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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 6:13:31 GMT
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Post by hanibal7 on Nov 5, 2017 6:13:31 GMT
Put people through 3 times first half most notably the Choupo chance. I was criticising him last week but thought he was much better today which seems to be not the opinion of most. Every player played ok, not one bad performance.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 8:27:11 GMT
Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 5, 2017 8:27:11 GMT
I actually didnt think he played that well yesterday but rewatching it on MOTD he did better than I thought.
He just doesnt seem to playing with any confidence though.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 8:29:32 GMT
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Post by albini13 on Nov 5, 2017 8:29:32 GMT
Needs a conditioning coach IMO to gain sharpness. Undoubtedly skilful but often unable to beat his fullback... Completely agree, plus he's 20 years old, decision making in the final third will improve with age.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 8:34:00 GMT
I thought he did well yesterday.
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 5, 2017 10:55:36 GMT
I thought he played pretty well too, also think he is one that needs a run of games. As tempting as it will be to drop him for Crouch vs Brighton I would stick with Ramadan and if Crouch is to play I would abandon the 3 at the back and lose Wimmer, going to a 442 (or similar)
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 5, 2017 11:02:57 GMT
I thought he played pretty well too, also think he is one that needs a run of games. As tempting as it will be to drop him for Crouch vs Brighton I would stick with Ramadan and if Crouch is to play I would abandon the 3 at the back and lose Wimmer, going to a 442 (or similar) I would like to see Wimmer dropped too, very average player!
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 11:18:10 GMT
Post by 19notbeaten72 on Nov 5, 2017 11:18:10 GMT
Hard to say whats happened with Sobhi he looked a real talent in his brief appearances last season. He now looks lost & lacking confidence.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 11:22:32 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 5, 2017 11:22:32 GMT
I actually didnt think he played that well yesterday but rewatching it on MOTD he did better than I thought. He just doesnt seem to playing with any confidence though. I disagree what he's playing with is far too much defensive responsibility.
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Post by alster on Nov 5, 2017 11:27:18 GMT
Hard to say whats happened with Sobhi he looked a real talent in his brief appearances last season. He now looks lost & lacking confidence. If you watched MOTD you would have seen that he was heavily involved in the highlights of our play thats not a player lacking in confidence as I say thats a player weighed down with defensive responsibility. As the poster further up highlights our players on the left are being suppressed by having to cover for Wimmer's shiteness.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 11:28:29 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 5, 2017 11:28:29 GMT
I thought he played pretty well too, also think he is one that needs a run of games. As tempting as it will be to drop him for Crouch vs Brighton I would stick with Ramadan and if Crouch is to play I would abandon the 3 at the back and lose Wimmer, going to a 442 (or similar) I would like to see Wimmer dropped too, very average player! Average is a very flattering description.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 11:40:07 GMT
Post by Old School Stokie on Nov 5, 2017 11:40:07 GMT
He had quite a few one on ones especially with his full back but just ran out of ideas with lack of confidence. Hughes, having put faith in him to start, must be disappointed in his attacking weakness. His tracking back - no tackles mind - was good for the team but that is not his main purpose. I though he should have been subbed by either Jessy or Berihino with 20 minutes to go - by that time he had his chance and blew it.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 11:46:00 GMT
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Post by fulagoals on Nov 5, 2017 11:46:00 GMT
I would like to see Wimmer dropped too, very average player! Average is a very flattering description. I also think he looks, well let’s stick with average. But having paid £18m for him and considering he is only 24 then I think we need to preserve with him and the system that the manager clearly prefers. As soon as Edwards is back fit and available I think he will be given a chance at RWB. I actually thought Pieters was one of our best release options down the left yesterday. Albeit there was never anyone in the box to cross to! Personally with Edwards given a go and Diouf up top with Shaq and Choupo behind I think we could have goals in us whilst having a somewhat solid foundation at the back. This also leaves great options on the bench with Jese, Crouch and Berahino.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Nov 5, 2017 11:50:40 GMT
