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Post by harryburrows on Mar 26, 2018 17:37:30 GMT
Yes she went from the bitch from hell to the bitch from heaven I remember seeing a photo... if that was her....To be fair you were punching way above your weight harry You must be thinking of the Thai person
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Post by felonious on Mar 26, 2018 17:41:32 GMT
In 1990, I worked with a girl that had converted from Islam to Christianity & was basically in hiding(if there is anything basic about being in the run from ones family) I didn't realise the significance of it at the time & didn't know about honour killing, but now I know how courageous she was... Interesting that Bath I too knew a girl on the run from her parents because she couldn't face marrying the imported bridegroom.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 26, 2018 17:44:06 GMT
In 1990, I worked with a girl that had converted from Islam to Christianity & was basically in hiding(if there is anything basic about being in the run from ones family) I didn't realise the significance of it at the time & didn't know about honour killing, but now I know how courageous she was... Interesting that Bath I too knew a girl on the run from her parents because she couldn't face marrying the imported bridegroom. Was that Mary's inlaws ? It got quite nasty I hear
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Post by felonious on Mar 26, 2018 17:45:26 GMT
Yes she went from the bitch from hell to the bitch from heaven I remember seeing a photo... if that was her....To be fair you were punching way above your weight harry Oh you've seen a photo of Stormy Burrows as well.
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Post by felonious on Mar 26, 2018 17:49:18 GMT
Interesting that Bath I too knew a girl on the run from her parents because she couldn't face marrying the imported bridegroom. Was that Mary's inlaws ? It got quite nasty I hear Serious stuff mate when you're paranoid about where you live, where you work and where you go.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 26, 2018 17:52:43 GMT
Wasn’t that a good thing?... For her 😂 Yes she went from the bitch from hell to the bitch from heaven Wow Harry, that sounds like a big deal. Did you both do the Alpha course, where did you do it & what went wrong? If you don't want to answer the last one, fine, but I'd be interested to know the 1st 2...
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Post by starkiller on Mar 26, 2018 18:57:03 GMT
Cannot accept that Jesus ever lived. All supposed contemporary references to him are later Christian forgeries and all ideas about him are simply a rip-off other sources.
Jewish 'history' is equally another crock of shit.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 26, 2018 19:12:37 GMT
Wow Harry, that sounds like a big deal. Did you both do the Alpha course, where did you do it & what went wrong? If you don't want to answer the last one, fine, but I'd be interested to know the 1st 2... She refused to contribute to the household expenses as god says that was the role of the man She didn’t adopt the obey your husband line then. I’ve heard Christians doing the whole demarcation of duties thing, but it smacks of A Handmaidens Tale to me. I became a Christian in Ibiza in the 80’s without a Godbotherer in sight & did the Alpha thing in Bath some time later. Found it all a bit middleclass for my liking, as it came out of Holy Trinity Brompton in Knightsbridge.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 26, 2018 20:35:16 GMT
She refused to contribute to the household expenses as god says that was the role of the man She didn’t adopt the obey your husband line then. I’ve heard Christians doing the whole demarcation of duties thing, but it smacks of A Handmaidens Tale to me. I became a Christian in Ibiza in the 80’s without a Godbotherer in sight & did the Alpha thing in Bath some time later. Found it all a bit middleclass for my liking, as it came out of Holy Trinity Brompton in Knightsbridge. You obviously didn't do Ibiza properly 😇
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 26, 2018 21:16:20 GMT
She didn’t adopt the obey your husband line then. I’ve heard Christians doing the whole demarcation of duties thing, but it smacks of A Handmaidens Tale to me. I became a Christian in Ibiza in the 80’s without a Godbotherer in sight & did the Alpha thing in Bath some time later. Found it all a bit middleclass for my liking, as it came out of Holy Trinity Brompton in Knightsbridge. You obviously didn't do Ibiza properly 😇 Heaven & Hell & all the stops in between 🙃
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 26, 2018 21:57:49 GMT
You obviously didn't do Ibiza properly 😇 Heaven & Hell & all the stops in between 🙃 So where did you have this road to Damascus moment ? And is god a socialist?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 26, 2018 22:33:51 GMT
I do, and he wants me for a sunbeam to shine for him each day.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 26, 2018 23:43:03 GMT
Heaven & Hell & all the stops in between 🙃 So where did you have this road to Damascus moment ? And is god a socialist? I'd be surprised if a benevolent God was a socialist. There's no charitable virtue in a government forcing money off people and dishing it out. Charity and voluntarism are more Christian.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 27, 2018 8:06:33 GMT
Heaven & Hell & all the stops in between 🙃 So where did you have this road to Damascus moment ? And is god a socialist? I was there for the Summer & it happened over the whole time I was there, but the moment I was "Born Again"(although I had no concept of that phrase at the time)was in the apartment I was sharing with a bunch of other Stokies & our hangers on. When I got home I spoke to a curate about the Born Again experience & he explained it as receiving what was promised to you when you were Baptised as a baby. I've always been a bit slow on the uptake! As for God being a socialist, you'd have to ask him...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 27, 2018 12:57:14 GMT
So where did you have this road to Damascus moment ? And is god a socialist? I'd be surprised if a benevolent God was a socialist. There's no charitable virtue in a government forcing money off people and dishing it out. Charity and voluntarism are more Christian. And the son of God? Ever read his views on wealth, the corrupt tax officials, the lenders in the temple, what it takes to follow him (giving up everything), feeding the poor etc etc Quite some row between daddy and junior in your eyes, clearly! Perhaps we should give your way a go and see what happens. What do you think would happen if taxation wasn't compulsory?
