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Dec 5, 2017 13:06:45 GMT
Post by GoBoks on Dec 5, 2017 13:06:45 GMT
The bizarre treatment of Diouf The repeated playing of an unfit Berahino, only to drop him after a summer of fitness work. Now this. You just have to applaud man management skills like that. Even though we won(implying selection and tactics were right), you’re saying Hughes was wrong without knowing any of the back story. Good grief! I can just imagine what your one eyed line of vitriol would have been had he brought This loanee on and it had cost us the game through a silly mistake.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 5, 2017 13:27:31 GMT
The bizarre treatment of Diouf The repeated playing of an unfit Berahino, only to drop him after a summer of fitness work. Now this. You just have to applaud man management skills like that. Even though we won(implying selection and tactics were right), you’re saying Hughes was wrong without knowing any of the back story. Good grief! I can just imagine what your one eyed line of vitriol would have been had he brought This loanee on and it had cost us the game through a silly mistake. He does have a point though.
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Dec 5, 2017 13:28:40 GMT
Post by sutekh on Dec 5, 2017 13:28:40 GMT
jese has the wrong dna for the club imo. The previous gaffer would have stripped off and head butted the fucker in the changing rooms for pulling a stroke like that.
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Dec 5, 2017 13:36:14 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Dec 5, 2017 13:36:14 GMT
Jese seems another dogs' home case that has not quite worked out. I guess it was worth a try. I'd cancel his loan in January to free up wages to bring in a proper forward who can compete with Mame for the lone striker role.
It would be nice to bring in a few more players without issues who are at the peak of their powers and wanted by other clubs. Allen and Shaqiri spring to mind and they have not turned out too bad, have they?
Saido and Gilbert were other problem children and we were stung to the tune of far more money than it has cost us to loan Jese, so we may be learning to try before we buy with risky players at least!
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Dec 5, 2017 13:43:11 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 5, 2017 13:43:11 GMT
Whilst I agree with comments on Diouf and to a lesser extent on Berahino, at the end of the day, the player has to give the manager reason to include him. Jese and arguably Berahino, have done no such thing. Jese's half arsed cameo v Liverpool had me furious and venting my spleen at him for a good 20 seconds or so whilst his performance at Man City would have had me looking to ship him back from where he came almost immediately. If we are going to criticise Hughes re Jese and Berahino, the criticism should probably be that we signed them in the first place. You might just have hit on something there throw Imbula and Wimmer into the mix and it all looks like one big fuck up in the recruitment department. I don't think anyone can really argue with that, whatever camp you sit in really. We haven't spent well enough when we've spent big money on players, though it is perhaps too early to be writing Wimmer off. He's had some decent games so far and its early days. We may have paid over the odds for him but if he goes on to play well for us, the fee is less problematic. It is a lot of money for sure but relatively speaking, when you think Keane went for nigh on 30m to Everton, it isn't really a lot is it? However you dress it up, the big money contract for Bojan, transfer fees and wages to match for the likes of Imbula, Berahino (some would argue Shaqiri and Allen as well) + the big loan wages for the likes of Zouma (he is nowhere near as good as people make him out to be) and Jese don't reflect well on the manager or the transfer team in reality. All need to contribute way more than they have done/are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 13:48:16 GMT
The bizarre treatment of Diouf The repeated playing of an unfit Berahino, only to drop him after a summer of fitness work. Now this. You just have to applaud man management skills like that. Even though we won(implying selection and tactics were right), you’re saying Hughes was wrong without knowing any of the back story. Good grief! I can just imagine what your one eyed line of vitriol would have been had he brought This loanee on and it had cost us the game through a silly mistake. This story itself could be total fiction and my point still stands.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 5, 2017 13:49:20 GMT
Dave - the money spent on Shaq & Allen look absolute bargains when you compare to fee's & wages thus far for Imbula & Berahanio & Jese..I would much rather look to the championship & below to try and unearth some gems. They must be there instead of pissing money away..Coates must be spitting feathers, I would be and although accept there are no guarantees, those 3 appear to be shockers!!
