ramin
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Post by ramin on Nov 22, 2017 14:09:52 GMT
A big name loan with attitude problem who has been dropped once and forever?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 22, 2017 14:14:06 GMT
Attitude problem? Do you know something we don't?
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Post by block27row27 on Nov 22, 2017 14:15:30 GMT
Don't think the problem is attitude. The problem appears to be a severely ill newborn baby affecting him mentally.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Nov 22, 2017 14:15:49 GMT
I hope not, he has tallent to burn and I don't think he needs a team building around him to affect the game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 14:16:45 GMT
How dare he have a sick child.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2017 14:19:16 GMT
How dare he have a sick child. I think that's way too simplistic a way to look at it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 14:22:25 GMT
How dare he have a sick child. I think that's way too simplistic a way to look at it. Totally agree but it's the first, and quite a large stumbling block in offering any critique on him as a Stoke City player. Jumping to conclusions about his attitude is equally as simplistic, and plain wrong. |
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ramin
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Post by ramin on Nov 22, 2017 14:26:21 GMT
Attitude problem? Do you know something we don't? His body language on the pitch says it all. giving his teammates shit and telling everyone how to play while he is the one lacking any effort or passion. He clearly sees himself too good to be here. |
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Post by flea79 on Nov 22, 2017 14:29:00 GMT
worse I reckon
Bony had scored 2 by now for us, Jese scored against arsenal and that has been it since then!
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Post by 4evastoke on Nov 22, 2017 14:39:50 GMT
Jesse has a sick child bat home WTF is Berahinos excuse.
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ramin
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Post by ramin on Nov 22, 2017 14:41:10 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Nov 22, 2017 14:44:08 GMT
worse I reckon Bony had scored 2 by now for us, Jese scored against arsenal and that has been it since then! Bony had 2 Goals in 690 mins in a Stoke shirt, Jese has 1 Goal and 1 Assist in 460. Jese has also put in 2x the amount of tackles per game in addtition to showing better passing and moments of much better movement too, all while going through the stuff he is dealing with. |
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Post by flea79 on Nov 22, 2017 14:46:52 GMT
worse I reckon Bony had scored 2 by now for us, Jese scored against arsenal and that has been it since then! Bony had 2 Goals in 690 mins in a Stoke shirt, Jese has 1 Goal and 1 Assist in 460. Jese has also put in 2x the amount of tackles per game in addtition to showing better passing and moments of much better movement too, all while going through the stuff he is dealing with. your quite correct, I was meaning it in jest really, surely the travelling cant be helping him as its not really a quick hop over from Gran Canaria, could the club not perhaps look at helping him in some way and moving the child and wife closer? (obviously if it was medically possible) |
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Post by alster on Nov 22, 2017 14:49:39 GMT
He's even less effective Bony can't run but at least he's still got great strength and is hard to get the ball from.
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Post by StokieNath on Nov 22, 2017 14:54:06 GMT
Another bang average player.
If he was something "Special" He wouldn't be out on loan here would be?
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Nov 22, 2017 15:00:51 GMT
Bony had 2 Goals in 690 mins in a Stoke shirt, Jese has 1 Goal and 1 Assist in 460. Jese has also put in 2x the amount of tackles per game in addtition to showing better passing and moments of much better movement too, all while going through the stuff he is dealing with. your quite correct, I was meaning it in jest really, surely the travelling cant be helping him as its not really a quick hop over from Gran Canaria, could the club not perhaps look at helping him in some way and moving the child and wife closer? (obviously if it was medically possible) It's a good question, to my mind you either give the guy compassionate leave and have no expectations to play or you move the care here. All I know is that I would like to see him playing near his best here. Fully fit I would be tempted to give him a run as a proper left flanker running from deep. All that said.... If the above link is accurate and he hasn't been seeing the kid and he has just been taking the piss and tossing it off in Spain I would issue him a final warning with a view to loan contract termination. |
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Post by flea79 on Nov 22, 2017 15:04:22 GMT
your quite correct, I was meaning it in jest really, surely the travelling cant be helping him as its not really a quick hop over from Gran Canaria, could the club not perhaps look at helping him in some way and moving the child and wife closer? (obviously if it was medically possible) It's a good question, to my mind you either give the guy compassionate leave and have no expectations to play or you move the care here. All I know is that I would like to see him playing near his best here. Fully fit I would be tempted to give him a run as a proper left flanker running from deep. All that said.... If the above link is accurate and he hasn't been seeing the kid and he has just been taking the piss and tossing it off in Spain I would issue him a final warning with a view to loan contract termination. I imagine we have paid a large chuck for his loan fee and a large amount of his wages, at the end of the day its a business and if I was Coates I would want some return for the money I have paid if the link is right and that's his game then fuck him off |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2017 15:12:55 GMT
I think that's way too simplistic a way to look at it. Totally agree but It's the first, and quite a large stumbling block in offering any critique on him as a Stoke City player. Jumping to conclusions about his attitude is equally as simplistic, and plain wrong. Is it? We've got to judge on what we've seen and what came before since his injury at his other clubs. What we've seen ties in with what was seen there and why he's been loaned out. He's playing like Bojan did when he came back from injury. I agree re attitude and actually don't think there's any evidence to suggest it's been anything but spot on. He's just been a bit shit and looks like someone who's body can't do what his brain wants it to do. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 22, 2017 15:15:31 GMT
I think we need to see him in a few more games before we decide whether he's a busted flush. It's frustrating because he has shown in the past he's something special but has he lost his mojo? Has the injury taken too much from him? Is his personal situation too problematic? If the answer is 'yes' to all of these questions then we'd be wise to try and look elsewhere come January if we can get out of the loan.
