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Post by musik on Oct 2, 2018 16:58:52 GMT
That age old Chessnut,Who created God? Who created the thing that created God? Repeat into Infinity. As well as ... Who created what lead to the Big bang? Who created the things that lead to the Big bang? Repeat into infinity. My father used to ask: "What came first, the hen or the egg?" To me it was the hen.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 2, 2018 17:19:26 GMT
When I was a boy the great scientific theory of the day was that if you got under the formica table it would protect you from a nuclear bomb. That was how much the great scientists understood then. You are telling me that those SAME people have progressed to fully understanding how the universe was created......Yeh OK I'll believe ya Theories on Creation are just the current state of understanding and not FACT. The word "God" covers the unknown for me, the Being/Beings that gave our Universe its' creation. Even if that was only to produce one spec of dust then that act is still the creation of a God and not a scientific accident. Steven Hawkins is the epitome of what people who don't want to believe in a creator cling to in order to shore up their position of creation. It's as if many people need an alternative to God because they are afraid of something they cannot comprehend. In a world where we don't know what Stonehenge was for or the Nazca Lines, Carnac Stones or the holes at the Pisco Valley. I would suggest we solve those seemingly easier mysteries before spouting on the big ones. Again, no one in the scientific community has ever claimed to fully understand how the universe was created. Yet another piece of made up bollocks by you (as well as this Steven Hawkins fella you've made up). Amazing how someone can be so against a theory that they clearly know absolutely nothing about whatsoever This thread epitomises why Message Boards are not the best place to try to solve the really big questions. You posed the question asking who this Stephen "Hawkins" was. The guy to whom you posed the question was so far off the pace that he didn't actually understand the significance of your question. That being so, it is difficult to see how he can possibly come up with any valid arguments about the meaning of life, the universe and everything! My own view is that there is no god - for me far too many sickening things happen to those who least deserve them for there to be any sort of benevolent being laying down the ground rules for our lives and having any sort of interest in seeing if they are observed. But, speaking purely personally, I don't really mind what people believe - providing their beliefs help them to cope with life without making life worse for their fellow men - including me! But I feel more comfortable with the idea that the laws of science govern our lives. What intrigues me most is how science fits in with the concepts almost all of us have of love, loyalty, morality and conscience. I don't know the answer but if I was a betting man I would not bet on a god (or gods) playing any part in it.
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Post by musik on Oct 2, 2018 18:28:26 GMT
Again, no one in the scientific community has ever claimed to fully understand how the universe was created. Yet another piece of made up bollocks by you (as well as this Steven Hawkins fella you've made up). Amazing how someone can be so against a theory that they clearly know absolutely nothing about whatsoever This thread epitomises why Message Boards are not the best place to try to solve the really big questions. You posed the question asking who this Stephen "Hawkins" was. The guy to whom you posed the question was so far off the pace that he didn't actually understand the significance of your question. That being so, it is difficult to see how he can possibly come up with any valid arguments about the meaning of life, the universe and everything! My own view is that there is no god - for me far too many sickening things happen to those who least deserve them for there to be any sort of benevolent being laying down the ground rules for our lives and having any sort of interest in seeing if they are observed. But, speaking purely personally, I don't really mind what people believe - providing their beliefs help them to cope with life without making life worse for their fellow men - including me! But I feel more comfortable with the idea that the laws of science govern our lives. What intrigues me most is how science fits in with the concepts almost all of us have of love, loyalty, morality and conscience. I don't know the answer but if I was a betting man I would not bet on a god (or gods) playing any part in it. Hellu Lakeland! Just wanted to do some replies here: "Hawkins" was just a repeated misspelling. You'd know what "rivival" means, right? You wrote "far too many sickening things happen to those who least deserve them". I suppose you mean in their present lives. There's a lot to be said to this actually, but you may be right - not on a forum ... In short, though. I believe in reincarnation, so to me bad things not only is a response to earlier lives, but also lead to experiences and development. Without that, life would be unfair and like russian roulette. And I believe it's fair. On a personal level, I've experienced some unbelievably bad things so I'm glad I have this belief.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 2, 2018 19:09:02 GMT
