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Post by Northy on Jan 15, 2018 10:35:29 GMT
It's a good story, I bet Charles Darwin isn't in it 😊 Why do none believer's worship Charles Darwin? I don't worship him, I'm not sure if anybdoy does worship him. He had a theory that went against the thinking of the time, he stuck with it and was proved right, and science and evidence backs him up. But don't let that get in the way of a good story eh ?
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Post by heyzeus on Jan 15, 2018 11:01:12 GMT
Why do none believer's worship Charles Darwin? I don't worship him, I'm not sure if anybdoy does worship him. He had a theory that went against the thinking of the time, he stuck with it and was proved right, and science and evidence backs him up. But don't let that get in the way of a good story eh ? I don't understand why you want him in the Bible then?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 15, 2018 11:13:33 GMT
I'm not a believer myself. My only gripe is when people try to force their translation of their god onto me.
If I wanted to believe in God, it would be my choice to make, not by some dipshit banging on the front door with a pushchair in tow or some guy on a mat trying to force their version of god on me.
If such a deity existed you'd think he/she/it would come down and sort out the fuck up humanity has become.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 15, 2018 15:05:34 GMT
I've never believed I'm him and after todays appointment I never will.
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Post by potterinleeds on Jan 15, 2018 16:56:16 GMT
God is a concept, by which we measure our pain. Who said that? 😀 Nietzsche?
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Post by nik80 on Jan 15, 2018 17:21:06 GMT
God is a concept, by which we measure our pain. Who said that? 😀 Nietzsche? It’s good but it’s not right. I’ll give you a clue, it wasn’t Paul Lambert 👍🏼
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 17:34:43 GMT
Why do none believer's worship Charles Darwin? I don't worship him, I'm not sure if anybdoy does worship him. He had a theory that went against the thinking of the time, he stuck with it and was proved right, and science and evidence backs him up. But don't let that get in the way of a good story eh ? Some of Darwin’s theories were correct, some were not. In fact science has actually helped to prove a lot of the Biblical accounts to be correct. The deeper you look into it the more it becomes apparent that science ‘ assumes’ a great deal and cannot, without doubt, prove a lot of the things they say are true. So, this leaves it down to the individual to seek the truth. Can you honestly, without any doubt, believe everything that science has taught you ? If not, I suggest you take a deeper look at Biblical matters with an open mind and see what you make of it. Its everyone’s personal choice what they believe, every person has the right to decide and it’s every persons responsibility to seek their own answers.
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Post by potterinleeds on Jan 15, 2018 18:16:40 GMT
It’s good but it’s not right. I’ll give you a clue, it wasn’t Paul Lambert 👍🏼 Hmmm, in a Roy Walker-stylee. I like it. I'm not resorting to the internet yet, so I'll say, is it a song or poetry lyric?
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Post by nik80 on Jan 15, 2018 18:29:06 GMT
It’s good but it’s not right. I’ll give you a clue, it wasn’t Paul Lambert 👍🏼 Hmmm, in a Roy Walker-stylee. I like it. I'm not resorting to the internet yet, so I'll say, is it a song or poetry lyric? Song lyric. Opening line in fact 👍🏼
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Post by potterinleeds on Jan 15, 2018 18:33:32 GMT
Hmmm, in a Roy Walker-stylee. I like it. I'm not resorting to the internet yet, so I'll say, is it a song or poetry lyric? Song lyric. Opening line in fact 👍🏼 Dylan? Lou Reed?
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Post by potterinleeds on Jan 15, 2018 18:51:53 GMT
Hmmm, in a Roy Walker-stylee. I like it. I'm not resorting to the internet yet, so I'll say, is it a song or poetry lyric? Song lyric. Opening line in fact 👍🏼 Got it (only because my missus has just come in from work and she's a massive Beatles fan) - it's John Lennon and the song is 'God'. Obvious, huh - d'oh! (on my part) Enjoy the match if you are off there tonight
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Post by nik80 on Jan 15, 2018 19:23:39 GMT
Song lyric. Opening line in fact 👍🏼 Got it (only because my missus has just come in from work and she's a massive Beatles fan) - it's John Lennon and the song is 'God'. Obvious, huh - d'oh! (on my part) Enjoy the match if you are off there tonight Correct! I’ll watch it from the warmth of my living room, probably from behind the settee 😀
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 16, 2018 8:33:06 GMT
I've never believed I'm him and after todays appointment I never will. Is this some sort of Freudian slip!?!
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 16, 2018 8:50:33 GMT
I've never believed I'm him and after todays appointment I never will. Is this some sort of Freudian slip!?! Honest mistake gov.
