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Post by Davef on Nov 27, 2017 14:45:48 GMT
Hence the breath of fresh air pulis would bring to our club for the remainder of this season. You're either on a massive wind up or completey off your head. Definitely the first one.
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Post by milky on Nov 27, 2017 14:48:00 GMT
You're either on a massive wind up or completey off your head. Definitely the first one. To be honest Dave I'd go option 2. A complete fruitloop!
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Post by thegift on Nov 27, 2017 14:51:04 GMT
Hence the breath of fresh air pulis would bring to our club for the remainder of this season. That makes literally no sense. Pulis' era has become stale at west brom As has Hughes' at stoke So as change of manager for both clubs would be a refreshing time.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2017 14:56:51 GMT
That makes literally no sense. Pulis' era has become stale at west brom As has Hughes' at stoke So as change of manager for both clubs would be a refreshing time. Is installing a bloke on a dreadful losing run who was underachieving with the resources at his disposal really ‘refreshing’ anything? It’s like giving a place a refurb by painting the walls with dogshit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 14:58:40 GMT
If Pulis returns to Stoke I hope it’s solely to unveil something to commemorate our promotion winning season.
For all of Hughes’ faults he has at least proven we can have more than one creative player in the squad and stay up.
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Post by thegift on Nov 27, 2017 15:06:53 GMT
Pulis' era has become stale at west brom As has Hughes' at stoke So as change of manager for both clubs would be a refreshing time. Is installing a bloke on a dreadful losing run who was underachieving with the resources at his disposal really ‘refreshing’ anything? It’s like giving a place a refurb by painting the walls with dogshit. I don't think he was under achieving. He over achieved with stoke. it swings and roundabouts. People are human, you cant be 100% all the time. But 18 months worth of inconsistency is a disgrace,.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Nov 27, 2017 15:08:34 GMT
This is why young british managers can't get top flight jobs, not because it's full of foreigners (with exception of Koeman maybe).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2017 15:09:30 GMT
Is installing a bloke on a dreadful losing run who was underachieving with the resources at his disposal really ‘refreshing’ anything? It’s like giving a place a refurb by painting the walls with dogshit. I don't think he was under achieving. He over achieved with stoke. it swings and roundabouts. People are human, you cant be 100% all the time. But 18 months worth of inconsistency is a disgrace,. He himself had 18 months of inconsistency, which is why he was sacked here. He overachieved here but by the end he was underachieving. He was underachieving with West Brom - that squad shouldn’t need to play low-scoring anti-football and shouldn’t be going 10 without a win.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2017 15:10:08 GMT
This is why young british managers can't get top flight jobs, not because it's full of foreigners (with exception of Koeman maybe). Spot on.
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Post by thegift on Nov 27, 2017 15:15:16 GMT
I don't think he was under achieving. He over achieved with stoke. it swings and roundabouts. People are human, you cant be 100% all the time. But 18 months worth of inconsistency is a disgrace,. He himself had 18 months of inconsistency, which is why he was sacked here. He overachieved here but by the end he was underachieving. He was underachieving with West Brom - that squad shouldn’t need to play low-scoring anti-football and shouldn’t be going 10 without a win. Correct, and a change is needed here and it was at west brom, i agree. But both of them will get jobs after stoke and WBA, it doesn't mean because there both on a bad run that's their managers career over. Although Hughes has literally done nothing in his career anyway, but that's a different argument for a different day. Very similar with Koeman, will get a job again and people including me wouldn't mind him here, look whats happened to him at Everton with the squad they have????
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2017 15:20:19 GMT
He himself had 18 months of inconsistency, which is why he was sacked here. He overachieved here but by the end he was underachieving. He was underachieving with West Brom - that squad shouldn’t need to play low-scoring anti-football and shouldn’t be going 10 without a win. Correct, and a change is needed here and it was at west brom, i agree. But both of them will get jobs after stoke and WBA, it doesn't mean because there both on a bad run that's their managers career over. Although Hughes has literally done nothing in his career anyway, but that's a different argument for a different day. Very similar with Koeman, will get a job again and people including me wouldn't mind him here, look whats happened to him at Everton with the squad they have???? I thought you didn’t agree that change was needed at West Brom, and that West Brom’s board were deluded for sacking him? What do they expect, top 4? Wasn’t that what you said? Hughes has had a thoroughly decent managerial career overall.
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Post by thegift on Nov 27, 2017 15:26:41 GMT
Correct, and a change is needed here and it was at west brom, i agree. But both of them will get jobs after stoke and WBA, it doesn't mean because there both on a bad run that's their managers career over. Although Hughes has literally done nothing in his career anyway, but that's a different argument for a different day. Very similar with Koeman, will get a job again and people including me wouldn't mind him here, look whats happened to him at Everton with the squad they have???? I thought you didn’t agree that change was needed at West Brom, and that West Brom’s board were deluded for sacking him? What do they expect, top 4? Wasn’t that what you said? Hughes has had a thoroughly decent managerial career overall. I don't think personally west brom were in trouble, but i was more implying that west brom think they need a change, so they have. I don't think there deluded for sacking him, i was saying there not going to go much further than mid table, so i don't know what there expectations are. Hughes has had a very poor career as a manager.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2017 15:29:17 GMT
I thought you didn’t agree that change was needed at West Brom, and that West Brom’s board were deluded for sacking him? What do they expect, top 4? Wasn’t that what you said? Hughes has had a thoroughly decent managerial career overall. I don't think personally west brom were in trouble, but i was more implying that west brom think they need a change, so they have. I don't think there deluded for sacking him, i was saying there not going to go much further than mid table, so i don't know what there expectations are. Hughes has had a very poor career as a manager. That’s just not true is it? The only really bad job he did was at QPR. Citeh was probably too big for him. Everywhere else he’s done a decent job.