This thread epitomises why Message Boards are not the best place to try to solve the really big questions. You posed the question asking who this Stephen "Hawkins" was. The guy to whom you posed the question was so far off the pace that he didn't actually understand the significance of your question. That being so, it is difficult to see how he can possibly come up with any valid arguments about the meaning of life, the universe and everything! My own view is that there is no god - for me far too many sickening things happen to those who least deserve them for there to be any sort of benevolent being laying down the ground rules for our lives and having any sort of interest in seeing if they are observed. But, speaking purely personally, I don't really mind what people believe - providing their beliefs help them to cope with life without making life worse for their fellow men - including me! But I feel more comfortable with the idea that the laws of science govern our lives. What intrigues me most is how science fits in with the concepts almost all of us have of love, loyalty, morality and conscience. I don't know the answer but if I was a betting man I would not bet on a god (or gods) playing any part in it. Hellu Lakeland! Just wanted to do some replies here: "Hawkins" was just a repeated misspelling. You'd know what "rivival" means, right? You wrote "far too many sickening things happen to those who least deserve them". I suppose you mean in their present lives. There's a lot to be said to this actually, but you may be right - not on a forum ... In short, though. I believe in reincarnation, so to me bad things not only is a response to earlier lives, but also lead to experiences and development. Without that, life would be unfair and like russian roulette. And I believe it's fair. On a personal level, I've experienced some unbelievably bad things so I'm glad I have this belief. As I said musik, I don't really mind what people believe if it works for them and if their belief doesn't harm anyone else. I don't believe reincarnation exists but if you do, that's fine by me.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 3, 2018 0:53:28 GMT
That age old Chessnut,Who created God? Who created the thing that created God? Repeat into Infinity. As well as ... Who created what lead to the Big bang? Who created the things that lead to the Big bang? Repeat into infinity. But it’s not scientific theory that needs a “who” to “create” though is it - that’s your side.
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 3, 2018 15:20:20 GMT
If God existed and was a nice lad, I'd be balls deep every night in Christina Hendricks but alas I'm not, so he doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned
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Post by Miles Offside on Oct 3, 2018 17:36:23 GMT
There might be a God. I've no idea. But I don't believe in religions.
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Post by musik on Oct 5, 2018 12:54:50 GMT
I stumbled across some you tube videos right now. Interesting stuff, about why we are here and before the big bang.
Dr Roger Penrose ... Brian Greene ... Jim Holt ... inflation cosmology bubble bath of universes multiverse eventually universes will collide in the future ... there was no time before the big bang ...
all confirmation really
the How-question the Why-question
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Post by musik on Dec 20, 2018 14:12:52 GMT
After reading Michael Newton's "Journey of the souls" I must say I'm a bit puzzled.
A mate said it's in one aspect kind of like what's been said in the books by Sylvia Brown, namely: why do God let war, poverty, starving, diseases, accidents etc happen at all - if He's supposed to be allknowing and kind?
The answer in the book (after a hypnosis of the advanced soul These) must be: God is not "allknowing" (as we see it). 'He must create all these bad things just so he can know what it feels like' - to get better knowledge himself gradually.
Eeh 🤔... so he doesn't have a freakin' clue then??
What do you think guys? To me it sounds like he is a robot or psychopat then. So personally I won't rely on and accept such an explanation.
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Post by shangamuzo on Dec 20, 2018 14:23:05 GMT
If God is infinite-no beginning no end-the question of who created him cannot apply.
Can it ?
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Post by metalhead on Dec 20, 2018 16:00:17 GMT
If God exists.... why is the only evidence we have of his/her existence man-made?
Why would anyone believe in something theological..... that is ultimately man-made? I've had this discussion before. The bible is a collection of stories written by man, observed by (?). Therefore, you cannot believe in an deity that was never truly observed. They say people did observe him. OK fella? Come on god lad, appear to us, show us what you're made of? Or is it just Noah and his happy donkeys on the boat that gets to speak to him.... bit narcissistic eh?
