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Post by alster on Feb 16, 2018 11:09:21 GMT
Peter (Lord) Coates sell the Club?? You're having a laugh aren't you. Unless of course he reads this message board and thinks... What a bunch of ungrateful twats. Denise... what do you think? You know what I think dad. There you go you've summed up the problem. The person with the real power is at best ambivalent towards the club.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 16, 2018 11:29:47 GMT
I’d say Happy Chinese NewYear MrChinaman, Fancy sharing an expensive hobby with a load of blokes from Stoke!?!
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2018 11:54:55 GMT
Peter (Lord) Coates sell the Club?? You're having a laugh aren't you. Unless of course he reads this message board and thinks... What a bunch of ungrateful twats. Denise... what do you think? You know what I think dad. There you go you've summed up the problem. The person with the real power is at best ambivalent towards the club. I think we all know what the problem is. As soon as Lord Peter uttered the "self-sufficiency" phrase 2(?) years ago it was pretty obvious. That problem has been compounded by the waste of 50 million GBP on three high profile toss signings. A Club like Stoke cannot afford that. Coupled with the fact that certainly one of the signings wasn't needed tactically it's turned into a right clusterf*c Just don't think that new owners are on the horizon at this moment. It baffles me why some of these mega rich people take on the likes of West Brom and Wolves. Do they expect to make some serious money or is it just a vehicle for something else or even a showing off plaything?
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Post by alster on Feb 16, 2018 12:45:16 GMT
There you go you've summed up the problem. The person with the real power is at best ambivalent towards the club. I think we all know what the problem is. As soon as Lord Peter uttered the "self-sufficiency" phrase 2(?) years ago it was pretty obvious. That problem has been compounded by the waste of 50 million GBP on three high profile toss signings. A Club like Stoke cannot afford that. Coupled with the fact that certainly one of the signings wasn't needed tactically it's turned into a right clusterf*c Just don't think that new owners are on the horizon at this moment. It baffles me why some of these mega rich people take on the likes of West Brom and Wolves. Do they expect to make some serious money or is it just a vehicle for something else or even a showing off plaything? Rich mans plaything, vanity project. I've got no problem with it. The football authorities should prevent these people from saddling their clubs with debts and let them play their games, FFP was a tool to lock in the status quo and therefore unsporting. Given where the bulk of the money comes from there is nothing preventing very wealthy investors taking the most obscure club to the very top if they have the will and financial muscle, which is exactly what Man City's owners have done. The size of the city, supporter base, history of their chosen club is quite irrelevant. Enough money buys you success, success grows the supporter base it really isn't as regional as yourself and many others on here like to make out. The Coates have the financial muscle to establish Stoke as one of the elite and by and large the investment required to bring that success would be reflected in the market value of the club(see the value of Man City in the link I posted at over £2Billion they've thrown a lot of money at it but its reflected in the value of the club, its not simply been money down the drain even in hard nosed financial terms).
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2018 12:53:24 GMT
I think we all know what the problem is. As soon as Lord Peter uttered the "self-sufficiency" phrase 2(?) years ago it was pretty obvious. That problem has been compounded by the waste of 50 million GBP on three high profile toss signings. A Club like Stoke cannot afford that. Coupled with the fact that certainly one of the signings wasn't needed tactically it's turned into a right clusterf*c Just don't think that new owners are on the horizon at this moment. It baffles me why some of these mega rich people take on the likes of West Brom and Wolves. Do they expect to make some serious money or is it just a vehicle for something else or even a showing off plaything? Rich mans plaything, vanity project. I've got no problem with it. The football authorities should prevent these people from saddling their clubs with debts and let them play their games, FFP was a tool to lock in the status quo and therefore unsporting. Given where the bulk of the money comes from there is nothing preventing very wealthy investors taking the most obscure club to the very top if they have the will and financial muscle, which is exactly what Man City's owners have done. The size of the city, supporter base, history of their chosen club is quite irrelevant. Enough money buys you success, success grows the supporter base it really isn't as regional as yourself and many others on here like to make out. The Coates have the financial muscle to establish Stoke as one of the elite and by and large the investment required to bring that success would be reflected in the market value of the club(see the value of Man City in the link I posted at over £2Billion they've thrown a lot of money at it but its reflected in the value of the club, its not simply been money down the drain even in hard nosed financial terms). You mean like Jack Walker did??