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Dec 5, 2017 13:54:03 GMT
Post by kustokie on Dec 5, 2017 13:54:03 GMT
Even though we won(implying selection and tactics were right), you’re saying Hughes was wrong without knowing any of the back story. Good grief! I can just imagine what your one eyed line of vitriol would have been had he brought This loanee on and it had cost us the game through a silly mistake. This story itself could be total fiction and my point still stands. Hughes has done a good job resurrecting the careers of some players such as Arnie (until his head was turned) and Bojan (until he was injured). However, most seem to have been a bust and he seems up on them very quickly, when he realizes it’s a lost cause such as Imbula, and Berahino. It seems Jese is going the same way but it’s not a huge, expensive mistake because he is only on a short term loan.
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Dec 5, 2017 13:54:31 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 5, 2017 13:54:31 GMT
At some time you have to seriously look at the recruitment policy at the club.
It seems there are far too many issues with players that Hughes signs who then go on to have a strop about being left out.
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Dec 5, 2017 14:23:39 GMT
Post by reddipotter on Dec 5, 2017 14:23:39 GMT
This story itself could be total fiction and my point still stands. Hughes has done a good job resurrecting the careers of some players such as Arnie (until his head was turned) and Bojan (until he was injured). However, most seem to have been a bust and he seems up on them very quickly, when he realizes it’s a lost cause such as Imbula, and Berahino. It seems Jese is going the same way but it’s not a huge, expensive mistake because he is only on a short term loan. To me, one of Hughes' weaknesses is how few players have improved during his time at the club. Arnie, I'll grant you, but Bojan had only a handful of impressive games in nearly three years at the club. And I can't think of any others.
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Dec 5, 2017 14:30:05 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 5, 2017 14:30:05 GMT
On Saturday I remember Jese returning to the dugout just as the double substitution was made in the 2nd half and to say he looked pissed off would be an understatement.Not surprised at all by this story having witnessed Jese shaking his head as he got close to the Home dugout
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 5, 2017 14:36:49 GMT
A worse headline would surely be: "Jese didn't give a shit about not coming on as a sub as he's really not that bothered about playing".
I'm glad he's pissed off if it's true. They should all be bothered and all be desperate to play.
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Dec 5, 2017 14:37:33 GMT
Post by mickmacc on Dec 5, 2017 14:37:33 GMT
But then we won the game so he looked a tw@t. He's another Bojan. Far too lightweight for the prem..
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Dec 5, 2017 14:46:26 GMT
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 5, 2017 14:46:26 GMT
it was cringeworthy at the time and it looks even more so now. Whoever sanctioned the release of that should have been sacked immediately. I think we all know who is ultimately responsible for PR , and its interesting as results have regressed , he has become less and less visible , not hard to predict given some of us forecast exactly that in August . This signing sums up ou transfer team and police through the summer to a tee , utterly incompetent , Mr £12m in-the- bank has been even less use than the free transfers and loans on it .
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 5, 2017 14:50:07 GMT
it was cringeworthy at the time and it looks even more so now. Whoever sanctioned the release of that should have been sacked immediately. I think we all know who is ultimately responsible for PR , and its interesting as results have regressed , he has become less and less visible , not hard to predict given some of us forecast exactly that in August . This signing sums up ou transfer team and police through the summer to a tee , utterly incompetent , Mr £12m in-the- bank has been even less use than the free transfers and loans on it . Mr Scholes is on a working vacation right now, your lack of respect for our great CEO is astonishing.
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Dec 5, 2017 14:53:51 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 5, 2017 14:53:51 GMT
Dave - the money spent on Shaq & Allen look absolute bargains when you compare to fee's & wages thus far for Imbula & Berahanio & Jese..I would much rather look to the championship & below to try and unearth some gems. They must be there instead of pissing money away..Coates must be spitting feathers, I would be and although accept there are no guarantees, those 3 appear to be shockers!! I said "some would argue about those two as well". I was heavily critical of both Joe Allen (his headless chicken routine did my nut in last season) and Shaqiri (super player obviously but practically always injured) but relatively speaking, 13m and 12m respectively for them represents decent value in today's ridiculously inflated transfer market and we'll clearly get more than our money back on both should we happen to sell them. Both are playing better now than they've ever done before and that is great to see because they too were looking like expensive duds last season.
