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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 6, 2017 18:36:15 GMT
Pickford for me, just. Butland making too many mistakes. Awful kicking, should've stopped 2 on Saturday. I do feel he needs to move on to better his career. Im not even surprised you've posted that. Well I said it towards the end of last season. Jacks shown he's a quality keeper, but this season he's letting in goals that he would've saved a few years ago. If he wants the #1 for England he needs to move.
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Post by Davef on Nov 6, 2017 18:38:00 GMT
Im not even surprised you've posted that. Well I said it towards the end of last season. Jacks shown he's a quality keeper, but this season he's letting in goals that he would've saved a few years ago. If he wants the #1 for England he needs to move. You were wrong then as well.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Nov 6, 2017 18:38:56 GMT
Im not even surprised you've posted that. Well I said it towards the end of last season. Jacks shown he's a quality keeper, but this season he's letting in goals that he would've saved a few years ago. If he wants the #1 for England he needs to move. 'Angling'for a response from folk again I see you cheeky little fisherman.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Nov 6, 2017 18:39:54 GMT
Well I said it towards the end of last season. Jacks shown he's a quality keeper, but this season he's letting in goals that he would've saved a few years ago. If he wants the #1 for England he needs to move. 'Angling'for a response from folk again I see you cheeky little fisherman. Bloody auto correct, that was supposed to say fucktard not fisherman! ;-)
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 6, 2017 18:40:06 GMT
Well I said it towards the end of last season. Jacks shown he's a quality keeper, but this season he's letting in goals that he would've saved a few years ago. If he wants the #1 for England he needs to move. You were wrong then as well. The Mahrez goal. Do you not think he would've saved that a few years ago? I want Jack to succeed. A young British keeper that seems like a genuinely nice bloke as well. He's got competition though with Pickford, another young keeper who's arguably just ahead of him.
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Post by Davef on Nov 6, 2017 18:52:32 GMT
You were wrong then as well. The Mahrez goal. Do you not think he would've saved that a few years ago? I want Jack to succeed. A young British keeper that seems like a genuinely nice bloke as well. He's got competition though with Pickford, another young keeper who's arguably just ahead of him. And I suppose Pickford hasn't been at fault for any of the 22 goals Everton have conceded this season?
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 6, 2017 19:11:45 GMT
Butland is better than Pickford. Neither are as good as Begovic was for us. Butland is probably best English keeper currently available to Southgate, the paucity of outstanding English keepers is sad to behold. Really?! Yeah, really. That season we had Bego was ridiculously good, better than any season Butland has had for us.
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Post by liathroid on Nov 6, 2017 19:43:42 GMT
Butland is the better keeper, Pickford to flappy for my liking and never in control of the parry
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Post by tuum on Nov 6, 2017 19:44:21 GMT
Butland is better than Pickford. Neither are as good as Begovic was for us. Butland is probably best English keeper currently available to Southgate, the paucity of outstanding English keepers is sad to behold. Not sure that Butland is better than Pickford. I am a big fan of Jack but he has looked a bit dodgy this year...especially on crosses. He definitely does not command his area like he used to. I would happily sell him for 30MM if we couuld get Bego back for less than 10MM. I am ok with Grant for a season as a stop gap if Begovic is not available. As for kicking ability?...I really couldn't give a shit...a bit like a ball playing centre half...it is about 10% of a players effectiveness in my opinion.Focus on the core discipline is my motto.
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Post by tuum on Nov 6, 2017 19:49:37 GMT
Pickford for me, just. Butland making too many mistakes. Awful kicking, should've stopped 2 on Saturday. I do feel he needs to move on to better his career. Agree from what I have seen of both this season but do not agree that Butland was at fault for any of the goals on Saturday.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 6, 2017 20:01:04 GMT
Butland is better as far as I'm concerned. He is however not playing as well as he did before his injury. Hopefully it's just a blip......time will tell.
