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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2017 0:28:41 GMT
18 million for Wimmer or Imbula....... good and bad I like Wimmer but 18m is insane for him.
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Nov 21, 2017 0:41:00 GMT
Post by Roger Everyone on Nov 21, 2017 0:41:00 GMT
Yes I agree, but at least we can play him ;-)
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Post by Roger Everyone on Nov 21, 2017 0:42:40 GMT
18 million for Wimmer or Imbula....... good and bad I like Wimmer but 18m is insane for him. He is improving, didn't feel like he let us down tonight.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2017 0:44:49 GMT
I like Wimmer but 18m is insane for him. He is improving, didn't feel like he let us down tonight. He's a good defender. People need to be patient with him but the price tag rightly means they're not.
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Nov 21, 2017 1:20:33 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 21, 2017 1:20:33 GMT
Thought he was in two minds and left his position for their first goal, they literally shot from where he was standing (through Grants legs mind you "sigh") after he and Pieters stupidly went for the same man. Not worth £18 mil, more like £2-3 mil. Rather have BMI or Geoff in the side to be honest. That was down to Ramadan, or was it Pieters? Wimmer covered him and all he had to do was slot in, instead he runs after the ball like a school kid and leaves a massive gap, Wimmer did nothing wrong.
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Post by TexasPotter on Nov 21, 2017 5:17:40 GMT
Thought he was in two minds and left his position for their first goal, they literally shot from where he was standing (through Grants legs mind you "sigh") after he and Pieters stupidly went for the same man. Not worth £18 mil, more like £2-3 mil. Rather have BMI or Geoff in the side to be honest. That was down to Ramadan, or was it Pieters? Wimmer covered him and all he had to do was slot in, instead he runs after the ball like a school kid and leaves a massive gap, Wimmer did nothing wrong. Pieters was tracking back to Wimmers spot and misses a block, Ramadan looked a fool but Wimmer left the near post, he did a lot wrong there... He didn’t start the stupid action but he should of killed it. If he stays put, propper has no angle. That still doesn’t excuse Lee Grants Joe Hart impression.
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Nov 21, 2017 7:36:48 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Nov 21, 2017 7:36:48 GMT
There seem to be a lot of fans on here who prefer BMI based on his excellent performances last season, but the point is he has not impressed at all this season when he has played.
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Nov 21, 2017 7:39:51 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Nov 21, 2017 7:39:51 GMT
There seem to be a lot of fans on here who prefer BMI based on his excellent performances last season, but the point is he has not impressed at all this season when he has played. Is Wimmer worth £18m ?
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Nov 21, 2017 8:05:32 GMT
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Post by Billy the kid on Nov 21, 2017 8:05:32 GMT
I thought he had a solid game last night, no one covered their self In glory for the Brighton second, however they should have never got to Wimmer in the first place.
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Nov 21, 2017 8:37:40 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Nov 21, 2017 8:37:40 GMT
There seem to be a lot of fans on here who prefer BMI based on his excellent performances last season, but the point is he has not impressed at all this season when he has played. Is Wimmer worth £18m ? Far too early to tell. He was carrying a bit of a niggle earlier in the season, seems to be improving now, why can't you just wait and see? From what I've heard Peter Coates say about him he seems happy enough with him and it's his money, not yours.
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Nov 21, 2017 9:16:36 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 21, 2017 9:16:36 GMT
There seem to be a lot of fans on here who prefer BMI based on his excellent performances last season, but the point is he has not impressed at all this season when he has played. Is Wimmer worth £18m ? Is arnie worth 24 million transfer fees in this country have lost all relevance
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Nov 21, 2017 10:08:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 10:08:16 GMT
He's finding his feet, a couple of niggly injuries have maybe hampered some of his early performances, but definitely looking a lot better. Even threw in a mazy dribble down the left wing last night for good measure....
