|
Post by Dresden_scfc on Nov 7, 2017 20:44:55 GMT
Butland by far he puts the balk in the right areas when saving a shot just needs improve kicking out of play too often but would never criticise the guy he's mustard.
|
|
|
Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 7, 2017 20:48:32 GMT
It's not even good bait. He's just tedious. He's a a pisser isn't he? He moans and whines about net spend and lack of investment in the squad, then balls out one of our genuine quality players who's worth the kind of money he wants spending on the team. Does my bloody swede in but he must be on a wind up bit like young rickyfuller further up. Ok Butland may not be in absolutely top form at the moment but he is, as you say, probably our only quality player and his form will return.
|
|
|
Post by Vermelho20312505 on Nov 7, 2017 22:18:07 GMT
Which season? Jack has only had one full season for us and he was bloody brilliant. I really liked what Begovic did for us but he used to make some dumb decisions especially coming off his line. He's a quality keeper but in my opinion when Jack is on (which he is most of the time) I expect him to save everything. Never felt quite as confident with Begovic as with Butland. As for a paucity of top keepers for England, I thought it was generally recognised that the pool to choose from is better than it has been for decades. In addition I can't think of other countries who have as many options in that position. 2012/13 and probably season before as well. I would have that Bego back in a heartbeat. I dont think our keepers are that good. Hart/Butland/Forster/Pickford...none are world class (yet...in Butlands case), Jack has the potential, he is only 24, but I dont think he commands his area well or deals with crosses that well. Goalkicking is the biggest misnomer in football today. Far far too much importance is based on a bloody keepers kicking. Leave the kicking/passing to outfield players, if its that important, just stick a fooking centre-half in goal!!!! I think your comments are fair enough especially in respect of kicking. However I think that England have not had a crop of great keepers to pick from for decades and so this bunch is more than acceptable. I do think Jack is already World class though.
|
|
|
Post by BuzzB on Nov 7, 2017 22:45:08 GMT
2012/13 and probably season before as well. I would have that Bego back in a heartbeat. I dont think our keepers are that good. Hart/Butland/Forster/Pickford...none are world class (yet...in Butlands case), Jack has the potential, he is only 24, but I dont think he commands his area well or deals with crosses that well. Goalkicking is the biggest misnomer in football today. Far far too much importance is based on a bloody keepers kicking. Leave the kicking/passing to outfield players, if its that important, just stick a fooking centre-half in goal!!!! I think your comments are fair enough especially in respect of kicking. However I think that England have not had a crop of great keepers to pick from for decades and so this bunch is more than acceptable. I do think Jack is already World class though. Jacks kicking was pretty much immaculate on Saturday, looks like he has been working on it. Give them a game each this week for me. How many under 23 caps has Pickford got? Butlands International experience surely gives him the edge though this is Southgate we are talking about!
|
|
|
Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 8, 2017 8:16:14 GMT
I think your comments are fair enough especially in respect of kicking. However I think that England have not had a crop of great keepers to pick from for decades and so this bunch is more than acceptable. I do think Jack is already World class though. Jacks kicking was pretty much immaculate on Saturday, looks like he has been working on it. Give them a game each this week for me. How many under 23 caps has Pickford got? Butlands International experience surely gives him the edge though this is Southgate we are talking about! Prefer him to work on his command of his are and crosses. Leave the kicking to the outfield players....
|
|
|
Post by shangamuzo on Nov 8, 2017 18:51:01 GMT
What more could he have done on the Mahrez goal ? When you've got a defender between you and the attacker who in only 6 yards from your goal line, your priority as a keeper is always your near post but you've gotta position to have half a chance at diving across goal if the attacker gets a shot round your defender. When the attacker then smashes it at you from 6 yards and it goes through the defenders legs you've not got time to think never mind react. If he'd of saved that people would of said it was a great save just like the 1 he did save in the 1st half, if that had of gone in he wouldn't of been at fault for it either. Not let it go right under him? It was poor. Isn't that something of a problem for all giant keepers like Forster, Begovich and Butland ? They take that bit longer to get down to low shots. They say the ideal height for a keeper is 6ft-3ins but arguably the greatest ever-Gordon Banks- was/is 6ft-1ins. As is Pickford.
|
|
|
Post by adi on Nov 8, 2017 19:03:59 GMT
Butland easily. Look at the state of Pickford these last 2 seasons. Have to say on another note that when jack goes I’d go get Adrian, always been very impressive.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2017 20:17:08 GMT
Not let it go right under him? It was poor. Isn't that something of a problem for all giant keepers like Forster, Begovich and Butland ? They take that bit longer to get down to low shots. They say the ideal height for a keeper is 6ft-3ins but arguably the greatest ever-Gordon Banks- was/is 6ft-1ins. As is Pickford. Pickford's shit so there is that.
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 8, 2017 21:13:39 GMT
And I suppose Pickford hasn't been at fault for any of the 22 goals Everton have conceded this season? Everton as a whole team have been dire, just like us. He's only been the real player that's caught my eye with calvert-lewin. Wait what, he's been awful so far this season.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 22:43:32 GMT
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 8, 2017 23:33:34 GMT
Butlands spot to lose if that turns out to be true.
|
|
|
Post by JoeinOz on Nov 9, 2017 8:32:37 GMT
Good luck Buto.
|
|
|
Post by cousindupree on Nov 9, 2017 10:05:57 GMT
I would expect Pickford to be given a game against Brazil. Still not convinced it's the end of Hart though and friendlies closer to the summer will confirm whether Southgate has changed his mind over who he thinks is the best English keeper.
|
|
|
Post by cousindupree on Nov 10, 2017 9:44:21 GMT
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Dec 6, 2017 10:05:10 GMT
Talk of Hart being dropped by West Ham - so the contest between these two is really going to ramp up.
But Pickford is going to start looking better behind an Allardyce defence?
|
|
|
Post by rawli on Dec 6, 2017 10:57:39 GMT
Go for Hart or Pope when Jack goes in the summer?
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 6, 2017 11:18:29 GMT
Go for Hart or Pope when Jack goes in the summer? Hart's head is gone, we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole.
|
|
|
Post by wearepremierleague on Dec 6, 2017 11:18:32 GMT
Go for Hart or Pope when Jack goes in the summer? I'd rather Haugaard than Hart
|
|
|
Post by rawli on Dec 6, 2017 11:36:35 GMT
Go for Hart or Pope when Jack goes in the summer? Hart's head is gone, we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole. On the upside it's a flake free head.
|
|
|
Post by pyrus on Dec 6, 2017 12:43:04 GMT
|
|
|
Post by nonameface on Dec 6, 2017 19:51:44 GMT
Go for Hart or Pope when Jack goes in the summer? Hart's head is gone, we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole. Agreed, we need to sign more players on the up than those who need rebuilding.
|
|
|
Post by supacoopa101 on Dec 6, 2017 20:35:31 GMT
I think we will keep Butland for a bit. Suffering injuries is never good for his career but I think clubs interested will stave off a little bit because of the injuries he has had
|
|
|
Post by steewee on Dec 6, 2017 20:48:34 GMT
Pickford at international level based on his last performance. For some reason seems more assured than Butland.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Dec 9, 2017 12:26:35 GMT
Surely he can't go to Russia as No.1?
|
|
|
Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 9, 2017 12:38:37 GMT
Well that is probably the only bit of good news today.
If we drop hart we might get through the group at the world cup
|
|