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Post by PotterLog on Nov 7, 2017 13:08:46 GMT
I'm glad I'm not a betting man because I would have put everything I had on Moyes never getting Premier League work again.
Astonishing appointment
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 7, 2017 13:11:54 GMT
Moyes has won 10 of his last 54 competitive games as a manager. Worth pointing out that Hughes has won just 16 of his last 54 games, including a victory over Stevenage and 2 wins a piece over the dead dogs that were Hull and Sunderland. Another one of those victories was against the other relegated team. Yep. I'm not a passionate defender of Hughes, I don't know how I've given you that impression?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 7, 2017 13:14:58 GMT
Worth pointing out that Hughes has won just 16 of his last 54 games, including a victory over Stevenage and 2 wins a piece over the dead dogs that were Hull and Sunderland. Another one of those victories was against the other relegated team. Yep. I'm not a passionate defender of Hughes, I don't know how I've given you that impression? I'm not suggesting you are, Rob. I just think whilst scrutinising Moyes recent record, it's worth reminding ourselves that even after 4 points out of the last six, by any measure we are still in one hell of a slump.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 7, 2017 13:21:38 GMT
A good, solid appointment.
Reminds me of when Hughes came here.
Moyes did okay at Man Utd, no worse than LVG did in his first season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 7, 2017 13:28:15 GMT
A good, solid appointment. Reminds me of when Hughes came here. Moyes did okay at Man Utd, no worse than LVG did in his first season. Moyes was 7th when he was sacked having taken over the champions. LVG finished 4th. I'd say that was significantly worse.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Nov 7, 2017 13:30:56 GMT
A good, solid appointment. Reminds me of when Hughes came here. Moyes did okay at Man Utd, no worse than LVG did in his first season. Agreed. It is a good appointment. For all the other teams in that mid/lower league group, that is.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Nov 7, 2017 14:44:41 GMT
So having done his duty, will Agent Marco come back to Stoke or go onto another team like Agent Sonko?
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Post by lordb on Nov 7, 2017 14:49:34 GMT
So having done his duty, will Agent Marco come back to Stoke or go onto another team like Agent Sonko? He will sit on his big fat contract. West Ham will find it very difficult to shift him out. Can Moyes motivate him?
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 7, 2017 14:51:22 GMT
Moyes is an absolutely staggering appointment on all levels. Fancy taking on a man who, when he took over at relegation candidates Sunderland, outright said they weren't good enough and wouldn't attract players.
Bizarre.
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Post by thisfish on Nov 7, 2017 14:59:15 GMT
Moyes is an entirely uninspiring appointment for West Ham. Dour, morose, as charismatic as a lead weight.Hardly the man to inspire a team to lift their performances. Didn't really make Sunderland a cohesive that's hard to beat.
They're in trouble if you ask me.
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Post by Gods on Nov 7, 2017 15:41:41 GMT
I do tend to agree, I think David Moyes is a good choice. It's a sobering thought if West Ham turn over Watford in their next game a week on Sunday, quite likely I would suggest, they will temporarily at least be level on points with us in the league table. You can't put a sliver of paper between the teams outside of the big 6 right now. Cheer up eeyore. I remember you thinking Felix Magath was a good appointment. He just needed a bit more time at Fulham. Magath once took on Gary Kasparov at chess you know and not even TP has done that!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 7, 2017 15:53:35 GMT
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 7, 2017 16:00:12 GMT
Like his style. Go get him Pete. Cheees.
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Post by Gods on Nov 7, 2017 16:04:06 GMT
I must admit I do remember the 6'6" centre back Dan Burn who played full back at the Brit when we beat Fulham 4-1 last game of the season, the poor fella got absolutely rinsed!!
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Post by Kilo on Nov 7, 2017 17:52:18 GMT
I'm not sure I could be happy with a manager with his embarrasing history
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 7, 2017 18:12:37 GMT
I can imagine what this board would be like if Moyes was appointed manager at Stoke.
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Post by MooG on Nov 7, 2017 18:14:44 GMT
I think Moyes is a pretty solid if uninspiring manager, and he might have got lucky here. West Ham are playing well below par and regression to the mean suggests they'll improve - under Moyes, Billic, or anybody who isn't a complete numpty really.
Still with the vast amounts of cash in the Premier League it's probably a good use of money to sack the manager as a wake up call to the players.
The only thing that I can't fathom is the six month contract. There are fire-fighting style managers, Alladyce and Pulis spring to mind, but Moyes isn't one of them. If you think he's the man for the job it should be for a couple of years not six months. If you need a get out at the end of season in case he fails ,then get somebody you don't think will fail.
Oh and Kilo, that's just scary. It's the picture you expect to see in a rural paper under the headline 'Local Man Convicted of Cattle Molestation".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 18:33:00 GMT
I would have expected Moyes to earn his way back into the prem by getting someone promoted, that's the normal road to redemption after perceived failure.
Bloody big gamble by WHU they might get solid Moyes from his Everton days or give up Moyes from his Sunderland days either way they have a hell of a job on just to convince the fans to give him a chance. Most wanted him sacked before he was hired lol.
Seems this country has a used car lot of managers that just go around failing club after club. Surely it's time they allowed some fresh blood into the league.