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Nov 21, 2017 10:18:17 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 21, 2017 10:18:17 GMT
There seem to be a lot of fans on here who prefer BMI based on his excellent performances last season, but the point is he has not impressed at all this season when he has played. When has Bruno played this season? Serious question. I saw him away at Bristol City but the less said about that the better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 10:18:19 GMT
We can't afford to throw this sort of money away. Why is Berahino not even getting a start? Serious questions need asking. Ramadan hasn't got a clue in and around the box. So why play him? Pieters. No idea how to cross a ball. Why is there no one better? Defence a shambles again. What do they do in training? Fletcher. Another over the hill signing. Why not try and get someone younger in? As you can see by my posts, I'm not at all happy with this lot. Must do better!
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Nov 21, 2017 10:21:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 10:21:33 GMT
There seem to be a lot of fans on here who prefer BMI based on his excellent performances last season, but the point is he has not impressed at all this season when he has played. When has Bruno played this season? Serious question. I saw him away at Bristol City but the less said about that the better. He played at Bury, I honestly thought Brian Small has made a comeback for us...........
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Nov 21, 2017 10:24:34 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 21, 2017 10:24:34 GMT
When has Bruno played this season? Serious question. I saw him away at Bristol City but the less said about that the better. He played at Bury, I honestly thought Brian Small has made a comeback for us........... First team games. He has been hampered by injury though. Buying a top notch defensive midfielder instead of Wimmer should have been the way to go with Cameron as fourth option at centre back in times of crisis. We're stuffed at the moment as Hughes can't get away from three at the back.
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Nov 21, 2017 10:26:54 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 21, 2017 10:26:54 GMT
He is getting better BUT he still doesnt put his body on the line enough for me. He prefers to leave the dirty work for Shawcross and Zouma.
For the 2nd goal the ball ricocheted off him which is not his fault, but he should have at least made a last ditch slide tackle to stop the 2nd shot coming in. He could have been too far away and not connected but I guarantee the likes to Erik & Ryan would have at least attempted a block.
Defending is not just about slide tackles and diving it of course, but Wimmer doesnt do enough for me.
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Nov 21, 2017 10:27:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 10:27:43 GMT
He played at Bury, I honestly thought Brian Small has made a comeback for us........... First team games. He has been hampered by injury though. Buying a top notch defensive midfielder instead of Wimmer should have been the way to go with Cameron as fourth option at centre back in times of crisis. We're stuffed at the moment as Hughes can't get away from three at the back. I know I was being facetious, that's been the issue with a few players this season niggly injuries that have stopped them from getting into their stride. Hopefully that will change now.....
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 21, 2017 10:31:21 GMT
Yes looking at the 2nd goal again. sportyhl.com/video-brighton-vs-stoke-highlights/If he throws himself to the ground there is no goal. Instead he just sticks out a boot and the ball is through him. If that is Shawcross I guarantee he will put a last ditch slide tackle in.
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Nov 21, 2017 10:50:43 GMT
Post by silverdollar on Nov 21, 2017 10:50:43 GMT
the whole back 3 were outstanding. Ryan back to his best. He always looks better against a bruiser than some willo the whisp type striker. You are deluded! You believe the back three were good? In 99 games out of a hundred Shawcross would have conceded a penalty because he was too slow, Zouma made errors that proved costly and Wimmer went missing on a few occasions. It was one of the worst performances I have seen in the Premiership for some time. Brighton's attacking play was clueless and we still managed to concede two goals. It was nice to gain a point after we enjoyed the run of the ball. Stoke cannot afford to think they are good! If we are complacent it would be easy for us to slip into the relegation zone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 10:52:20 GMT
the whole back 3 were outstanding. Ryan back to his best. He always looks better against a bruiser than some willo the whisp type striker. You are deluded! You believe the back three were good? In 99 games out of a hundred Shawcross would have conceded a penalty because he was too slow, Zouma made errors that proved costly and Wimmer went missing on a few occasions. It was one of the worst performances I have seen in the Premiership for some time. Brighton's attacking play was clueless and we still managed to concede two goals. It was nice to gain a point after we enjoyed the run of the ball. Stoke cannot afford to think they are good! If we are complacent it would be easy for us to slip into the relegation zone. Load of old bollocks....