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2018 13:02:55 GMT
I think we all know what the problem is. As soon as Lord Peter uttered the "self-sufficiency" phrase 2(?) years ago it was pretty obvious. That problem has been compounded by the waste of 50 million GBP on three high profile toss signings. A Club like Stoke cannot afford that. Coupled with the fact that certainly one of the signings wasn't needed tactically it's turned into a right clusterf*c Just don't think that new owners are on the horizon at this moment. It baffles me why some of these mega rich people take on the likes of West Brom and Wolves. Do they expect to make some serious money or is it just a vehicle for something else or even a showing off plaything? Rich mans plaything, vanity project. I've got no problem with it. The football authorities should prevent these people from saddling their clubs with debts and let them play their games, FFP was a tool to lock in the status quo and therefore unsporting. Given where the bulk of the money comes from there is nothing preventing very wealthy investors taking the most obscure club to the very top if they have the will and financial muscle, which is exactly what Man City's owners have done. The size of the city, supporter base, history of their chosen club is quite irrelevant. Enough money buys you success, success grows the supporter base it really isn't as regional as yourself and many others on here like to make out. The Coates have the financial muscle to establish Stoke as one of the elite and by and large the investment required to bring that success would be reflected in the market value of the club(see the value of Man City in the link I posted at over £2Billion they've thrown a lot of money at it but its reflected in the value of the club, its not simply been money down the drain even in hard nosed financial terms). So according to your theory West Brom should be challenging for the title next year eh? Zillionaire Chinese owner. 250 million purchase from Peace.
And on the geography note (even though it wasn't me mentioned it) ... out of 118 League titles , 72 have been from London, Manchester and Liverpool.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 13:26:06 GMT
I’d say Happy Chinese NewYear MrChinaman, Fancy sharing an expensive hobby with a load of blokes from Stoke!?! Indeed the prices of Hornby Trains are getting silly , not to mention Wren.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 13:36:59 GMT
Rich mans plaything, vanity project. I've got no problem with it. The football authorities should prevent these people from saddling their clubs with debts and let them play their games, FFP was a tool to lock in the status quo and therefore unsporting. Given where the bulk of the money comes from there is nothing preventing very wealthy investors taking the most obscure club to the very top if they have the will and financial muscle, which is exactly what Man City's owners have done. The size of the city, supporter base, history of their chosen club is quite irrelevant. Enough money buys you success, success grows the supporter base it really isn't as regional as yourself and many others on here like to make out. The Coates have the financial muscle to establish Stoke as one of the elite and by and large the investment required to bring that success would be reflected in the market value of the club(see the value of Man City in the link I posted at over £2Billion they've thrown a lot of money at it but its reflected in the value of the club, its not simply been money down the drain even in hard nosed financial terms). So according to your theory West Brom should be challenging for the title next year eh? Zillionaire Chinese owner. 250 million purchase from Peace.
And on the geography note (even though it wasn't me mentioned it) ... out of 118 League titles , 72 have been from London, Manchester and Liverpool.
That figure of league wins may well be true however, when was the last time anyone put serious money into any other club? Those clubs are the fashionable clubs and an obvious target for investors. That doesn't say that putting Billions into Port Vale would not see them rise to the top. It just says that not many investors would want to do it. In the same way not many would build a mansion in the middle of Blurton as the area would have a detrimental effect on the value. It would still be a mansion though^. Chelsea still only average a 39,000 crowd which imo would be surpassed if we had a team as good as theirs for a 10 year period and filled in a few corners to make it possible.
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 16, 2018 13:38:18 GMT
Peter would say no - if he had passed away before the enquiry came, Denise would snap their hands off.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2018 13:50:28 GMT
So according to your theory West Brom should be challenging for the title next year eh? Zillionaire Chinese owner. 250 million purchase from Peace.
