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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 23, 2017 18:26:31 GMT
I think it would be a good idea to rest him now and again to save his legs (West Brom over played him last year) but I'd do it against the top 6 with someone with more mobility and stamina (Geoff?) rather than a more winnable game like Palace where he'll get more time to influence the game.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 23, 2017 18:37:47 GMT
Get Kurt in there alongside him.
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Post by Godo on Nov 23, 2017 20:01:57 GMT
And replace him with who?......yes was shaky for a game and a half after his recent Scotland disappointment but is a leader and organiser and we don't have many of those and youngsters like Sobhi can only benefit in attitude and application by playing alongside him.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 23, 2017 20:07:31 GMT
Personally I'd love to see Afellay back in the side.....
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 23, 2017 20:51:35 GMT
Maybe instead give him more help by having Geoff play alongside him and Joe Allen in front of them (which would necessitate a switch back to 4-2-3-1)? Is Geoff fit again yet as I haven’t heard anything for a couple of days? he never has a break for less than a month!!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 23, 2017 22:03:51 GMT
No but he needs some help in there.
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Post by potterpaul on Nov 23, 2017 22:58:42 GMT
I like the idea of playing Zouma as the holding midfielder along with one of either Fletcher or Allan. I'd prefer it to be Fletcher and give Allan a shot at RWB allowing Diouf to move up front
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 23:00:07 GMT
Maybe not drop him but when he’s blowing out his arse after 70 mins how about bring Adam or afellay on instead of just the one predictable sub being crouch
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 23, 2017 23:39:25 GMT
Maybe not drop him but when he’s blowing out his arse after 70 mins how about bring Adam or afellay on instead of just the one predictable sub being crouch Adam will be blowing out his arse after 30 seconds
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 23, 2017 23:46:30 GMT
Fletcher shouldn't need to cross the ball. That's the fullbacks job. He needs to follow his runner though.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Nov 23, 2017 23:49:06 GMT
We're definitely getting to the point where we can't keep playing with 2 defensive minded midfielders.
We need a ball player. Someone who can keep possession, and is calm in possession
I'm not sure how sit Affelay is, or if he's anything remotely like he used to be
But I'd be giving him serious thought alongside Allen.
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Post by Gods on Nov 24, 2017 0:04:33 GMT
There is not an earthly of Fletcher being dropped. He was BBC Man Of The Match at Brighton. Just forget it, its not happening.
Man of the match - Darren Fletcher (Stoke City)
Darren Fletcher
Providing the base for which Shaqiri could build his brilliance, Fletcher made more passes (52) than anyone else on his side, four of which were key passes, and also had more touches (71) than any other Potters player.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 24, 2017 0:06:20 GMT
There is not an earthly of Fletcher being dropped. He was BBC Man Of The Match at Brighton. Just forget it, its not happening. Man of the match - Darren Fletcher (Stoke City) Darren Fletcher Providing the base for which Shaqiri could build his brilliance, Fletcher made more passes (52) than anyone else on his side, four of which were key passes, and also had more touches (71) than any other Potters player. Do you know how many of those passes found a stoke player?