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Post by armitagestokie on Nov 6, 2017 20:03:02 GMT
Butland for me, Pickford too unreliable.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Nov 6, 2017 20:13:47 GMT
Yeah, really. That season we had Bego was ridiculously good, better than any season Butland has had for us. Which season? Jack has only had one full season for us and he was bloody brilliant. I really liked what Begovic did for us but he used to make some dumb decisions especially coming off his line. He's a quality keeper but in my opinion when Jack is on (which he is most of the time) I expect him to save everything. Never felt quite as confident with Begovic as with Butland. As for a paucity of top keepers for England, I thought it was generally recognised that the pool to choose from is better than it has been for decades. In addition I can't think of other countries who have as many options in that position.
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 6, 2017 20:27:54 GMT
You were wrong then as well. The Mahrez goal. Do you not think he would've saved that a few years ago? I want Jack to succeed. A young British keeper that seems like a genuinely nice bloke as well. He's got competition though with Pickford, another young keeper who's arguably just ahead of him. Pickford's weaknesses were well exposed in yesterday's game against Watford, he has a regular tendency to push the ball during a save into dangerous areas instead of out of harms way.He also gave the penalty away. I think he's a decent keeper but a bit young and raw and isn't ready yet to be trusted as England's No 1.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 6, 2017 20:43:18 GMT
The Mahrez goal. Do you not think he would've saved that a few years ago? I want Jack to succeed. A young British keeper that seems like a genuinely nice bloke as well. He's got competition though with Pickford, another young keeper who's arguably just ahead of him. And I suppose Pickford hasn't been at fault for any of the 22 goals Everton have conceded this season? Everton as a whole team have been dire, just like us. He's only been the real player that's caught my eye with calvert-lewin.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 6, 2017 20:58:49 GMT
Pickford is terrible.
Said it when he was at Sunderland. Still have the same opinion now.
Any keeper can look good in a side that gets battered every week as they're bound to pull off a few good saves and the rest of the team get blamed for the goals they do concede.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 21:22:01 GMT
England are blessed with possibly the best bunch of keepers in the world. We have 4 top class keepers. Shame we can't find the same in midfield
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 7, 2017 8:56:43 GMT
Yeah, really. That season we had Bego was ridiculously good, better than any season Butland has had for us. Which season? Jack has only had one full season for us and he was bloody brilliant. I really liked what Begovic did for us but he used to make some dumb decisions especially coming off his line. He's a quality keeper but in my opinion when Jack is on (which he is most of the time) I expect him to save everything. Never felt quite as confident with Begovic as with Butland. As for a paucity of top keepers for England, I thought it was generally recognised that the pool to choose from is better than it has been for decades. In addition I can't think of other countries who have as many options in that position. 2012/13 and probably season before as well. I would have that Bego back in a heartbeat. I dont think our keepers are that good. Hart/Butland/Forster/Pickford...none are world class (yet...in Butlands case), Jack has the potential, he is only 24, but I dont think he commands his area well or deals with crosses that well. Goalkicking is the biggest misnomer in football today. Far far too much importance is based on a bloody keepers kicking. Leave the kicking/passing to outfield players, if its that important, just stick a fooking centre-half in goal!!!!
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 7, 2017 10:43:14 GMT
You were wrong then as well. The Mahrez goal. Do you not think he would've saved that a few years ago? I want Jack to succeed. A young British keeper that seems like a genuinely nice bloke as well. He's got competition though with Pickford, another young keeper who's arguably just ahead of him. What more could he have done on the Mahrez goal ? When you've got a defender between you and the attacker who in only 6 yards from your goal line, your priority as a keeper is always your near post but you've gotta position to have half a chance at diving across goal if the attacker gets a shot round your defender. When the attacker then smashes it at you from 6 yards and it goes through the defenders legs you've not got time to think never mind react. If he'd of saved that people would of said it was a great save just like the 1 he did save in the 1st half, if that had of gone in he wouldn't of been at fault for it either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2017 11:18:56 GMT
The Mahrez goal. Do you not think he would've saved that a few years ago? I want Jack to succeed. A young British keeper that seems like a genuinely nice bloke as well. He's got competition though with Pickford, another young keeper who's arguably just ahead of him. What more could he have done on the Mahrez goal ? When you've got a defender between you and the attacker who in only 6 yards from your goal line, your priority as a keeper is always your near post but you've gotta position to have half a chance at diving across goal if the attacker gets a shot round your defender. When the attacker then smashes it at you from 6 yards and it goes through the defenders legs you've not got time to think never mind react. If he'd of saved that people would of said it was a great save just like the 1 he did save in the 1st half, if that had of gone in he wouldn't of been at fault for it either. Not let it go right under him? It was poor.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 7, 2017 11:54:49 GMT
Butland better hope that Southgate isnt reading the BBC or looking too much at the stats: www.bbc.com/sport/football/41822455He has the 2nd worse ratio of goals to saves in the league this season. For me he has still been in pretty good form and deserves to be England Number 1. But maybe hes going to miss his chance based upon these numbers?