I know this thread is about Sobhi, and his through ball to Choppa should have led to the opening goal, but what didn't help the forwards and the team was the number of times Sobhi & Shaquiri lost the ball in midfield and up from going down blind alleys and running into opposition. Big problem is Stoke cannot retain possession.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 13:19:52 GMT
Agreed. We give it away far too cheaply.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 13:53:21 GMT
Post by 19notbeaten72 on Nov 5, 2017 13:53:21 GMT
Hard to say whats happened with Sobhi he looked a real talent in his brief appearances last season. He now looks lost & lacking confidence. If you watched MOTD you would have seen that he was heavily involved in the highlights of our play thats not a player lacking in confidence as I say thats a player weighed down with defensive responsibility. As the poster further up highlights our players on the left are being suppressed by having to cover for Wimmer's shiteness. I did not have to watch MOTD i was at the game & he was missing for large parts perhaps he should look at Gray or Marhrez to see what effect a winger can have on a game when they can beat a man & play with confidence. Something like he showed last season when he got in the side.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 14:03:05 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 5, 2017 14:03:05 GMT
If you watched MOTD you would have seen that he was heavily involved in the highlights of our play thats not a player lacking in confidence as I say thats a player weighed down with defensive responsibility. As the poster further up highlights our players on the left are being suppressed by having to cover for Wimmer's shiteness. I did not have to watch MOTD i was at the game & he was missing for large parts perhaps he should look at Gray or Marhrez to see what effect a winger can have on a game when they can beat a man & play with confidence. Something like he showed last season when he got in the side. Yeah I was at the game too, doesn't mean you have nothing to learn from watching highlights or in full on tv. You're failing to account for how deep he was playing(as I said in another post you assume its to order) to protect the flaky left side of our defence. Bowen actually described him as one of the front three when he explained the team lineup on radio Stoke. There's no way he has played as part of a front three in either of the last two games just take a look at a heatmap if you don't believe me(Tony Pulis would be proud to get a forward playing left wingback). You're right if he had the freedom like Gray and Mahrez I'd expect him to be producing even more but its simply not the case.
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Post by TexasPotter on Nov 5, 2017 14:14:17 GMT
I thought he played well, he needs a proper wingback running past him though. He is devoid of confidence, but who wouldn’t be being bounced around getting half chances and being managed like he has. He’s young and has the talent, he just needs game time for me. Chupo is much the more refined wide man but has had the experience to get there at Shalke. Sobhi is only 20 and he’s going to be a great wide man for us.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 5, 2017 14:19:42 GMT
The fact he is only 20, the more he is played the faster he will learn.
Keeping him on the bench and he will go backwards.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 14:22:43 GMT
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Post by pistol on Nov 5, 2017 14:22:43 GMT
What exactly did he do last season that was so earth shattering?
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 15:13:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 15:13:14 GMT
I actually didnt think he played that well yesterday but rewatching it on MOTD he did better than I thought. He just doesnt seem to playing with any confidence though. I disagree what he's playing with is far too much defensive responsibility. In the 343 he should have none. That's the point of the 343. His attacking was poor and slow aside from one ball to Choupo.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 15:17:04 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Nov 5, 2017 15:17:04 GMT
He struggles when he has too much time on the ball, the longer he is on the ball the more muddled he gets in his thinking. Needs to be addressed somehow.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 15:22:35 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 5, 2017 15:22:35 GMT
I disagree what he's playing with is far too much defensive responsibility. In the 343 he should have none. That's the point of the 343. His attacking was poor and slow aside from one ball to Choupo. If you watched the game and thought we were playing 343 and Ramadan was one of the 3 why do you bother watching the game because you couldn't see the nose on the end of your face. What did you watch it on radio Stoke?