You could easily compare God and theology in general to time.... Time is a man-made concept. There was no such thing as time, before someone thought it up. God... Time... Man-made, absolutely nothing more.
When you start to think about it like that, you realise, we have science..... That's not to say I have a problem with religion. People who find comfort in religion are absolutely within their rights. Just don't expect me to be there on Sunday begging for forgiveness....
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Post by musik on Dec 20, 2018 16:18:46 GMT
Why do God let war, poverty, starving, diseases, accidents etc happen at all - if He's supposed to be allknowing and kind? The answer in the book (after a hypnosis of the advanced soul These) must be: God is not "allknowing" (as we see it). 'He must create all these bad things just so he can know what it feels like' - to get better knowledge himself gradually. Eeh 🤔... so he doesn't have a freakin' clue then?? What do you think guys? To me it sounds like he is a robot or psychopat then. So personally I won't rely on and accept such an explanation. Again: what do you think of such an explanation? [This was what came out after many many people been hypnotized and talked about their afterlife experiences.] Let's assume (just for the debate), it's true. Some thing called God created everything, but hasn't got a clue what war, starving, diseases etc feels like - so we suffer from all this over and over again, just to remind him IF this would be true: how would you worship such a Creator? (ps friends: I for one don't believe in that as a straight explanation, but it surely could explain some bad things happening on Earth ...)
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Post by musik on Dec 20, 2018 16:42:14 GMT
Time is a man-made concept. There was no such thing as time, before someone thought it up. Time... Man-made, absolutely nothing more. And thereby, according to many philosophies and religions, you've come to the conclusion, there must be a God. If you're prepared to accept time is a man-made concept, then you're almost there - that's what a guru would have told you.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 20, 2018 17:57:28 GMT
If God exists.... why is the only evidence we have of his/her existence man-made? Why would anyone believe in something theological..... that is ultimately man-made? I've had this discussion before. The bible is a collection of stories written by man, observed by (?). Therefore, you cannot believe in an deity that was never truly observed. They say people did observe him. OK fella? Come on god lad, appear to us, show us what you're made of? Or is it just Noah and his happy donkeys on the boat that gets to speak to him.... bit narcissistic eh? You could easily compare God and theology in general to time.... Time is a man-made concept. There was no such thing as time, before someone thought it up. God... Time... Man-made, absolutely nothing more. When you start to think about it like that, you realise, we have science..... That's not to say I have a problem with religion. People who find comfort in religion are absolutely within their rights. Just don't expect me to be there on Sunday begging for forgiveness.... Ever watched Richard Carrier on YouTube, Metal? Very much on your wavelength, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 20:56:43 GMT
No.
The main reason?
Because God doesn't exist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 21:11:27 GMT
I've seen no reason to ever believe in a god besides that written, without evidence, by humans.
Therefore, no, I don't believe in a god.
There is no reason that beings in higher dimensions than us can't exist that we know of, but there is also no evidence that they do. And there is lots of evidence that manmade religion has been and is largely a tool for control and power.
That said, it is a fantastic tool for comfort and ease for some, which is absolutely fine.
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Post by musik on Dec 21, 2018 0:45:27 GMT
Time is a man-made concept. There was no such thing as time, before someone thought it up. Time... Man-made, absolutely nothing more. Questions: Didn't time exist before we invented time? When did we invent time? How was life like before time was invented?