And on the geography note (even though it wasn't me mentioned it) ... out of 118 League titles , 72 have been from London, Manchester and Liverpool.
That figure of league wins may well be true however, when was the last time anyone put serious money into any other club? Those clubs are the fashionable clubs and an obvious target for investors. That doesn't say that putting Billions into Port Vale would not see them rise to the top. It just says that not many investors would want to do it. In the same way not many would build a mansion in the middle of Blurton as the area would have a detrimental effect on the value. It would still be a mansion though^. Chelsea still only average a 39,000 crowd which imo would be surpassed if we had a team as good as theirs for a 10 year period and filled in a few corners to make it possible. Without wishing to split hairs... Chelsea capacity 41,000... Prem average over 40k. Jezza post spot on above.
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Post by alster on Feb 16, 2018 14:16:54 GMT
Rich mans plaything, vanity project. I've got no problem with it. The football authorities should prevent these people from saddling their clubs with debts and let them play their games, FFP was a tool to lock in the status quo and therefore unsporting. Given where the bulk of the money comes from there is nothing preventing very wealthy investors taking the most obscure club to the very top if they have the will and financial muscle, which is exactly what Man City's owners have done. The size of the city, supporter base, history of their chosen club is quite irrelevant. Enough money buys you success, success grows the supporter base it really isn't as regional as yourself and many others on here like to make out. The Coates have the financial muscle to establish Stoke as one of the elite and by and large the investment required to bring that success would be reflected in the market value of the club(see the value of Man City in the link I posted at over £2Billion they've thrown a lot of money at it but its reflected in the value of the club, its not simply been money down the drain even in hard nosed financial terms). So according to your theory West Brom should be challenging for the title next year eh? Zillionaire Chinese owner. 250 million purchase from Peace.
And on the geography note (even though it wasn't me mentioned it) ... out of 118 League titles , 72 have been from London, Manchester and Liverpool.
Obviously not their owner/s aren't investing the sort of money that has you challenging for the title. According to my theory if they did they could. On your second point money is a far greater indicator in modern football than history just as Man City have proved if you are determined enough and able to just keep investing in getting better and better you can break into the elite group of clubs. Pure wealth rather than fanbase, catchment area, commercial potential or history can get you there your success builds up most of the rest, actual bums on seats is pretty irrelevant.
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Post by skip on Feb 16, 2018 14:21:19 GMT
That figure of league wins may well be true however, when was the last time anyone put serious money into any other club? Those clubs are the fashionable clubs and an obvious target for investors. That doesn't say that putting Billions into Port Vale would not see them rise to the top. It just says that not many investors would want to do it. In the same way not many would build a mansion in the middle of Blurton as the area would have a detrimental effect on the value. It would still be a mansion though^. Chelsea still only average a 39,000 crowd which imo would be surpassed if we had a team as good as theirs for a 10 year period and filled in a few corners to make it possible. Without wishing to split hairs... Chelsea capacity 41,000... Prem average over 40k. Jezza post spot on above. As you may or not know, the builders on site at White Hart Lane refer to the new ground, such as its magnitude and magnificence, as 'the Wembley killer'. Chelsea are apparently now interested in a White Hart Lane killer. No typical clubs can compete with this madness.