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 27, 2018 16:03:38 GMT
So where did you have this road to Damascus moment ? And is god a socialist? I was there for the Summer & it happened over the whole time I was there, but the moment I was "Born Again"(although I had no concept of that phrase at the time)was in the apartment I was sharing with a bunch of other Stokies & our hangers on. When I got home I spoke to a curate about the Born Again experience & he explained it as receiving what was promised to you when you were Baptised as a baby. I've always been a bit slow on the uptake! As for God being a socialist, you'd have to ask him... Do you know something I don't 😫
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 27, 2018 16:11:43 GMT
So where did you have this road to Damascus moment ? And is god a socialist? I was there for the Summer & it happened over the whole time I was there, but the moment I was "Born Again"(although I had no concept of that phrase at the time)was in the apartment I was sharing with a bunch of other Stokies & our hangers on. When I got home I spoke to a curate about the Born Again experience & he explained it as receiving what was promised to you when you were Baptised as a baby. I've always been a bit slow on the uptake! As for God being a socialist, you'd have to ask him... Well I've had it my whole life from baptism , school , an alter boy every week and it's passed me by I'm afraid , my mum and dad were both devout Catholics , and when they were dying it was a great comfort to them IMHO it's a load mumbo jumbo
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 27, 2018 16:37:27 GMT
I'd be surprised if a benevolent God was a socialist. There's no charitable virtue in a government forcing money off people and dishing it out. Charity and voluntarism are more Christian. And the son of God? Ever read his views on wealth, the corrupt tax officials, the lenders in the temple, what it takes to follow him (giving up everything), feeding the poor etc etc Quite some row between daddy and junior in your eyes, clearly! Perhaps we should give your way a go and see what happens. What do you think would happen if taxation wasn't compulsory? Jesus' view was pay to Caesar what is his, or in other words don't get hung up on money. That doesn't mean that letting the government coerce money out of you counts as charity so you can sit on your arse letting someone else do it for you. My view is that taxation is theft, Jesus would be above that, and a charitable nature necessitates more than just moving money around.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 31, 2018 17:41:50 GMT
Your view is that taxation is theft. I'll ask again, what do you think would happen if taxation wasn't compulsory?
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Post by heyzeus on Mar 31, 2018 20:00:28 GMT
I don't understand why you want him in the Bible then? ??? Are you saying I want charles darwin in the bible, I'm not sure where you are coming from ? I am saying you have false idles
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Post by elystokie on Mar 31, 2018 20:30:23 GMT
??? Are you saying I want charles darwin in the bible, I'm not sure where you are coming from ? I am saying you have false idles Are you saying he's a lazy liar?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 21:00:05 GMT
Cannot accept that Jesus ever lived. All supposed contemporary references to him are later Christian forgeries and all ideas about him are simply a rip-off other sources. Jewish 'history' is equally another crock of shit. Herodotus, Thucydides, Suetonius and probably the most well known of the Roman historians Tacitus have all recorded that a man called Jesus did indeed exist at the time the New Testament writers say he did. There is nothing in their writings that historians doubt, everything ties in with other accounts. Josephus, a Jewish historian, also writes accounts that match the Roman writings, Jesus existed at that time. Our current knowledge and understanding of Roman life is largely built upon what we can glean from these historical writings, often backed up with modern archaeological findings. The evidence that this man walked the earth is overwhelming. The Roman Empire, King Herod, Solomon, the Caesar’s... all are accepted in history. The same historians record that Jesus existed and people doubt it. Whether you believe He was who he claimed to be is down to each one of us personally but whoever you decide He was there can be no doubt He existed.