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Dec 5, 2017 14:59:33 GMT
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 5, 2017 14:59:33 GMT
I think we all know who is ultimately responsible for PR , and its interesting as results have regressed , he has become less and less visible , not hard to predict given some of us forecast exactly that in August . This signing sums up ou transfer team and police through the summer to a tee , utterly incompetent , Mr £12m in-the- bank has been even less use than the free transfers and loans on it . Mr Scholes is on a working vacation right now, your lack of respect for our great CEO is astonishing. intersting point , can you offer some guidance as to how would we know whether he was working or on a vacation as our PR , Transfer Policy , ability to convert clayton wood visits to signings , Match day experience , match day receipts , corporate standards , are woeful whether he is working or on holiday , the only clue's being he is normally on holiday in the transfer window , and jets back or in certain cases to the USA for the signing photo holding the pen
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 15:05:34 GMT
Stop signing cripples. Simples.
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Dec 5, 2017 15:20:30 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 5, 2017 15:20:30 GMT
Mr Scholes is on a working vacation right now, your lack of respect for our great CEO is astonishing. intersting point , can you offer some guidance as to how would we know whether he was working or on a vacation as our PR , Transfer Policy , ability to convert clayton wood visits to signings , Match day experience , match day receipts , corporate standards , are woeful whether he is working or on holiday , the only clue's being he is normally on holiday in the transfer window , and jets back or in certain cases to the USA for the signing photo holding the pen The bloke deserves a statue.
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Dec 5, 2017 15:27:16 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 5, 2017 15:27:16 GMT
I’d be pissed off if i wasnt playing,
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Dec 5, 2017 16:08:43 GMT
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Post by lordb on Dec 5, 2017 16:08:43 GMT
Stop signing cripples. Simples. In which case we have to accept the quality we can attract will be lower. Not necessarily a bad thing. Signing players on the way up rather than down might be an idea too. We haven't really done that for a very long time. Mills was quite good at that. Just the thirty years ago...
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Dec 5, 2017 16:19:36 GMT
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Post by Gods on Dec 5, 2017 16:19:36 GMT
Jese seems another dogs' home case that has not quite worked out. I guess it was worth a try. I'd cancel his loan in January to free up wages to bring in a proper forward who can compete with Mame for the lone striker role. It would be nice to bring in a few more players without issues who are at the peak of their powers and wanted by other clubs. Allen and Shaqiri spring to mind and they have not turned out too bad, have they? Saido and Gilbert were other problem children and we were stung to the tune of far more money than it has cost us to loan Jese, so we may be learning to try before we buy with risky players at least! I doubt we can just cancel his loan in January, we would need to pay off the remainder of his contract , thus freeing up no wages are all!
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Dec 5, 2017 16:23:19 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Dec 5, 2017 16:23:19 GMT
Jese seems another dogs' home case that has not quite worked out. I guess it was worth a try. I'd cancel his loan in January to free up wages to bring in a proper forward who can compete with Mame for the lone striker role. It would be nice to bring in a few more players without issues who are at the peak of their powers and wanted by other clubs. Allen and Shaqiri spring to mind and they have not turned out too bad, have they? Saido and Gilbert were other problem children and we were stung to the tune of far more money than it has cost us to loan Jese, so we may be learning to try before we buy with risky players at least! I doubt we can just cancel his loan in January, we would need to pay off the remainder of his contract , thus freeing up no wages are all! If it is a season long loan, do we have to hope that either the parent club wants him back (unlikely) or that another club wants to buy him permanently (also rather unlikely on current form, you would think)?
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Dec 5, 2017 16:34:04 GMT
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 5, 2017 16:34:04 GMT
On Saturday I remember Jese returning to the dugout just as the double substitution was made in the 2nd half and to say he looked pissed off would be an understatement.Not surprised at all by this story having witnessed Jese shaking his head as he got close to the Home dugout And after that change he walked off to the changing rooms gesturing to someone in the crowd . It's not the action of a team player is It?