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Post by alster on Feb 16, 2018 14:41:00 GMT
Without wishing to split hairs... Chelsea capacity 41,000... Prem average over 40k. Jezza post spot on above. As you may or not know, the builders on site at White Hart Lane refer to the new ground, such as its magnitude and magnificence, as 'the Wembley killer'. Chelsea are apparently now interested in a White Hart Lane killer. No typical clubs can compete with this madness. As in typical clubs that won't invest ?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 16, 2018 14:44:01 GMT
I think we all know what the problem is. As soon as Lord Peter uttered the "self-sufficiency" phrase 2(?) years ago it was pretty obvious. That problem has been compounded by the waste of 50 million GBP on three high profile toss signings. A Club like Stoke cannot afford that. Coupled with the fact that certainly one of the signings wasn't needed tactically it's turned into a right clusterf*c Just don't think that new owners are on the horizon at this moment. It baffles me why some of these mega rich people take on the likes of West Brom and Wolves. Do they expect to make some serious money or is it just a vehicle for something else or even a showing off plaything? Rich mans plaything, vanity project. I've got no problem with it. The football authorities should prevent these people from saddling their clubs with debts and let them play their games, FFP was a tool to lock in the status quo and therefore unsporting. Given where the bulk of the money comes from there is nothing preventing very wealthy investors taking the most obscure club to the very top if they have the will and financial muscle, which is exactly what Man City's owners have done. The size of the city, supporter base, history of their chosen club is quite irrelevant. Enough money buys you success, success grows the supporter base it really isn't as regional as yourself and many others on here like to make out. The Coates have the financial muscle to establish Stoke as one of the elite and by and large the investment required to bring that success would be reflected in the market value of the club(see the value of Man City in the link I posted at over £2Billion they've thrown a lot of money at it but its reflected in the value of the club, its not simply been money down the drain even in hard nosed financial terms). Manchester City were hardly "the most obscure club". They have a rich history and despite problems of the past twenty years or so were already well established in the top half or the Premier League before Mansour decided to plunder his nations wealth to amuse himself. They also were a uniquely placed as a counterpoint to Manchester United - arguably the biggest club on the planet. If you want a cautionary tale of chucking money at an obscure club take Brookes Mileson at Gretna. Financed their rise to the SPL and a Scottish Cup Final only to get sick and die. His family wanted no more to do with the club and so they went bust. No parallels to be drawn there then. As for breaking into the elite - who are they? Madrid - metropolitan pop 6.5 million Barcelona 5.5m Munich pop 2.6m Paris 11m London 8.7m Turin 2.2m Manchester 2.5m Merseyside 1.38m Stoke on Trent - er 26Ok It's ok saying there's "nothing stopping" someone taking a regional club and breaking into the elite - but it would be a lot more believable if someone had actually done it. And even if you were going to attempt it - then it might be more affordable or achievable in another league than the Premier - but even Leipzig was chosen for a reason - a population of 1.1m but with the potential to represent pretty much of the whole of the old east vs the rest of the old western dominate Bundesliga
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Post by alster on Feb 16, 2018 14:51:42 GMT
Rich mans plaything, vanity project. I've got no problem with it. The football authorities should prevent these people from saddling their clubs with debts and let them play their games, FFP was a tool to lock in the status quo and therefore unsporting. Given where the bulk of the money comes from there is nothing preventing very wealthy investors taking the most obscure club to the very top if they have the will and financial muscle, which is exactly what Man City's owners have done. The size of the city, supporter base, history of their chosen club is quite irrelevant. Enough money buys you success, success grows the supporter base it really isn't as regional as yourself and many others on here like to make out. The Coates have the financial muscle to establish Stoke as one of the elite and by and large the investment required to bring that success would be reflected in the market value of the club(see the value of Man City in the link I posted at over £2Billion they've thrown a lot of money at it but its reflected in the value of the club, its not simply been money down the drain even in hard nosed financial terms). You mean like Jack Walker did?? Exactly like Jack Walker did yes. Walker showed how a small town club could be propelled into the elite group of teams. Why scoff at what Walker did? It didn't go wrong in his lifetime it went wrong by him not finding someone to take up the torch from him instead he bequeathed what seemed at the time to be a hell of a lot of money into a trust to provide for Blackburn's future but football hyper inflation soon made what seemed like a lot of money a fairly insignificant amount in football terms that was soon gobbled up. The more you seem to dig the more you destroy your own argument. There is no closed shop in English football, people don't like the fact that it takes cold hard cash to break into the elite group rather than fairy stories and romance. It's time they grew up.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2018 14:54:42 GMT