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Post by Gods on Nov 24, 2017 0:34:21 GMT
There is not an earthly of Fletcher being dropped. He was BBC Man Of The Match at Brighton. Just forget it, its not happening. Man of the match - Darren Fletcher (Stoke City) Darren Fletcher Providing the base for which Shaqiri could build his brilliance, Fletcher made more passes (52) than anyone else on his side, four of which were key passes, and also had more touches (71) than any other Potters player. Do you know how many of those passes found a stoke player? No I don't. I'm just calling it as it is. Fletcher is about as far from getting dropped as it is humanly possible to be.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Nov 24, 2017 0:39:05 GMT
He's been average at best, he should have been a whelan upgrade but still thinking and looking for his best attributes to the team. Joe allen is like a headless chuken but always gives his all.... FLETCHER couldn't cross a poling card on Monday ! Can i have some of you have taken for the weekend please.... it's time i went raving...or have those days passed ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 24, 2017 1:08:48 GMT
Do you know how many of those passes found a stoke player? No I don't. I'm just calling it as it is. Fletcher is about as far from getting dropped as it is humanly possible to be. I agree, its ridiculous but as you say not a chance it will happen.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 24, 2017 7:42:28 GMT
We're definitely getting to the point where we can't keep playing with 2 defensive minded midfielders. We need a ball player. Someone who can keep possession, and is calm in possession I'm not sure how sit Affelay is, or if he's anything remotely like he used to be But I'd be giving him serious thought alongside Allen. Fletcher is excellent on the ball, he just doesn't have the legs to pay in a two man central midfield
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Post by stokemark on Nov 24, 2017 11:41:09 GMT
We're definitely getting to the point where we can't keep playing with 2 defensive minded midfielders. We need a ball player. Someone who can keep possession, and is calm in possession I'm not sure how sit Affelay is, or if he's anything remotely like he used to be But I'd be giving him serious thought alongside Allen. Fletcher is excellent on the ball, he just doesn't have the legs to pay in a two man central midfield 100% Correct
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Post by pez75 on Nov 24, 2017 12:39:41 GMT
There is not an earthly of Fletcher being dropped. He was BBC Man Of The Match at Brighton. Just forget it, its not happening. Man of the match - Darren Fletcher (Stoke City) Darren Fletcher Providing the base for which Shaqiri could build his brilliance, Fletcher made more passes (52) than anyone else on his side, four of which were key passes, and also had more touches (71) than any other Potters player. Do you know how many of those passes found a stoke player? I will bet you will find it is the majority. I think people are getting a bit too hung up on a couple of shit set pieces after Shaq went off. Fletcher is playing well and is nowhere near being our main problem.
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Post by ohbottom on Nov 24, 2017 12:43:20 GMT
There is not an earthly of Fletcher being dropped. He was BBC Man Of The Match at Brighton. Just forget it, its not happening. Man of the match - Darren Fletcher (Stoke City) Darren Fletcher Providing the base for which Shaqiri could build his brilliance, Fletcher made more passes (52) than anyone else on his side, four of which were key passes, and also had more touches (71) than any other Potters player. Do you know how many of those passes found a stoke player? According to this site: www.whoscored.com/Matches/1190328/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2017-2018-Brighton-Stoke he made 51 passes with an accuracy of 86.3%
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Post by pez75 on Nov 24, 2017 12:57:36 GMT
Interesting that - not that the morons on here will take any notice. More touches & more key passes than any other player too. The lowest rated players ? Pieters & Wimmer - surpise, surprise...
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Post by hanibal7 on Nov 24, 2017 13:04:30 GMT
I would drop Pieters and play Choupo as wing back. Back four Kurt, Ryan, Bruno and Wimmer! Delusional
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Post by alster on Nov 24, 2017 13:32:20 GMT
Do you know how many of those passes found a stoke player? I will bet you will find it is the majority. I think people are getting a bit too hung up on a couple of shit set pieces after Shaq went off. Fletcher is playing well and is nowhere near being our main problem. Main problem Hmmmm, There are so many to choose from. Fletcher isn't really what we needed but I'll give you that he isn't our main problem which is either trying to play without a centre forward, playing 3 at the back without any effective wingbacks or the managers shit scared negative tactics. So yeah plenty to go at before you get to Fletcher not to mention Allen because if we'd got what we needed instead of Fletcher in a big unit of a mobile central midfielder then that would not really complement Allen who would then require replacing by a far more creative central midfielder. As a few have said previously signing Allen has caused many problems, no physical presence for a holding midfielder not good enough on the ball for a creative midfielder I honestly think he's the fly in the ointment in central midfield despite his admirable effort.