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Dec 5, 2017 16:36:16 GMT
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Post by dadofsam on Dec 5, 2017 16:36:16 GMT
Surely a "return home to be with his ill son" story could be arranged with no face lost on either side.
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Dec 5, 2017 16:56:06 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Dec 5, 2017 16:56:06 GMT
I think Hughes is too focused on bringing in big names, I'd rather like him to go for real quality instead of have beens! I would also like to see players brought in to fill the positions where we actually need players! To start this season without any wingbacks in our squad and then start playing 3 at the back is really one of the strangest decisions ever in the world of football.
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Dec 5, 2017 17:30:22 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 5, 2017 17:30:22 GMT
The bizarre treatment of Diouf The repeated playing of an unfit Berahino, only to drop him after a summer of fitness work. Now this. You just have to applaud man management skills like that. Can't agree with that. Don't see any player mutiny, in fact quite the opposite the players seem to be playing for Hughes, if his man management was that bad they'd have downed tools by now
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 5, 2017 17:49:21 GMT
The bizarre treatment of Diouf The repeated playing of an unfit Berahino, only to drop him after a summer of fitness work. Now this. You just have to applaud man management skills like that. Hughes overcomplicates things , it's his Achilles heel , he is obsessed with signing big name players from big clubs , who are unfit and out of form 18 million quid for imbula ...all he had to do was sign Will hughes from down the road in Derby ...and he would have been good cover for Fletcher and Allen ...and TBH because of their age difference would probably have been pushing Fletcher for his place as the season wore on 12 million plus for berahino ... and another complicated story...All had to do was sign a fit and ready to go Chris woods from Leeds ... He's not a top six player , which is why no one in the top six wanted him ... but he would have turned up fit , been great cover for diouf or crouchy , and because of the age difference would have been pushing crouchy for his place as the season wore on . I am fairly sure Hughes or woods won't be getting a move to a top six team ever , but they would have turned up , done a useful job and earned their money . Which to be frank is more than what imbula berahino and jese seem to be doing .
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Dec 5, 2017 17:57:52 GMT
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Post by tuum on Dec 5, 2017 17:57:52 GMT
Whilst I agree with comments on Diouf and to a lesser extent on Berahino, at the end of the day, the player has to give the manager reason to include him. Jese and arguably Berahino, have done no such thing. Jese's half arsed cameo v Liverpool had me furious and venting my spleen at him for a good 20 seconds or so whilst his performance at Man City would have had me looking to ship him back from where he came almost immediately. If we are going to criticise Hughes re Jese and Berahino, the criticism should probably be that we signed them in the first place. I can't disagree with a lot of that but equally, it's a bit of a coincidence isn't it? Joselu was supposedly a bit of a bad egg, Bony was "idle", Bojan got frustrated etc Who or what is the common link? The common link is SCFC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 18:27:47 GMT
The bizarre treatment of Diouf The repeated playing of an unfit Berahino, only to drop him after a summer of fitness work. Now this. You just have to applaud man management skills like that. Hughes overcomplicates things , it's his Achilles heel , he is obsessed with signing big name players from big clubs , who are unfit and out of form 18 million quid for imbula ...all he had to do was sign Will hughes from down the road in Derby ...and he would have been good cover for Fletcher and Allen ...and TBH because of their age difference would probably have been pushing Fletcher for his place as the season wore on 12 million plus for berahino ... and another complicated story...All had to do was sign a fit and ready to go Chris woods from Leeds ... He's not a top six player , which is why no one in the top six wanted him ... but he would have turned up fit , been great cover for diouf or crouchy , and because of the age difference would have been pushing crouchy for his place as the season wore on . I am fairly sure Hughes or woods won't be getting a move to a top six team ever , but they would have turned up , done a useful job and earned their money . Which to be frank is more than what imbula berahino and jese seem to be doing . Fair points well made. Another player that should have been here is Michael Antonio. 8M just down the road at Forest. Power, pace, aggression. Would have been perfect for our right hand side.
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