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Post by musik on Dec 21, 2018 0:53:30 GMT
Why do God let war, poverty, starving, diseases, accidents etc happen at all - if He's supposed to be allknowing and kind? The answer in the book (after a hypnosis of the advanced soul These) must be: God is not "allknowing" (as we see it). 'He must create all these bad things just so he can know what it feels like' - to get better knowledge himself gradually. Eeh 🤔... so he doesn't have a freakin' clue then?? What do you think guys? To me it sounds like he is a robot or psychopat then. So personally I won't rely on and accept such an explanation. Again: what do you think of such an explanation? [This was what came out after many many people been hypnotized and talked about their afterlife experiences.] Let's assume (just for the debate), it's true. Some thing called God created everything, but hasn't got a clue what war, starving, diseases etc feels like - so we suffer from all this over and over again, just to remind him IF this would be true: how would you worship such a Creator? (ps friends: I for one don't believe in that as a straight explanation, but it surely could explain some bad things happening on Earth ...) No matter if you say "There is no God, therefore I don't Believe in God" or "I Believe in God, but not in the written books" or "I Believe in Bhagavad Gita and the Bible but not in God" or "I believe in both Lambert, Pulis and Rowett but not in God" - the Question is (and I repeat it since this explanation has been delievered by many people under hypnosis of their afterlife experiences/near death experiences): LET'S ASSUME IF there was a God who created the World but doesn't have a clue what war, diseases, accidents, injuries etc felt like, so he let us suffer from all that and more to expand och keep his knowledge on these matters - what would you think of that?
What would YOU say to such a God??
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 21, 2018 7:26:40 GMT
If God exists.... why is the only evidence we have of his/her existence man-made? Why would anyone believe in something theological..... that is ultimately man-made? I've had this discussion before. The bible is a collection of stories written by man, observed by (?). Therefore, you cannot believe in an deity that was never truly observed. They say people did observe him. OK fella? Come on god lad, appear to us, show us what you're made of? Or is it just Noah and his happy donkeys on the boat that gets to speak to him.... bit narcissistic eh? You could easily compare God and theology in general to time.... Time is a man-made concept. There was no such thing as time, before someone thought it up. God... Time... Man-made, absolutely nothing more. When you start to think about it like that, you realise, we have science..... That's not to say I have a problem with religion. People who find comfort in religion are absolutely within their rights. Just don't expect me to be there on Sunday begging for forgiveness.... Come on MH, the knights in The Holy Grail had no problem communicating with god.......... Attachment DeletedJoking apart what troubles me is that modern scholars believe that the 4 gospels of the New Testament were written by an anonymous Christian author who was not an eyewitness to any of the events within the text. The first gospel was written supposedly 50 years after the death of Jesus and the last gospel completed 110 AD. Are we then meant to believe that a bloke who was relying on other eye witness accounts could accurately write a detailed account of events that took place?. No internet, no telephones, difficult travel and 50-110 years after the events.....yeh right.
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Post by musik on Dec 22, 2018 2:30:11 GMT
If God exists.... why is the only evidence we have of his/her existence man-made? Why would anyone believe in something theological..... that is ultimately man-made? I've had this discussion before. The bible is a collection of stories written by man, observed by (?). Therefore, you cannot believe in an deity that was never truly observed. They say people did observe him. OK fella? Come on god lad, appear to us, show us what you're made of? Or is it just Noah and his happy donkeys on the boat that gets to speak to him.... bit narcissistic eh? You could easily compare God and theology in general to time.... Time is a man-made concept. There was no such thing as time, before someone thought it up. God... Time... Man-made, absolutely nothing more. When you start to think about it like that, you realise, we have science..... That's not to say I have a problem with religion. People who find comfort in religion are absolutely within their rights. Just don't expect me to be there on Sunday begging for forgiveness.... Come on MH, the knights in The Holy Grail had no problem communicating with god.......... View AttachmentJoking apart what troubles me is that modern scholars believe that the 4 gospels of the New Testament were written by an anonymous Christian author who was not an eyewitness to any of the events within the text. The first gospel was written supposedly 50 years after the death of Jesus and the last gospel completed 110 AD. Are we then meant to believe that a bloke who was relying on other eye witness accounts could accurately write a detailed account of events that took place?. No internet, no telephones, difficult travel and 50-110 years after the events.....yeh right. Are they absolutely sure about these dates? I suppose the texts are meant to be seen as revelations.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 22, 2018 6:47:28 GMT
Come on MH, the knights in The Holy Grail had no problem communicating with god.......... View AttachmentJoking apart what troubles me is that modern scholars believe that the 4 gospels of the New Testament were written by an anonymous Christian author who was not an eyewitness to any of the events within the text. The first gospel was written supposedly 50 years after the death of Jesus and the last gospel completed 110 AD. Are we then meant to believe that a bloke who was relying on other eye witness accounts could accurately write a detailed account of events that took place?. No internet, no telephones, difficult travel and 50-110 years after the events.....yeh right. Are they absolutely sure about these dates? I suppose the texts are meant to be seen as revelations. Of course I can’t verify the dates and I have no interest in doing so. But just a quick google and those dates are pretty much stated in most articles. I admire your view that the text could be seen as revelations but even the daily express would struggle to write new stories revealing events 50-100 years ago.
