be sure we are improving things. Benitez would be an option but who else? I dearly wish Hughes can get us out of the mess we are in. Benitez would not leave Newcastle for Stoke. Who else? I posted much of the following on the West Ham match thread: I really want to "pass" on the question of whom I would replace Hughes with. It is not just a question of who is good enough, but also who would accept the role. I would not have wanted to appoint one of the "old guard" who have replaced recent sackings, those clubs are welcome to them. The issue that has to be addressed in the short-term is defending, which a number of managers are capable of doing, notably Pulis. But there is also the question of motivating a number of our players to fulfill their potential, Koeman fails on that count, as by all accounts he is not an inspiring manager. I also think that using the "big stick" as Keane might do, would not work with modern very rich footballers. It might have worked for Ferguson managing ManU who can dump anyone and go and get another world class player, but Stoke City are not in that position and have to work within a budget. If put against a wall and threatened for an answer, I think I would have to say Karanka. Why Karanka, especially as I have been chastised on this MB for saying I would avoid a Latin person, and Karanka did "go missing" at one time? Firstly he was very highly thought of at Middlesbrough, by a local businessman owner like PC; he will understand the set up. He was handicapped by not being able to get top quality goal scorers at Middlesbrough, but his coaching led to sound defending. We already has some very useful forwards at Stoke and our goal scoring is not an issue. Being 44 he will have more empathy with the players, than an old manager, and still be old enough to command respect, and young enough to have learnt from his mistakes and be a better Prem. manager from his experience at Middlesbrough. He will come with the tag of "failure" but then so did Hughes, and he would be all the keener to prove himself and doesn't carry any baggage like being a legend with our opponents.
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