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Post by leoncort on Nov 22, 2017 15:16:50 GMT
He's got a lot going on behind the scenes and within his family life, hes a human being afterall and i know my worklife would suffer with a severely ill child of mine was in hospital in another country.
i think he's a credit that he still trains and wants to play in the matches.
We're judging him after a spell in which he played a lot of good sides and good defenders. Took his goal well against arsenal and i back him to perform in another run in the side. Cant be worse than Ramadan.
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Post by spitshaw on Nov 22, 2017 15:44:18 GMT
that 'ambition' video we released isn't looking too clever now is it? 😂
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 22, 2017 15:46:08 GMT
Another bang average player. If he was something "Special" He wouldn't be out on loan here would be? Spoken like a "true" Stoke supporter. |
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Post by chad on Nov 22, 2017 15:48:53 GMT
Not had much of a chance and obviously affected by his problems. Having said that I’ve seen nothing yet that says he’s anything other than bang average
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 15:55:40 GMT
We seem to have a knack of creating/inheriting these clusterfucks.
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ramin
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Post by ramin on Nov 22, 2017 16:40:43 GMT
He's got a lot going on behind the scenes and within his family life, hes a human being afterall and i know my worklife would suffer with a severely ill child of mine was in hospital in another country. i think he's a credit that he still trains and wants to play in the matches. We're judging him after a spell in which he played a lot of good sides and good defenders. Took his goal well against arsenal and i back him to perform in another run in the side. Cant be worse than Ramadan. Ramadan is ours, Jese isn't. Ramadan is 20 years old, Jese isn't. Ramadan is a hard worker who works his socks off for the team, Jese isn't. Every minute on the pitch for Ramadan is helping his development which is useful for us in the long term. Jese has to be way better than Ramadan to deserve his place and game time. which he isn't |
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Post by StokieNath on Nov 22, 2017 16:46:30 GMT
Another bang average player. If he was something "Special" He wouldn't be out on loan here would be? Spoken like a "true" Stoke supporter. A true supporter shouldn't sugarcoat anything. Grow up and realise he's quite simply shit and offers jack shit. |
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Post by leoncort on Nov 22, 2017 16:49:50 GMT
He's got a lot going on behind the scenes and within his family life, hes a human being afterall and i know my worklife would suffer with a severely ill child of mine was in hospital in another country. i think he's a credit that he still trains and wants to play in the matches. We're judging him after a spell in which he played a lot of good sides and good defenders. Took his goal well against arsenal and i back him to perform in another run in the side. Cant be worse than Ramadan. Ramadan is ours, Jese isn't. Ramadan is 20 years old, Jese isn't. Ramadan is a hard worker who works his socks off for the team, Jese isn't. Every minute on the pitch for Ramadan is helping his development which is useful for us in the long term. Jese has to be way better than Ramadan to deserve his place and game time. which he isn't Jese has a goal and an assist this season, Ramadan hasn't. Jese has won us a game this season, Ramadan hasnt. Hard work with no talent takes you down. |
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Post by alster on Nov 22, 2017 16:53:15 GMT
He's got a lot going on behind the scenes and within his family life, hes a human being afterall and i know my worklife would suffer with a severely ill child of mine was in hospital in another country. i think he's a credit that he still trains and wants to play in the matches. We're judging him after a spell in which he played a lot of good sides and good defenders. Took his goal well against arsenal and i back him to perform in another run in the side. Cant be worse than Ramadan. Ramadan is ours, Jese isn't. Ramadan is 20 years old, Jese isn't. Ramadan is a hard worker who works his socks off for the team, Jese isn't. Every minute on the pitch for Ramadan is helping his development which is useful for us in the long term. Jese has to be way better than Ramadan to deserve his place and game time. which he isn't I was with you till you wrote that I don't think the role is doing him any good at all. Its stifling his attacking instincts it would only be helping his development if you were thinking of developing him as a wingback and personally I think he's too slow for that role. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 22, 2017 17:07:16 GMT
Anybody who has had a sick child will fully sympathise with him , he’s playing in another country and his baby is ill, if that doesn’t affect your work then I don’t know what would , let’s judge the lad when his baby gets better as his frustrations on the pitch is totally understandable when you think what he’s coping with , some of the comments on here are probably off people who have never had kids
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Post by Northy on Nov 22, 2017 17:11:34 GMT
Bony had 2 Goals in 690 mins in a Stoke shirt, Jese has 1 Goal and 1 Assist in 460. Jese has also put in 2x the amount of tackles per game in addtition to showing better passing and moments of much better movement too, all while going through the stuff he is dealing with. your quite correct, I was meaning it in jest really, surely the travelling cant be helping him as its not really a quick hop over from Gran Canaria, could the club not perhaps look at helping him in some way and moving the child and wife closer? (obviously if it was medically possible) with the money he has already got and is still earning, you'd think he could manage that himself and would have thought about it when signing on loan ? or even taken a year out until his kid got better? |
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