Rich mans plaything, vanity project. I've got no problem with it. The football authorities should prevent these people from saddling their clubs with debts and let them play their games, FFP was a tool to lock in the status quo and therefore unsporting. Given where the bulk of the money comes from there is nothing preventing very wealthy investors taking the most obscure club to the very top if they have the will and financial muscle, which is exactly what Man City's owners have done. The size of the city, supporter base, history of their chosen club is quite irrelevant. Enough money buys you success, success grows the supporter base it really isn't as regional as yourself and many others on here like to make out. The Coates have the financial muscle to establish Stoke as one of the elite and by and large the investment required to bring that success would be reflected in the market value of the club(see the value of Man City in the link I posted at over £2Billion they've thrown a lot of money at it but its reflected in the value of the club, its not simply been money down the drain even in hard nosed financial terms). Manchester City were hardly "the most obscure club". They have a rich history and despite problems of the past twenty years or so were already well established in the top half or the Premier League before Mansour decided to plunder his nations wealth to amuse himself. They also were a uniquely placed as a counterpoint to Manchester United - arguably the biggest club on the planet. If you want a cautionary tale of chucking money at an obscure club take Brookes Mileson at Gretna. Financed their rise to the SPL and a Scottish Cup Final only to get sick and die. His family wanted no more to do with the club and so they went bust. No parallels to be drawn there then. As for breaking into the elite - who are they? Madrid - metropolitan pop 6.5 million Barcelona 5.5m Munich pop 2.6m Paris 11m London 8.7m Turin 2.2m Manchester 2.5m Merseyside 1.38m Stoke on Trent - er 26Ok It's ok saying there's "nothing stopping" someone taking a regional club and breaking into the elite - but it would be a lot more believable if someone had actually done it. And even if you were going to attempt it - then it might be more affordable or achievable in another league than the Premier - but even Leipzig was chosen for a reason - a population of 1.1m but with the potential to represent pretty much of the whole of the old east vs the rest of the old western dominate Bundesliga I'd give up Seymour... He thinks some Chinese/Arab/Russian billionaire is going to pump 750 million pounds into SCFC.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2018 14:56:51 GMT
You mean like Jack Walker did?? Exactly like Jack Walker did yes. Walker showed how a small town club could be propelled into the elite group of teams. Why scoff at what Walker did? It didn't go wrong in his lifetime it went wrong by him not finding someone to take up the torch from him instead he bequeathed what seemed at the time to be a hell of a lot of money into a trust to provide for Blackburn's future but football hyper inflation soon made what seemed like a lot of money a fairly insignificant amount in football terms that was soon gobbled up. The more you seem to dig the more you destroy your own argument. There is no closed shop in English football, people don't like the fact that it takes cold hard cash to break into the elite group rather than fairy stories and romance. It's time they grew up. Tell me again how many different teams have won the Premier League and where they come from.
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Post by alster on Feb 16, 2018 15:05:19 GMT
Rich mans plaything, vanity project. I've got no problem with it. The football authorities should prevent these people from saddling their clubs with debts and let them play their games, FFP was a tool to lock in the status quo and therefore unsporting. Given where the bulk of the money comes from there is nothing preventing very wealthy investors taking the most obscure club to the very top if they have the will and financial muscle, which is exactly what Man City's owners have done. The size of the city, supporter base, history of their chosen club is quite irrelevant. Enough money buys you success, success grows the supporter base it really isn't as regional as yourself and many others on here like to make out. The Coates have the financial muscle to establish Stoke as one of the elite and by and large the investment required to bring that success would be reflected in the market value of the club(see the value of Man City in the link I posted at over £2Billion they've thrown a lot of money at it but its reflected in the value of the club, its not simply been money down the drain even in hard nosed financial terms). Manchester City were hardly "the most obscure club". They have a rich history and despite problems of the past twenty years or so were already well established in the top half or the Premier League before Mansour decided to plunder his nations wealth to amuse himself. They also were a uniquely placed as a counterpoint to Manchester United - arguably the biggest club on the planet. If you want a cautionary tale of chucking money at an obscure club take Brookes Mileson at Gretna. Financed their rise to the SPL and a Scottish Cup Final only to get sick and die. His family wanted no more to do with the club and so they went bust. No parallels to be drawn there then. As for breaking into the elite - who are they? Madrid - metropolitan pop 6.5 million Barcelona 5.5m Munich pop 2.6m Paris 11m London 8.7m Turin 2.2m Manchester 2.5m Merseyside 1.38m Stoke on Trent - er 26Ok It's ok saying there's "nothing stopping" someone taking a regional club and breaking into the elite - but it would be a lot more believable if someone had actually done it. And even if you were going to attempt it - then it might be more affordable or achievable in another league than the Premier - but even Leipzig was chosen for a reason - a population of 1.1m but with the potential to represent pretty much of the whole of the old east vs the rest of the old western dominate Bundesliga The fact that your bloke did it at Gretna and Jack Walker did it at Blackburn simply show that you are wrong just like Man City and Chelsea. If you keep the investment big enough for long enough you can break into the elite. Those people didn't do a great job of any sort of succession planning obviously but your whole catchment area argument is pretty much bollocks people buy into success anyway, provide the success your supporter base would dwarf the population of Stoke-on-Trent not that its a massively limiting factor anyway.