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Nov 21, 2017 11:00:28 GMT
Post by silverdollar on Nov 21, 2017 11:00:28 GMT
You are deluded! You believe the back three were good? In 99 games out of a hundred Shawcross would have conceded a penalty because he was too slow, Zouma made errors that proved costly and Wimmer went missing on a few occasions. It was one of the worst performances I have seen in the Premiership for some time. Brighton's attacking play was clueless and we still managed to concede two goals. It was nice to gain a point after we enjoyed the run of the ball. Stoke cannot afford to think they are good! If we are complacent it would be easy for us to slip into the relegation zone. Load of old bollocks.... For one moment I thought I was watching a Tony Pulis team playing. Our first goal came from either a brilliant pass or some might say a lucky run of the ball. Our second came from a rebound off a player that ran kindly for us. Did we really create much in the game? Play was disjointed and forward movement hardly happened! We are slow and only look comfortable when aimlessly passing square or back. Look at Brighton's first goal. Was it five missed tackles? It was a Championship standard game at best!
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 21, 2017 11:03:25 GMT
We can't afford to throw this sort of money away. Why is Berahino not even getting a start? Serious questions need asking. Ramadan hasn't got a clue in and around the box. So why play him? Pieters. No idea how to cross a ball. Why is there no one better? Defence a shambles again. What do they do in training? Fletcher. Another over the hill signing. Why not try and get someone younger in? As you can see by my posts, I'm not at all happy with this lot. Must do better! Who is this "we"? I'm quite sure the club would have spent more on players last summer if they had been available or preferred Stoke rather than another club. The facts are though they couldn't get any more players. The club has plenty of resource to go and get the players the manager wants, and have repeated shelled out. The value of a player is not just determined by how good he is, but also age and whether he has "transferable value" in the immediate future. The capital cost of a player is written off over the period of his contract. Wimmer's career stalled for 2 years at Spurs and he has already played more league games at Stoke than the whole of last season for Spurs. I think Stoke have done well to prize him away from Spurs who, but for their financial pressures, I'm sure would have preferred to keep him in reserve. It will take him time to get back to his best form, but I'm confident in years to come he will be a sound defender for us when Zouma has returned to Chelsea and Ryan retired. Along with Indi, he is a sound investment for the long term and in no way have Stoke thrown away their money. £18m is an eye-watering amount, but that is the market place, particularly if you want to prize away an international in the middle of his career from a CL club, who need lots of players when competing in 4 competitions.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 21, 2017 11:32:40 GMT
We can't afford to throw this sort of money away. Why is Berahino not even getting a start? Serious questions need asking. Ramadan hasn't got a clue in and around the box. So why play him? Pieters. No idea how to cross a ball. Why is there no one better? Defence a shambles again. What do they do in training? Fletcher. Another over the hill signing. Why not try and get someone younger in? As you can see by my posts, I'm not at all happy with this lot. Must do better! Why is Berahino not even getting a start? Because he has had his chance and will have to wait for his next chance. Serious questions need asking. You're asking I'm answering. Ramadan hasn't got a clue in and around the box. So why play him? He's 20 and still learning. Hughes is giving him his second chance, be patient. Pieters. No idea how to cross a ball. Why is there no one better? Hughes is having to use a LFB as a LWB because he has no one better. Who do you think Stoke should buy? They tried to get Fabian Delph and failed, much to the satisfaction of a lot of ignorant posters on this MB. Defence a shambles again. The media keep harping on about the number of goals Stoke concede (and this MB). Apart from Chelsea, when we had CBs injured, and a rampant ManC, our defending has been better this season - fact. What do they do in training? I'm not privy to this, but it is well known that Hughes does not leave effort on the practice pitch and prefers to save it for matches and try and play through the whole season. You may agree or disagree with this approach. They have clearly improved at defending set pieces and taking corners! Fletcher. Another over the hill signing. Why not try and get someone younger in? It's matter of opinion, but I think he is very talented and some years to go. Meanwhile the search goes on. One thing you cannot accuse Hughes of failing to do is sign mid-fielders. We were very fortunate to get Allen from Liverpool. Maybe you have an idea on who Stoke should try and persuade to come? TP was livid at losing his captain and it may well have been the biggest factor to him losing his job. I'm not at all happy with this lot. Pity. I am very happy although never satisfied. I agree with PC that this is the strongest squad in the history of the club. Although there is some way to go to turn them into the strongest team. A couple of proper good WBs would make a world of difference IMO but getting them is nigh impossible. Must do better! Agreed!