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Post by starkiller on Apr 1, 2018 1:54:24 GMT
Cannot accept that Jesus ever lived. All supposed contemporary references to him are later Christian forgeries and all ideas about him are simply a rip-off other sources. Jewish 'history' is equally another crock of shit. Herodotus, Thucydides, Suetonius and probably the most well known of the Roman historians Tacitus have all recorded that a man called Jesus did indeed exist at the time the New Testament writers say he did. There is nothing in their writings that historians doubt, everything ties in with other accounts. Josephus, a Jewish historian, also writes accounts that match the Roman writings, Jesus existed at that time. Our current knowledge and understanding of Roman life is largely built upon what we can glean from these historical writings, often backed up with modern archaeological findings. The evidence that this man walked the earth is overwhelming. The Roman Empire, King Herod, Solomon, the Caesar’s... all are accepted in history. The same historians record that Jesus existed and people doubt it. Whether you believe He was who he claimed to be is down to each one of us personally but whoever you decide He was there can be no doubt He existed. The clearest reference to Jesus is Josephus. Yet this reference is obvious later Christian forgery. Just like the contradictory gospels. None of the other writings are contemporary, some 2nd century. None of them mention Jesus. Most are dubious. Unclear mentions of 'christians' does not constitute any proof as this was a general term applied to messianic Jews, followers if Bacchus, Apollo, Serapis or Osiris. All who coincidently had the same pagan ideas behind their characters as Jesus did. The clearest supposed evidence is in Tacitus and Josephus and both of those bits of evidence have been clearly inserted into the documents by later Christian forgers.
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Post by heyzeus on Apr 1, 2018 2:06:41 GMT
Herodotus, Thucydides, Suetonius and probably the most well known of the Roman historians Tacitus have all recorded that a man called Jesus did indeed exist at the time the New Testament writers say he did. There is nothing in their writings that historians doubt, everything ties in with other accounts. Josephus, a Jewish historian, also writes accounts that match the Roman writings, Jesus existed at that time. Our current knowledge and understanding of Roman life is largely built upon what we can glean from these historical writings, often backed up with modern archaeological findings. The evidence that this man walked the earth is overwhelming. The Roman Empire, King Herod, Solomon, the Caesar’s... all are accepted in history. The same historians record that Jesus existed and people doubt it. Whether you believe He was who he claimed to be is down to each one of us personally but whoever you decide He was there can be no doubt He existed. The clearest reference to Jesus is Josephus. Yet this reference is obvious later Christian forgery. Just like the contradictory gospels. None of the other writings are contemporary, some 2nd century. None of them mention Jesus. Most are dubious. Unclear mentions of 'christians' does not constitute any proof as this was a general term applied to messianic Jews, followers if Bacchus, Apollo, Serapis or Osiris. All who coincidently had the same pagan ideas behind their characters as Jesus did. The clearest supposed evidence is in Tacitus and Josephus and both of those bits of evidence have been clearly inserted into the documents by later Christian forgers. You could not be more wrong friend Come to church and find out
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Post by heyzeus on Apr 1, 2018 2:09:41 GMT
You are talking about these sources but you do not mention the gospels Poor scholarship
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Post by heyzeus on Apr 1, 2018 2:10:53 GMT
Herodotus, Thucydides, Suetonius and probably the most well known of the Roman historians Tacitus have all recorded that a man called Jesus did indeed exist at the time the New Testament writers say he did. There is nothing in their writings that historians doubt, everything ties in with other accounts. Josephus, a Jewish historian, also writes accounts that match the Roman writings, Jesus existed at that time. Our current knowledge and understanding of Roman life is largely built upon what we can glean from these historical writings, often backed up with modern archaeological findings. The evidence that this man walked the earth is overwhelming. The Roman Empire, King Herod, Solomon, the Caesar’s... all are accepted in history. The same historians record that Jesus existed and people doubt it. Whether you believe He was who he claimed to be is down to each one of us personally but whoever you decide He was there can be no doubt He existed. The clearest reference to Jesus is Josephus. Yet this reference is obvious later Christian forgery. Just like the contradictory gospels. None of the other writings are contemporary, some 2nd century. None of them mention Jesus. Most are dubious. Unclear mentions of 'christians' does not constitute any proof as this was a general term applied to messianic Jews, followers if Bacchus, Apollo, Serapis or Osiris. All who coincidently had the same pagan ideas behind their characters as Jesus did. The clearest supposed evidence is in Tacitus and Josephus and both of those bits of evidence have been clearly inserted into the documents by later Christian forgers. Please come to church with me for the sake of your soul
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Post by starkiller on Apr 1, 2018 2:23:57 GMT
You are talking about these sources but you do not mention the gospels Poor scholarship I mentioned the gospels. They are even worse evidence. Thanks for your invite.