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 15:26:51 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 15:26:51 GMT
In the 343 he should have none. That's the point of the 343. His attacking was poor and slow aside from one ball to Choupo. If you watched the game and thought we were playing 343 and Ramadan was one of the 3 why do you bother watching the game because you couldn't see the nose on the end of your face. What did you watch it on radio Stoke? Erm. I was at the game. We played 343 with ramadan on the left side of it. When Shaq dropped deep with the ball Ramadan actually pushed up front next to Choupo.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 15:29:27 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 5, 2017 15:29:27 GMT
If you watched the game and thought we were playing 343 and Ramadan was one of the 3 why do you bother watching the game because you couldn't see the nose on the end of your face. What did you watch it on radio Stoke? Erm. I was at the game. We played 343 with ramadan on the left side of it. When Shaq dropped deep with the ball Ramadan actually pushed up front next to Choupo. Try a heatmap and tell me his average position was not wingback.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 5, 2017 15:32:19 GMT
Leave the kid ALONE!!
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 15:35:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 15:35:37 GMT
Erm. I was at the game. We played 343 with ramadan on the left side of it. When Shaq dropped deep with the ball Ramadan actually pushed up front next to Choupo. Try a heatmap and tell me his average position was not wingback. Pieters was the wingback. Sobhi just ahead of Pieters, small dot because he had no influence.
Hence, he played poorly.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 15:51:27 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 5, 2017 15:51:27 GMT
Sobhi just ahead of Pieters exactly as I told you, how can someone who is playing in a front 3 position be that deep. Tony fucking Pulis wouldn't even have the brass fucking neck to tell you he was playing as a forward. I think your understanding of what you're talking about is close to non existent. The attacking aspect of his play is being sacrificed because the manager has signed a centre back who's a fucking liability.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 16:03:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 16:03:30 GMT
Sobhi just ahead of Pieters exactly as I told you, how can someone who is playing in a front 3 position be that deep. Tony fucking Pulis wouldn't even have the brass fucking neck to tell you he was playing as a forward. I think your understanding of what you're talking about is close to non existent. The attacking aspect of his play is being sacrificed because the manager has signed a centre back who's a fucking liability. Well he is a forward, his average position is ahead of the midfield. Pieters is so far forward because all of our attacks came from our right, so he occupied the space on the left, that's why our team is so skewed with the left hand side of midfield far higher than the right. It's also why Zouma is so close to Diouf, because he's coming forward to get the ball. You can tell me my understanding is non existent all you like, but I've just shown you him playing ahead of the midfield, he's a forward. He did next to no defensive work either, unless it's the manager's fault that he's doing no attacking or defensive work. I'll assume that centre back is Wimmer, who was good yesterday and excellent vs Watford.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 16:18:21 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 5, 2017 16:18:21 GMT
Sobhi just ahead of Pieters exactly as I told you, how can someone who is playing in a front 3 position be that deep. Tony fucking Pulis wouldn't even have the brass fucking neck to tell you he was playing as a forward. I think your understanding of what you're talking about is close to non existent. The attacking aspect of his play is being sacrificed because the manager has signed a centre back who's a fucking liability. Well he is a forward, his average position is ahead of the midfield. Pieters is so far forward because all of our attacks came from our right, so he occupied the space on the left, that's why our team is so skewed with the left hand side of midfield far higher than the right. It's also why Zouma is so close to Diouf, because he's coming forward to get the ball. You can tell me my understanding is non existent all you like, but I've just shown you him playing ahead of the midfield, he's a forward. He did next to no defensive work either, unless it's the manager's fault that he's doing no attacking or defensive work. I'll assume that centre back is Wimmer, who was good yesterday and excellent vs Watford. On that note I'm out, you talk utter shite.
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Sobhi
Nov 5, 2017 16:33:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 16:33:36 GMT
Well he is a forward, his average position is ahead of the midfield. Pieters is so far forward because all of our attacks came from our right, so he occupied the space on the left, that's why our team is so skewed with the left hand side of midfield far higher than the right. It's also why Zouma is so close to Diouf, because he's coming forward to get the ball. You can tell me my understanding is non existent all you like, but I've just shown you him playing ahead of the midfield, he's a forward. He did next to no defensive work either, unless it's the manager's fault that he's doing no attacking or defensive work. I'll assume that centre back is Wimmer, who was good yesterday and excellent vs Watford. On that note I'm out, you talk utter shite. I do love a good discussion on the oatcake
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