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Post by alster on Feb 16, 2018 15:07:06 GMT
Manchester City were hardly "the most obscure club". They have a rich history and despite problems of the past twenty years or so were already well established in the top half or the Premier League before Mansour decided to plunder his nations wealth to amuse himself. They also were a uniquely placed as a counterpoint to Manchester United - arguably the biggest club on the planet. If you want a cautionary tale of chucking money at an obscure club take Brookes Mileson at Gretna. Financed their rise to the SPL and a Scottish Cup Final only to get sick and die. His family wanted no more to do with the club and so they went bust. No parallels to be drawn there then. As for breaking into the elite - who are they? Madrid - metropolitan pop 6.5 million Barcelona 5.5m Munich pop 2.6m Paris 11m London 8.7m Turin 2.2m Manchester 2.5m Merseyside 1.38m Stoke on Trent - er 26Ok It's ok saying there's "nothing stopping" someone taking a regional club and breaking into the elite - but it would be a lot more believable if someone had actually done it. And even if you were going to attempt it - then it might be more affordable or achievable in another league than the Premier - but even Leipzig was chosen for a reason - a population of 1.1m but with the potential to represent pretty much of the whole of the old east vs the rest of the old western dominate Bundesliga I'd give up Seymour... He thinks some Chinese/Arab/Russian billionaire is going to pump 750 million pounds into SCFC.
You are just making crap up now. Discussing the feasibility of it does not indicate I think its about to happen. Why do they have to be foreign the Coates' could easily afford to make that sort of investment there just isn't the will there to do it.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 16, 2018 15:09:34 GMT
Manchester City were hardly "the most obscure club". They have a rich history and despite problems of the past twenty years or so were already well established in the top half or the Premier League before Mansour decided to plunder his nations wealth to amuse himself. They also were a uniquely placed as a counterpoint to Manchester United - arguably the biggest club on the planet. If you want a cautionary tale of chucking money at an obscure club take Brookes Mileson at Gretna. Financed their rise to the SPL and a Scottish Cup Final only to get sick and die. His family wanted no more to do with the club and so they went bust. No parallels to be drawn there then. As for breaking into the elite - who are they? Madrid - metropolitan pop 6.5 million Barcelona 5.5m Munich pop 2.6m Paris 11m London 8.7m Turin 2.2m Manchester 2.5m Merseyside 1.38m Stoke on Trent - er 26Ok It's ok saying there's "nothing stopping" someone taking a regional club and breaking into the elite - but it would be a lot more believable if someone had actually done it. And even if you were going to attempt it - then it might be more affordable or achievable in another league than the Premier - but even Leipzig was chosen for a reason - a population of 1.1m but with the potential to represent pretty much of the whole of the old east vs the rest of the old western dominate Bundesliga The fact that your bloke did it at Gretna and Jack Walker did it at Blackburn simply show that you are wrong just like Man City and Chelsea. If you keep the investment big enough for long enough you can break into the elite. Those people didn't do a great job of any sort of succession planning obviously but your whole catchment area argument is pretty much bollocks people buy into success anyway, provide the success your supporter base would dwarf the population of Stoke-on-Trent not that its a massively limiting factor anyway. You can come back and tell me I'm talking bollocks when someone's actually done it. In the meantime history is pretty much on my side.