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Post by werrington on Nov 21, 2017 11:34:37 GMT
Anybody who knocked Wimmer last night had their minds made up prior to the match even kicking off
He played very well
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 21, 2017 11:50:14 GMT
For one moment I thought I was watching a Tony Pulis team playing. Our first goal came from either a brilliant pass or some might say a lucky run of the ball. Our second came from a rebound off a player that ran kindly for us. Did we really create much in the game? Play was disjointed and forward movement hardly happened! We are slow and only look comfortable when aimlessly passing square or back. Look at Brighton's first goal. Was it five missed tackles? It was a Championship standard game at best! Hughes has clearly adopted a policy of yielding possession and letting the other side play with the ball in their own half. The plan being wait for the opposition to lose the ball and then hit them on the break. Plus scoring from Shaqiri corners is a key element. Choupo brilliantly controlled an excellent pass with his first touch and then calmly poked the ball through the defenders legs into the corner like a veteran striker. No luck in it. Where it is different to TP is Hughes is still trying to play a "high line" with the defence to squeeze the opposition, because our mid-fielders are not good defenders. This works against some teams but leaves us vulnerable to long balls hit over the top (as at Newcastle) or into the corners, like last night. In terms of creating we had 6 shots on target last night. Stoke's problem isn't scoring, we have scored more than Burnley, Brighton, and Huddersfield, who are all in the top half of the table. Our problem is defending, which is fixable. Unfortunately we have been hampered by injuries to defenders, and we don't have a good RB, or effective WBs. Butland would have saved at least 1 of last nights goals IMO. Hopefully Hughes can strengthen in January in the positions needed but it is extremely hard to get the right players.
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Post by pez75 on Nov 21, 2017 11:55:25 GMT
He is getting better BUT he still doesnt put his body on the line enough for me. He prefers to leave the dirty work for Shawcross and Zouma. For the 2nd goal the ball ricocheted off him which is not his fault, but he should have at least made a last ditch slide tackle to stop the 2nd shot coming in. He could have been too far away and not connected but I guarantee the likes to Erik & Ryan would have at least attempted a block. Defending is not just about slide tackles and diving it of course, but Wimmer doesnt do enough for me. Spot on. Zouma's poor header may have started the clusterfuck, but Wimmers desire to win that ball was non-existent.
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Nov 21, 2017 23:36:32 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 21, 2017 23:36:32 GMT
That was down to Ramadan, or was it Pieters? Wimmer covered him and all he had to do was slot in, instead he runs after the ball like a school kid and leaves a massive gap, Wimmer did nothing wrong. Pieters was tracking back to Wimmers spot and misses a block, Ramadan looked a fool but Wimmer left the near post, he did a lot wrong there... He didn’t start the stupid action but he should of killed it. If he stays put, propper has no angle. That still doesn’t excuse Lee Grants Joe Hart impression. I may need to see it again but Wimmer looked to cover someone (im unsure who) who had pushed out and got skinned, then said player ran after the ball when all they needed to do was drop back to where Wimmer was, Wimmer had it covered, if they drop back they're then in Wimmers position and vis versa and the goal wouldn't have happened, this happens all the time, Fletcher covered Zouma when he went for a run up the pitch for example, this situation isn't any different in my eyes.
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Nov 21, 2017 23:44:57 GMT
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Post by southstanddan on Nov 21, 2017 23:44:57 GMT
We can't afford to throw this sort of money away. Why is Berahino not even getting a start? Serious questions need asking. Ramadan hasn't got a clue in and around the box. So why play him? Pieters. No idea how to cross a ball. Why is there no one better? Defence a shambles again. What do they do in training? Fletcher. Another over the hill signing. Why not try and get someone younger in? As you can see by my posts, I'm not at all happy with this lot. Must do better! The same Ramadan that most slaughter Hughes for not starting? The same Fletcher that was probably our best signing this summer that all the players look to give the ball to? You can’t have everything you want youth! Your starting XI is another mans relegation team
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Nov 21, 2017 23:50:20 GMT
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 21, 2017 23:50:20 GMT
Wimmer is a tough nut. That Murray minter must have come keen. Felt nowt.
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