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Post by musik on Dec 22, 2018 17:10:19 GMT
Are they absolutely sure about these dates? I suppose the texts are meant to be seen as revelations. Of course I can’t verify the dates and I have no interest in doing so. But just a quick google and those dates are pretty much stated in most articles. I admire your view that the text could be seen as revelations but even the daily express would struggle to write new stories revealing events 50-100 years ago. I don't God dictates the Daily Express ...
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 23, 2018 0:18:26 GMT
If god created Adam and Eve and they had children , say a boy and a girl , then what happened next to get the human race started
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Post by musik on Dec 23, 2018 0:35:02 GMT
If god created Adam and Eve and they had children , say a boy and a girl , then what happened next to get the human race started Good question! Possible solutions: * God didn't wait until they got children. He created other grown ups as well. * Adam and Eve had no kids. These kids were transported from another galaxy. After all. Is it book/s or God we discuss? 👍
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Post by trentvale68 on Dec 23, 2018 14:45:26 GMT
If god created Adam and Eve and they had children , say a boy and a girl , then what happened next to get the human race started Good question! Possible solutions: * God didn't wait until they got children. He created other grown ups as well. * Adam and Eve had no kids. These kids were transported from another galaxy. After all. Is it book/s or God we discuss? 👍 Music, have a look for Cyrus Kirkpatrick on Google. His two books on the afterlife, astral projection/OBE are well worth your time, got an interesting website too, I really like his writing style, he's like us, a genuine truth seeker.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 23, 2018 22:13:14 GMT
God Bless you all & a Happy Christmas, even if it is a pagan festivalXx
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Post by univex on Dec 23, 2018 22:25:05 GMT
I believe in a reasonable rate of return
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 23, 2018 22:36:17 GMT
Time is a man-made concept. There was no such thing as time, before someone thought it up. Time... Man-made, absolutely nothing more. Questions: Didn't time exist before we invented time? When did we invent time? How was life like before time was invented? Time started with the Big Bang, it's all about rate of movements of astral bodies away from one another. That's what time is, it couldn't have existed before the Big Bang. There was no "before" that. I struggled with that for a while because you have a tendency to imagine infinity as working backwards as well as into the future, but it doesn't.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 24, 2018 0:12:12 GMT
Questions: Didn't time exist before we invented time? When did we invent time? How was life like before time was invented? Time started with the Big Bang, it's all about rate of movements of astral bodies away from one another. That's what time is, it couldn't have existed before the Big Bang. There was no "before" that. I struggled with that for a while because you have a tendency to imagine infinity as working backwards as well as into the future, but it doesn't. Yeah, had to convince yersen it was true, despite your observational evidence, take some convincing etc... .... maybe you struggled with it cuz the 'Big Bang' is the latest fascination. It's not true. A few clues in that release of info though. There's loads of 'before' when you look hard enough. And....... 'Re-Sets' etc.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 24, 2018 0:22:39 GMT
Time started with the Big Bang, it's all about rate of movements of astral bodies away from one another. That's what time is, it couldn't have existed before the Big Bang. There was no "before" that. I struggled with that for a while because you have a tendency to imagine infinity as working backwards as well as into the future, but it doesn't. Yeah, had to convince yersen it was true, despite your observational evidence, take some convincing etc... .... maybe you struggled with it cuz the 'Big Bang' is the latest fascination. It's not true. A few clues in that release of info though. There's loads of 'before' when you look hard enough. And....... 'Re-Sets' etc. I'm definitely far from an expert but I had it explained to me as above by an expert with a PhD in it, and my subsequent reading seems to confirm that this is the current mode of thinking.
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