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Post by alster on Feb 16, 2018 15:15:29 GMT
The fact that your bloke did it at Gretna and Jack Walker did it at Blackburn simply show that you are wrong just like Man City and Chelsea. If you keep the investment big enough for long enough you can break into the elite. Those people didn't do a great job of any sort of succession planning obviously but your whole catchment area argument is pretty much bollocks people buy into success anyway, provide the success your supporter base would dwarf the population of Stoke-on-Trent not that its a massively limiting factor anyway. You can come back and tell me I'm talking bollocks when someone's actually done it. In the meantime history is pretty much on my side. Yeah I'm sure most people allow history to limit them but pesky people come along every so often and prove their boundaries to be non existent.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2018 15:15:40 GMT
Manchester City were hardly "the most obscure club". They have a rich history and despite problems of the past twenty years or so were already well established in the top half or the Premier League before Mansour decided to plunder his nations wealth to amuse himself. They also were a uniquely placed as a counterpoint to Manchester United - arguably the biggest club on the planet. If you want a cautionary tale of chucking money at an obscure club take Brookes Mileson at Gretna. Financed their rise to the SPL and a Scottish Cup Final only to get sick and die. His family wanted no more to do with the club and so they went bust. No parallels to be drawn there then. As for breaking into the elite - who are they? Madrid - metropolitan pop 6.5 million Barcelona 5.5m Munich pop 2.6m Paris 11m London 8.7m Turin 2.2m Manchester 2.5m Merseyside 1.38m Stoke on Trent - er 26Ok It's ok saying there's "nothing stopping" someone taking a regional club and breaking into the elite - but it would be a lot more believable if someone had actually done it. And even if you were going to attempt it - then it might be more affordable or achievable in another league than the Premier - but even Leipzig was chosen for a reason - a population of 1.1m but with the potential to represent pretty much of the whole of the old east vs the rest of the old western dominate Bundesliga The fact that your bloke did it at Gretna and Jack Walker did it at Blackburn simply show that you are wrong just like Man City and Chelsea. If you keep the investment big enough for long enough you can break into the elite. Those people didn't do a great job of any sort of succession planning obviously but your whole catchment area argument is pretty much bollocks people buy into success anyway, provide the success your supporter base would dwarf the population of Stoke-on-Trent not that its a massively limiting factor anyway. Let's get this right... You're having a moan at the Coates Family because they are not investing enough into the Football Club .... correct?
And that the Family should pump more squillions into the Club.... correct?
And you also cannot see why the Family should not sell to a billionaire? .... correct?
And you think that either of the above options will propel SCFC into the big six bracket ...correct?
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Post by alster on Feb 16, 2018 15:28:30 GMT
The fact that your bloke did it at Gretna and Jack Walker did it at Blackburn simply show that you are wrong just like Man City and Chelsea. If you keep the investment big enough for long enough you can break into the elite. Those people didn't do a great job of any sort of succession planning obviously but your whole catchment area argument is pretty much bollocks people buy into success anyway, provide the success your supporter base would dwarf the population of Stoke-on-Trent not that its a massively limiting factor anyway. Let's get this right... You're having a moan at the Coates Family because they are not investing enough into the Football Club .... correct?
And that the Family should pump more squillions into the Club.... correct?
And you also cannot see why the Family should not sell to a billionaire? .... correct?
And you think that either of the above options will propel SCFC into the big six bracket ...correct?
Having billionaire owners gets you nothing we already have them they're as tight as a nun's chuff. I'm simply saying its doable and all the limiting factors you people keep throwing up are irrelevant in modern football. The big six are not a closed shop Chelsea Tottenham and Man City have gatecrashed the elite group recently Blackburn did it previously. The Coates could afford to do it if they had the will, Peter could do it on his own. He's 80 years old worth close to £1billion personally and his kids are considerably more wealthy than him. What's he going to do with it leave it to the church?
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2018 15:38:23 GMT
Let's get this right... You're having a moan at the Coates Family because they are not investing enough into the Football Club .... correct?