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Post by heyzeus on Apr 1, 2018 2:34:13 GMT
You are talking about these sources but you do not mention the gospels Poor scholarship I mentioned the gospels. They are even worse evidence. Thanks for your invite. I do not see a mention of Matthew mark Luke or John
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 1, 2018 7:14:47 GMT
Herodotus, Thucydides, Suetonius and probably the most well known of the Roman historians Tacitus have all recorded that a man called Jesus did indeed exist at the time the New Testament writers say he did. There is nothing in their writings that historians doubt, everything ties in with other accounts. Josephus, a Jewish historian, also writes accounts that match the Roman writings, Jesus existed at that time. Our current knowledge and understanding of Roman life is largely built upon what we can glean from these historical writings, often backed up with modern archaeological findings. The evidence that this man walked the earth is overwhelming. The Roman Empire, King Herod, Solomon, the Caesar’s... all are accepted in history. The same historians record that Jesus existed and people doubt it. Whether you believe He was who he claimed to be is down to each one of us personally but whoever you decide He was there can be no doubt He existed. The clearest reference to Jesus is Josephus. Yet this reference is obvious later Christian forgery. Just like the contradictory gospels. None of the other writings are contemporary, some 2nd century. None of them mention Jesus. Most are dubious. Unclear mentions of 'christians' does not constitute any proof as this was a general term applied to messianic Jews, followers if Bacchus, Apollo, Serapis or Osiris. All who coincidently had the same pagan ideas behind their characters as Jesus did. The clearest supposed evidence is in Tacitus and Josephus and both of those bits of evidence have been clearly inserted into the documents by later Christian forgers. Happy Easter Killer(My fathers ice cream van name was Killer(after Jerry-Lee)) I don't know where you're getting your conspiratorial ideas from, but they obviously have an anti Jesus beef. I wouldn't doubt that there are aspects of the Greek gods personalities that resonate with the teachings of Jesus, but I would say that this is because the Greeks were science based scholars & saw human traits as external godley influences. Jesus was the Son of Man & both God & human. The fact that three of the Gospels contradict slightly in parts is down to human perception, just as witnesses to any event will see things through their own understanding(the beholders share) As for Luke, he wrote his Gospel & Acts after the fact, as a Greek Dr & was interested in giving the message to the Gentiles, so used Matthew's gospel as his source.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 1, 2018 14:31:04 GMT
The clearest reference to Jesus is Josephus. Yet this reference is obvious later Christian forgery. Just like the contradictory gospels. None of the other writings are contemporary, some 2nd century. None of them mention Jesus. Most are dubious. Unclear mentions of 'christians' does not constitute any proof as this was a general term applied to messianic Jews, followers if Bacchus, Apollo, Serapis or Osiris. All who coincidently had the same pagan ideas behind their characters as Jesus did. The clearest supposed evidence is in Tacitus and Josephus and both of those bits of evidence have been clearly inserted into the documents by later Christian forgers. Happy Easter Killer(My fathers ice cream van name was Killer(after Jerry-Lee)) I don't know where you're getting your conspiratorial ideas from, but they obviously have an anti Jesus beef. I wouldn't doubt that there are aspects of the Greek gods personalities that resonate with the teachings of Jesus, but I would say that this is because the Greeks were science based scholars & saw human traits as external godley influences. Jesus was the Son of Man & both God & human. The fact that three of the Gospels contradict slightly in parts is down to human perception, just as witnesses to any event will see things through their own understanding(the beholders share) As for Luke, he wrote his Gospel & Acts after the fact, as a Greek Dr & was interested in giving the message to the Gentiles, so used Matthew's gospel as his source. Kin,Ella bath you know it's a load of bloody mumbo jumbo
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