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Post by wuzza on Nov 7, 2017 12:01:35 GMT
There is a definite media bandwagon building up for Pickford and past England managers have not been known for resisting that sort of pressure. Jack needs a few eye catching games.
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Post by rawli on Nov 7, 2017 12:12:38 GMT
'Angling'for a response from folk again I see you cheeky little fisherman. Bloody auto correct, that was supposed to say fucktard not fisherman! ;-) Fisherman works though.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 7, 2017 13:27:46 GMT
The problem is Southgate is running out of time. Does he stick with diamond Joe who is hopping from mistake to mistake, or does he finally take a punt and go for some young blood and play the game. I would pick Jack, but I am biased. I won't lie. Pickford is a good solid keeper though.
If Hart recovered some form, I wouldn't blame him for sticking with him. People might forget this, but Hart legitimately was one of the top 5 keepers in the world not that long ago. His career has taken an incredibly nosedive all things considered.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 13:38:09 GMT
This makes harsh reading: m.bbc.com/sport/football/41822455"Butland has conceded 5.7 goals more than would be expected based on the quality of chances he has faced, while his record of saving only 54.2% of shots is worse than every Premier League keeper except Simon Mignolet"
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Post by Godo on Nov 7, 2017 14:02:08 GMT
Obviously I'm biased but while Pickford is an agile shot stopper he certainly doesn't command the area, flaps at crosses, kicking isn't great and positional sense questionable. I think Jack is better all round and is £42m worth if Pickford is £30m.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 7, 2017 19:26:04 GMT
This makes harsh reading: m.bbc.com/sport/football/41822455"Butland has conceded 5.7 goals more than would be expected based on the quality of chances he has faced, while his record of saving only 54.2% of shots is worse than every Premier League keeper except Simon Mignolet" Funny how the stats bear out intuition from watching , got slaughtered for suggesting he might have the give way to grant on the basis of form , but poor performances at Brighton and palace might just see it one things for sure if the numbers were the same for grant people would be calling for him to make way
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 7, 2017 19:28:15 GMT
This makes harsh reading: m.bbc.com/sport/football/41822455"Butland has conceded 5.7 goals more than would be expected based on the quality of chances he has faced, while his record of saving only 54.2% of shots is worse than every Premier League keeper except Simon Mignolet" Funny how the stats bear out intuition from watching , got slaughtered for suggesting he might have the give way to grant on the basis of form , but poor performances at Brighton and palace might just see it one things for sure if the numbers were the same for grant people would be calling for him to make way Scraping the barrel with this one pal.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 7, 2017 20:32:53 GMT
Funny how the stats bear out intuition from watching , got slaughtered for suggesting he might have the give way to grant on the basis of form , but poor performances at Brighton and palace might just see it one things for sure if the numbers were the same for grant people would be calling for him to make way Scraping the barrel with this one pal. It's not even good bait. He's just tedious.
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Post by Davef on Nov 7, 2017 20:38:19 GMT
Scraping the barrel with this one pal. It's not even good bait. He's just tedious. He's a a pisser isn't he? He moans and whines about net spend and lack of investment in the squad, then balls out one of our genuine quality players who's worth the kind of money he wants spending on the team.
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