And that the Family should pump more squillions into the Club.... correct?
And you also cannot see why the Family should not sell to a billionaire? .... correct?
And you think that either of the above options will propel SCFC into the big six bracket ...correct?
Having billionaire owners gets you nothing we already have them they're as tight as a nun's chuff. I'm simply saying its doable and all the limiting factors you people keep throwing up are irrelevant in modern football. The big six are not a closed shop Chelsea Tottenham and Man City have gatecrashed the elite group recently Blackburn did it previously. The Coates could afford to do it if they had the will, Peter could do it on his own. He's 80 years old worth close to £1billion personally and his kids are considerably more wealthy than him. What's he going to do with it leave it to the church? The Labour Party actually.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 16, 2018 15:41:02 GMT
The family aren't going to sell. The club is now in a "managed decline" and has been for a couple of years.
Success for us now will be mid table championship obscurity because it will be "self sufficient" - no big spending to gain promotion back to the Prem, no big spending just to retain Prem status. Also no risk of harming the Bet365 "brand". I firmly believe this is what the family now want. Mid table championship obscurity. It's cheaper.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 16, 2018 15:42:19 GMT
You can come back and tell me I'm talking bollocks when someone's actually done it. In the meantime history is pretty much on my side. Yeah I'm sure most people allow history to limit them but pesky people come along every so often and prove their boundaries to be non existent. And when they have you can come back and tell me all about it. In fact why don't you have a go. Amanda Staveley is looking for a Premier League club to invest in. I'm sure with your imagination, passion and "no limits" attitude you could put together a convincing case to drop her interest in Newcastle and buy Coates out instead. You talk the talk - time to walk the walk. No excuses now. Boundaries are non-existent remember.
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Post by skip on Feb 16, 2018 15:55:24 GMT
You mean like Jack Walker did?? Exactly like Jack Walker did yes. Walker showed how a small town club could be propelled into the elite group of teams. Why scoff at what Walker did? Football is unrecognisable from when Blackburn won the title, eighteen months shy of a quarter of a century ago.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2018 16:05:16 GMT
Yeah I'm sure most people allow history to limit them but pesky people come along every so often and prove their boundaries to be non existent. And when they have you can come back and tell me all about it. In fact why don't you have a go. Amanda Staveley is looking for a Premier League club to invest in. I'm sure with your imagination, passion and "no limits" attitude you could put together a convincing case to drop her interest in Newcastle and buy Coates out instead. You talk the talk - time to walk the walk. No excuses now. Boundaries are non-existent remember. She's offered 250 million for Newcastle (according to report)
Ashley wants 350.
Reckon Denise would want 250 minimum
Two hard nosed businesswomen slugging it out.
Then according to alster we are on our way to the Champions League. !
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2018 16:06:44 GMT
The family aren't going to sell. The club is now in a "managed decline" and has been for a couple of years. Success for us now will be mid table championship obscurity because it will be "self sufficient" - no big spending to gain promotion back to the Prem, no big spending just to retain Prem status. Also no risk of harming the Bet365 "brand". I firmly believe this is what the family now want. Mid table championship obscurity. It's cheaper. Crikey scrotnig... that's depressing.
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Post by alster on Feb 16, 2018 16:41:45 GMT
And when they have you can come back and tell me all about it. In fact why don't you have a go. Amanda Staveley is looking for a Premier League club to invest in. I'm sure with your imagination, passion and "no limits" attitude you could put together a convincing case to drop her interest in Newcastle and buy Coates out instead. You talk the talk - time to walk the walk. No excuses now. Boundaries are non-existent remember. She's offered 250 million for Newcastle (according to report)
Ashley wants 350.
Reckon Denise would want 250 minimum
Two hard nosed businesswomen slugging it out.
Then according to alster we are on our way to the Champions League. !
Why do you make shit up I've not commented on the woman, if she does buy a football club we'll be able to judge whether she has the ambition and financial muscle to bankroll it to success. If you want to use someone as an example why not use Roman Abramovich he's actually done it and he's not much ahead of the Coates' in the rich league.
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