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Post by Northy on Jan 16, 2018 10:01:52 GMT
I'm not a believer myself. My only gripe is when people try to force their translation of their god onto me. If I wanted to believe in God, it would be my choice to make, not by some dipshit banging on the front door with a pushchair in tow or some guy on a mat trying to force their version of god on me. If such a deity existed you'd think he/she/it would come down and sort out the fuck up humanity has become. yeh, perhaps with all this rain somebody is building a big boat somewhere which will house 2 of every kind of living creature in. Imagine the poor species gene pool when they start to repopulate the earth again, animal brothers shagging their sisters
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 16, 2018 10:32:20 GMT
I'm not a believer myself. My only gripe is when people try to force their translation of their god onto me. If I wanted to believe in God, it would be my choice to make, not by some dipshit banging on the front door with a pushchair in tow or some guy on a mat trying to force their version of god on me. If such a deity existed you'd think he/she/it would come down and sort out the fuck up humanity has become. yeh, perhaps with all this rain somebody is building a big boat somewhere which will house 2 of every kind of living creature in. Imagine the poor species gene pool when they start to repopulate the earth again, animal brothers shagging their sisters Is this some sort of dig at the Kernows...
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 16, 2018 11:44:16 GMT
It's a good story, I bet Charles Darwin isn't in it 😊 Why do none believer's worship Charles Darwin? Nor Dinosaurs. Anyway, if God created the Earth,why not tell Jesus there is land far to the west(America's) and a large Island down under. Man could have colonised these places 2000 years earlier.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 16, 2018 12:03:50 GMT
Why do none believer's worship Charles Darwin? Nor Dinosaurs. Anyway, if God created the Earth,why not tell Jesus there is land far to the west(America's) and a large Island down under. Man could have colonised these places 2000 years earlier. Errr, I think you'll find that there was man & woman on both of these continents thousands of years before Jesus rocked up...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 12:16:25 GMT
I've never believed I'm him and after todays appointment I never will. I dunno, I certainly shouted O God No when he was appointed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 6:57:55 GMT
I’ve seen his face...
...NOW IM A BELIEVER!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 18, 2018 7:39:52 GMT
Nor Dinosaurs. Anyway, if God created the Earth,why not tell Jesus there is land far to the west(America's) and a large Island down under. Man could have colonised these places 2000 years earlier. Errr, I think you'll find that there was man & woman on both of these continents thousands of years before Jesus rocked up... I know, but no one knew the places existed.
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Jan 27, 2018 14:45:27 GMT
I wouldn’t say I believe in a person being God as in someone higher and more powerful than anything/anyone else but I do believe there’s something or someone inside for everyone it’s just how you personally see that something/someone. (Don’t know if that’s makes sense to anyone else but it does to me). I never really thought anything of it until there was a time in when my life completely changed. By decisions I’d made, this might sound daft but I used to work away and that was my life until I thought needed to be at home. Wether it was for a reason I don’t know but I knew I needed change. Anyway, long story short after being back in stoke for 6 months or so I felt I couldn’t settle I was fed up started working shifts and I just thought Is this what life is living off a buzzer in a factory where I’m just a number to everyone. In the end I reached breaking point i felt that fed up with everything I didn’t know who to turn too or who was really there for me. Then one day I took my misses to Wilko in Longton and I just sat in the car waiting for her and I just cried. I don’t know why or what was the tipping point but sitting in my Car in Longton I cried and whilst I was pulling myself together before my lady come back out the shop and saw me crying I just said out loud all my problems and even though I was in the car on myself I felt like someone was finally listening to me and understanding me and that it was ok to get it off my chest no one will judge Me. After that I felt better straight away and carried on and remembered the people I love and how lucky I am to have people in my life etc and I never thought anymore of it. Until maybe 6 weeks ago I was out walking the dog and I sat down on a rock and I thought about that moment of my life and who was it I was talking to who was it who listened without saying anything. Since then I’ve thought about going church but everytime I’ve gone to go I don’t feel it’s the right time. I don’t know if I’m making excuses or what but I know I will go soon. Although this happened to me, i guess I sort of believe in a god for me but it doesn’t mean that i don’t gamble or drink, smoke or do anything that you’re told you shouldn’t do by religion. Christ didn’t realise how long this post was until i read it back! Sorry.. Longton has that effect on people, it's nothing spiritual
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 24, 2018 12:26:52 GMT
Why do none believer's worship Charles Darwin? Nor Dinosaurs. Anyway, if God created the Earth,why not tell Jesus there is land far to the west(America's) and a large Island down under. Man could have colonised these places 2000 years earlier. Free will He didn't want to
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 14:49:12 GMT