If Hughes goes and I'm still not convinced he won't this season then God knows who we might get. Neil Lennon? Martin O Neill?, Gary Monk? all done the rounds all are on the Sky list of managers they want you to have it seems.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 7, 2017 18:42:53 GMT
A good, solid appointment. Reminds me of when Hughes came here. Moyes did okay at Man Utd, no worse than LVG did in his first season. Agreed. It is a good appointment. For all the other teams in that mid/lower league group, that is. Let's see then. I'm sure many said the same about Hughes.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 7, 2017 18:43:46 GMT
Agreed. It is a good appointment. For all the other teams in that mid/lower league group, that is. Let's see then. I'm sure many said the same about Hughes. Hughes didn’t have three consecutive failures on his CV.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 7, 2017 18:43:59 GMT
Thank goodness he's not coming here anytime soon.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 7, 2017 19:02:39 GMT
Big risk this. Their supporters expect attractive football - which isn't Moyes' forte, If he grinds out results and sees them safe they'll probably put up with it - at least for this season, But have they got the players to play that way? If they play crappy football and continue to struggle it could turn pretty ugly.
It's a bit of a lifeline for Moyes but his success at Everton came from a long term commitment, His attempt at crisis management at Sunderland was an unmitigated disaster. Nothing against the bloke personally but in what looks like a tight season I sincerely hope it all goes horribly wrong and one of the relegation places gets tied up early.
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Post by haway on Nov 7, 2017 19:09:39 GMT
-Lacked passion -Lacked motivational skills -Lacked tactical knowledge -Often signed ex Man U or Everton players (some we are trying to shift off) -Often picked up injuries bringing his training and fitness regime into question (Allardyce's fitness regime was superb in comparison) -Had an in form Defoe in the side but still finished bottom -Said the players were more or less shite after the 2nd game, you don't say that publicly as Di Canio found out -His best form came when Anichebe was in the side as well as Watmore. Watmore's injury was unlucky but Anichebe was always going to get injured...
Other than that, it's a good appointment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 20:31:34 GMT
I'm glad I'm not a betting man because I would have put everything I had on Moyes never getting Premier League work again. Astonishing appointment Let us pray there is no change in his current managerial form 😬
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 7, 2017 23:43:01 GMT
The slime that is Moyes was touting his fabulousness to wet spam before Bilic was sacked. I really want to see them relegated and Moyes appointment helps in that respect.
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Post by Gods on Nov 7, 2017 23:54:37 GMT
Agreed. It is a good appointment. For all the other teams in that mid/lower league group, that is. Let's see then. I'm sure many said the same about Hughes. I think its an excellent appointment, he will do very well. As for 'Let's see', don't expect any contrition from the soothsayers on here when it goes well, they will be nowhere to be seen!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 8, 2017 0:03:02 GMT
I would have expected Moyes to earn his way back into the prem by getting someone promoted, that's the normal road to redemption after perceived failure. Bloody big gamble by WHU they might get solid Moyes from his Everton days or give up Moyes from his Sunderland days either way they have a hell of a job on just to convince the fans to give him a chance. Most wanted him sacked before he was hired lol. Seems this country has a used car lot of managers that just go around failing club after club. Surely it's time they allowed some fresh blood into the league. If Hughes goes and I'm still not convinced he won't this season then God knows who we might get. Neil Lennon? Martin O Neill?, Gary Monk? all done the rounds all are on the Sky list of managers they want you to have it seems. You are absolutely spot on rivsy. Take for example Paul Hurst manager of Shrewsbury...an up and coming young manager with loads of experience in lower leagues, turned around their fortunes and now sitting on top of div 1. Would he be able to manage a team of PL prima donas? No he wouldn’t so PL clubs revert to an old guard of boring managers who think they are the dogs bollox. Moyes is top of that list imo, and wet spam will struggle and he may not survive the season’s end tbh.
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Post by duckling on Nov 8, 2017 0:19:07 GMT
The only thing that I can't fathom is the six month contract. There are fire-fighting style managers, Alladyce and Pulis spring to mind, but Moyes isn't one of them. If you think he's the man for the job it should be for a couple of years not six months. If you need a get out at the end of season in case he fails ,then get somebody you don't think will fail. Totally agree. Moyes at Everton usually had poor starts and then massive improvement later in the season. In the 2005 season, Everton lost 7 of their first 8 games, scoring one goal, yet they finished 11th!! In 2009 they won 5 of their first 19 games and finished 8th. The next season they won 4 of their first 20 games and finished 7th.
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Post by hanibal7 on Nov 8, 2017 0:59:41 GMT
Yep. I'm not a passionate defender of Hughes, I don't know how I've given you that impression? I'm not suggesting you are, Rob. I just think whilst scrutinising Moyes recent record, it's worth reminding ourselves that even after 4 points out of the last six, by any measure we are still in one hell of a slump. So Hughes has won over 50% more games than Moyes, and Moyes couldnt beat your sao called shit teams, so why did some Stoke fans/ moaners want Moyes.?????
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Post by kustokie on Nov 8, 2017 2:55:35 GMT
www.balls.ie/football/talksport-west-ham-owners-376237Cobham, I agree that Moyes could be a decent solution but recent appointments suggest otherwise - I doubt he'll get much time, acceptance or appreciation from the support either. A bit like getting the right players Sullivan's always talked a good game but takes the cheap or desperate option although I agree there's a dearth of current choice and I doubt we'd pay what it took to lure a top manager anyway. Most WHU have no problem with Bilic going - he had to - but a replacement plucked straight from the management failure tree - well the bloke having the rant says it all. Good rant, right, yeah, but nobody cares. This is karma for basically ripping off the British tax paying public. Should've stayed at the Boleyn. Should've kept your soul. The club should change its name to some corporate sponsored shite. This doesn't even seem like WHU. I am trying to understand how the tax payers were ripped off by Wet Sham management, who were simply doing their jobs and negotiating the best deal for their clients (buyers). Surely any blame lies with the sellers who negotiated a bad deal for their clients (the tax payers). However, they probably had very little bargaining power if there was only one buyer and Wet Sham probably made a “take-it-or-leave-it” offer. You have to be able to walk away from a deal unless you have nowhere to go - in which you’re basically screwed.
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