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Post by pez75 on Nov 24, 2017 14:36:28 GMT
I will bet you will find it is the majority. I think people are getting a bit too hung up on a couple of shit set pieces after Shaq went off. Fletcher is playing well and is nowhere near being our main problem. Main problem Hmmmm, There are so many to choose from. Fletcher isn't really what we needed but I'll give you that he isn't our main problem which is either trying to play without a centre forward, playing 3 at the back without any effective wingbacks or the managers shit scared negative tactics. So yeah plenty to go at before you get to Fletcher not to mention Allen because if we'd got what we needed instead of Fletcher in a big unit of a mobile central midfielder then that would not really complement Allen who would then require replacing by a far more creative central midfielder. As a few have said previously signing Allen has caused many problems, no physical presence for a holding midfielder not good enough on the ball for a creative midfielder I honestly think he's the fly in the ointment in central midfield despite his admirable effort. I think Fletcher & Allen are doing a decent job - the problem is they are often outnumbered in the middle of the pitch and left isolated due to the woeful application of this 'wingback' system, and our tactical formation in general.
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Post by alster on Nov 24, 2017 15:29:04 GMT
Main problem Hmmmm, There are so many to choose from. Fletcher isn't really what we needed but I'll give you that he isn't our main problem which is either trying to play without a centre forward, playing 3 at the back without any effective wingbacks or the managers shit scared negative tactics. So yeah plenty to go at before you get to Fletcher not to mention Allen because if we'd got what we needed instead of Fletcher in a big unit of a mobile central midfielder then that would not really complement Allen who would then require replacing by a far more creative central midfielder. As a few have said previously signing Allen has caused many problems, no physical presence for a holding midfielder not good enough on the ball for a creative midfielder I honestly think he's the fly in the ointment in central midfield despite his admirable effort. I think Fletcher & Allen are doing a decent job - the problem is they are often outnumbered in the middle of the pitch and left isolated due to the woeful application of this 'wingback' system, and our tactical formation in general. Neither are particularly creative, neither have much in the way of physical presence, neither are great tacklers. As I said they're doing their best particularly Joe who shows great effort but they aren't a good combination and to be honest I'm not sure any combination of 2 players of which one is Joe can be a great combination despite his effort and work ethic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2017 16:08:42 GMT
The midfield is a gaping chasm that is just ran through without any fight put up.
Fletcher and Allen should be dropped for Brighton's first goal alone. What were they playing at? Just kick him if you can't get the ball.
Allen has been a lot better of late tbf but Fletcher has been awful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 16:14:18 GMT
Yes. Never thought of that, seymour. Just want Pieters out of the side. For now anyway. Kick up the rear end needed. Left for dead at least once the other night at full back, and cannot cross a ball to save his life. Just cannot see the point of the bloke at the moment.
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Post by Davef on Nov 24, 2017 16:19:42 GMT
Fletcher and Allen should be dropped for Brighton's first goal alone. What were they playing at? Just kick him if you can't get the ball. Great idea. Seriously, log off for a month.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2017 16:21:00 GMT
Fletcher and Allen should be dropped for Brighton's first goal alone. What were they playing at? Just kick him if you can't get the ball. Great idea. Seriously, log off for a month. It would be if we did what we needed in the summer. Which of course we didn't. Fletcher definitely should be dropped for the weekend though, that shouldn't even be in question.
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Post by pez75 on Nov 24, 2017 16:26:51 GMT
The midfield is a gaping chasm that is just ran through without any fight put up. Fletcher and Allen should be dropped for Brighton's first goal alone. What were they playing at? Just kick him if you can't get the ball. Allen has been a lot better of late tbf but Fletcher has been awful. You will find that the worst attempt at a tackle in that farce was Eric fucking Pieters - he then recovered long enough to lie down in front of the guy who had the scoring shot too. If any player should be dropped it is this clown. Wank every game yet still gets a shirt without fail. The debacle against Mahrez then this - watch the goal again and tell me what you think of his input. He then goes on to have laughs and a pat on the arse for Glenn Murray the biggest twat on the pitch. The midfield is under more pressure because of the glaring inadequacies of this aberration of a 'wingback' system.
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