God is a concept, by which we measure our pain. Who said that? 😀 Nietzsche? Nietzsche said God is dead, and we have killed him Many people thought Nietzsche was pleased but he was devastated as it led to nihilism and the death of meaning. Nietzsche studied both theology and philology and his father was a preacher The death of God, the end of meaning, meant that we no longer had universal laws to live by as we no longer believed we are to be judged by our creator upon our life's end he saw this as forming moral ambiguity and without a life of purpose serving Him, existential angst and the futility of existence outside of a omnipotent God's plan If I understand it correctly
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 14:55:58 GMT
I wouldn’t say I believe in a person being God as in someone higher and more powerful than anything/anyone else but I do believe there’s something or someone inside for everyone it’s just how you personally see that something/someone. (Don’t know if that’s makes sense to anyone else but it does to me). I never really thought anything of it until there was a time in when my life completely changed. By decisions I’d made, this might sound daft but I used to work away and that was my life until I thought needed to be at home. Wether it was for a reason I don’t know but I knew I needed change. Anyway, long story short after being back in stoke for 6 months or so I felt I couldn’t settle I was fed up started working shifts and I just thought Is this what life is living off a buzzer in a factory where I’m just a number to everyone. In the end I reached breaking point i felt that fed up with everything I didn’t know who to turn too or who was really there for me. Then one day I took my misses to Wilko in Longton and I just sat in the car waiting for her and I just cried. I don’t know why or what was the tipping point but sitting in my Car in Longton I cried and whilst I was pulling myself together before my lady come back out the shop and saw me crying I just said out loud all my problems and even though I was in the car on myself I felt like someone was finally listening to me and understanding me and that it was ok to get it off my chest no one will judge Me. After that I felt better straight away and carried on and remembered the people I love and how lucky I am to have people in my life etc and I never thought anymore of it. Until maybe 6 weeks ago I was out walking the dog and I sat down on a rock and I thought about that moment of my life and who was it I was talking to who was it who listened without saying anything. Since then I’ve thought about going church but everytime I’ve gone to go I don’t feel it’s the right time. I don’t know if I’m making excuses or what but I know I will go soon. Although this happened to me, i guess I sort of believe in a god for me but it doesn’t mean that i don’t gamble or drink, smoke or do anything that you’re told you shouldn’t do by religion. Christ didn’t realise how long this post was until i read it back! Sorry.. Longton has that effect on people, it's nothing spiritual Yeah that's why I left 28 years ago 😬 But I also think it highlights the dehumanising effect work has on us when we are treated like machines The original post reports an existential crisis that their daily life is a futile and empty experience He is saved by the one thing that makes existence bearable: the love of and from others Everything else is insignificant, mere distraction but we lose sight of that when we get sucked into the insanity of every day life
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 14:59:23 GMT
I don't worship him, I'm not sure if anybdoy does worship him. He had a theory that went against the thinking of the time, he stuck with it and was proved right, and science and evidence backs him up. But don't let that get in the way of a good story eh ? Some of Darwin’s theories were correct, some were not. In fact science has actually helped to prove a lot of the Biblical accounts to be correct. The deeper you look into it the more it becomes apparent that science ‘ assumes’ a great deal and cannot, without doubt, prove a lot of the things they say are true. So, this leaves it down to the individual to seek the truth. Can you honestly, without any doubt, believe everything that science has taught you ? If not, I suggest you take a deeper look at Biblical matters with an open mind and see what you make of it. Its everyone’s personal choice what they believe, every person has the right to decide and it’s every persons responsibility to seek their own answers. No matter where you go in the world or when, every culture, every religion has a creation srory - are they all right? The only unifying theory is the scientific one Every belief has equal validity
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Post by potterinleeds on Feb 25, 2018 15:01:30 GMT
Nietzsche said God is dead, and we have killed him Many people thought Nietzsche was pleased but he was devastated as it led to nihilism and the death of meaning. Nietzsche studied both theology and philology and his father was a preacher The death of God, the end of meaning, meant that we no longer had universal laws to live by as we no longer believed we are to be judged by our creator upon our life's end he saw this as forming moral ambiguity and without a life of purpose serving Him, existential angst and the futility of existence outside of a omnipotent God's plan If I understand it correctly Thank you, mate. I haven't read Twilight of the Idols or The Anti-Christ for years, and must go back to them, now that I have 'matured' somewhat. As an archaeologist, my favourite writing of his has always been The Use and Abuse of History.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 15:02:55 GMT
One of many great talks
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Post by potterinleeds on Feb 25, 2018 15:10:07 GMT
He's superb. I've just finished reading The Joyous Cosmology.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 19:05:35 GMT
He's superb. I've just finished reading The Joyous Cosmology. Alan Watts was a wonderful speaker and great spiritual teacher
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