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Post by thegift on Nov 27, 2017 15:40:52 GMT
I don't think personally west brom were in trouble, but i was more implying that west brom think they need a change, so they have. I don't think there deluded for sacking him, i was saying there not going to go much further than mid table, so i don't know what there expectations are. Hughes has had a very poor career as a manager. That’s just not true is it? The only really bad job he did was at QPR. Citeh was probably too big for him. Everywhere else he’s done a decent job. Hes stealing a living. His good playing career has given him the jobs as a manager. What has he actually done as a manager to warrant a job at man city?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2017 15:43:47 GMT
That’s just not true is it? The only really bad job he did was at QPR. Citeh was probably too big for him. Everywhere else he’s done a decent job. Hes stealing a living. His good playing career has given him the jobs as a manager. What has he actually done as a manager to warrant a job at man city? Took Wales as close as they’d been to a major tournament in nearly 50 years and then took over at relegation threatened Blackburn and made them a top six side?
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Post by milky on Nov 27, 2017 16:08:12 GMT
Hes stealing a living. His good playing career has given him the jobs as a manager. What has he actually done as a manager to warrant a job at man city? Took Wales as close as they’d been to a major tournament in nearly 50 years and then took over at relegation threatened Blackburn and made them a top six side? Strange how he hasn't responded to this question. I guess he just doesn't like being confronted with hard facts.
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Post by Davef on Nov 27, 2017 16:26:59 GMT
Hes stealing a living. His good playing career has given him the jobs as a manager. What has he actually done as a manager to warrant a job at man city? Took Wales as close as they’d been to a major tournament in nearly 50 years and then took over at relegation threatened Blackburn and made them a top six side? League position obviously counts for nothing to this character. Makes you wonder why we bother playing our bread and butter 38 games a season?
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Post by samba :) on Nov 27, 2017 16:39:25 GMT
Drivel. Pulis was brought to west brom because they were doing shit and were struggling to stay up. He kept them afloat, then stabilised them as a mid table team. With the players they have got, similar to ourselves, we are never going to make top 6 so eventually the manager will change to someone one else as they want to progress but it never quite happens like that. Just because they have 1 poor season it doesn't mean they have 'failed' Same for Koeman. Where as hughes, did shit at QPR shit at stoke and shit at man city Drivel, tone was having an ok season, koeman wasnt at fault (unless he is the man who signs the players then he is). Hughes was doing ok at man city he had a nightmare at QPR and here its a weird situation. He came, changed things, had us in a bit of a relegation scrap to start then got us up a bit. Things really started to look good, that summer where we signed bojan diouf etc was really exciting. Then its just gone down hill it appears in many aspects for our club
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Post by thegift on Nov 27, 2017 16:56:48 GMT
Took Wales as close as they’d been to a major tournament in nearly 50 years and then took over at relegation threatened Blackburn and made them a top six side? Strange how he hasn't responded to this question. I guess he just doesn't like being confronted with hard facts. Sorry milky some of us have a job mate. Pulis has still achieved much more than Hughes ever will.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2017 16:59:11 GMT
Strange how he hasn't responded to this question. I guess he just doesn't like being confronted with hard facts. Sorry milky some of us have a job mate. Pulis has still achieved much more than Hughes ever will. Based on what?
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Post by milky on Nov 27, 2017 17:00:14 GMT
Strange how he hasn't responded to this question. I guess he just doesn't like being confronted with hard facts. Sorry milky some of us have a job mate. Pulis has still achieved much more than Hughes ever will. Excellent goal post moving. You asked what Hughes had done to deserve the man city gig and you were given the answer. What the fuck does Pulis have to do with that ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 17:15:12 GMT
Managers getting sacked now is driven by fear:
Get relegated lose tens maybe hundreds of millions
That boardroom anxiety is transferred to managers who play safe and don't try anything new, unless you are a newly promoted team who have nothing to lose. This is how we stayed up first season: we confused, befuddled and frightened teams through obstinacy and bullying
However this fear to do anything different is not just confined to football: even younger posters than I have to agree there is a glut of homogeneity in TV, music and films. Everyone is trying to offer what everyone else is till you can't tell one from another;stagnation
Hughes seems crippled by anxiety to the point he puts a proven professional (Diouf) in an unfamiliar role (WB) because he knows he'll do a job over a complete novice. However this leads to stagnation in the ranks, no one breaks through. An under 23 starts to feel a journey man already with no hope of progress. Just like under TP
Hughes needs to be imaginative like he did with Stokelona or accept the inevitable chop
🤔😬
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