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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 30, 2017 8:59:36 GMT
Are you German by any chance? No I'm not German but Dresden was an act of civilian mass murder. Nothing less. The trouble is nothing has been learnt from past events You turn on the news and all you see is the flattened cities of Syria and Iraq But returning to the Hitler without him it is doubtful that one of the most abhorrent indiscriminate bombings in the history of the world By the good old cuddly Americans People in Japan have been dying or living with the effects many years after America the only country in the world to truly use a weapon of mass destruction
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Post by Northy on Oct 30, 2017 9:35:43 GMT
China might not be turning parts of the ocean into military bases, they could be Japanese
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 11:56:58 GMT
We would not have had jets or been to the moon either. Why not, Frank Whittle was working on the design in 1927 and patented it in 1930, his first jet plane flew in 1941? The German Heinkel He 178 first flew in 1939 so I suppose it's what you call a jet , engine or complete aircraft. I suspect a level of espionage was about in both camps. Remember Da Vinci designed a helicopter in 1493 but we do not credit the first helicopter to him.
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Post by Northy on Oct 30, 2017 12:22:35 GMT
Why not, Frank Whittle was working on the design in 1927 and patented it in 1930, his first jet plane flew in 1941? The German Heinkel He 178 first flew in 1939 so I suppose it's what you call a jet , engine or complete aircraft. I suspect a level of espionage was about in both camps. Remember Da Vinci designed a helicopter in 1493 but we do not credit the first helicopter to him. No I don't remeber it, I'm not that old Da Vinci was a great thinker far ahead of his time, but was his air machine just a follow on from Archimedes screw priniciple, that's always been an argument for historians?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 12:32:20 GMT
The German Heinkel He 178 first flew in 1939 so I suppose it's what you call a jet , engine or complete aircraft. I suspect a level of espionage was about in both camps. Remember Da Vinci designed a helicopter in 1493 but we do not credit the first helicopter to him. No I don't remeber it, I'm not that old Da Vinci was a great thinker far ahead of his time, but was his air machine just a follow on from Archimedes screw priniciple, that's always been an argument for historians? A farmer invented a three legged chicken so him, his wife and son could all have a leg. Trouble is they haven't caught one yet
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 30, 2017 12:40:05 GMT
We may not have gone to the Moon because perhaps the Cold War wouldn't have existed. Rocket designers such as Korolev, Goddard and Von Braun were active before the war. Theories on orbital mechanics that were used during the space race in the 1960s had been around since the 19th Century. Yuri Kondratyuk proposed the lunar orbit rendezvous as the best way to send a man to the moon, 50 years before NASA did precisely that. I think a lack of a political catalyst would have been the only reason the Americans wouldn't have got to the Moon.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 30, 2017 13:12:15 GMT
We may not have gone to the Moon because perhaps the Cold War wouldn't have existed. Rocket designers such as Korolev, Goddard and Von Braun were active before the war. Theories on orbital mechanics that were used during the space race in the 1960s had been around since the 19th Century. Yuri Kondratyuk proposed the lunar orbit rendezvous as the best way to send a man to the moon, 50 years before NASA did precisely that. I think a lack of a political catalyst would have been the only reason the Americans wouldn't have got to the Moon. Not convinced they have the Russians were first to everything in space ecept the moon landings I just find it strange that the Russians never got there
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Post by Northy on Oct 30, 2017 13:29:37 GMT
We may not have gone to the Moon because perhaps the Cold War wouldn't have existed. Rocket designers such as Korolev, Goddard and Von Braun were active before the war. Theories on orbital mechanics that were used during the space race in the 1960s had been around since the 19th Century. Yuri Kondratyuk proposed the lunar orbit rendezvous as the best way to send a man to the moon, 50 years before NASA did precisely that. I think a lack of a political catalyst would have been the only reason the Americans wouldn't have got to the Moon. Not convinced they have the Russians were first to everything in space ecept the moon landings I just find it strange that the Russians never got there The americans managed to capture and use the German missile team and a lot of V2 rockets
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 30, 2017 13:32:20 GMT
We may not have gone to the Moon because perhaps the Cold War wouldn't have existed. Rocket designers such as Korolev, Goddard and Von Braun were active before the war. Theories on orbital mechanics that were used during the space race in the 1960s had been around since the 19th Century. Yuri Kondratyuk proposed the lunar orbit rendezvous as the best way to send a man to the moon, 50 years before NASA did precisely that. I think a lack of a political catalyst would have been the only reason the Americans wouldn't have got to the Moon. Not convinced they have the Russians were first to everything in space ecept the moon landings I just find it strange that the Russians never got there The Russians had sent an unmanned probe to the moon as early as 1959. The biggest problem for manned landing, was the notoriously unreliable N1 rocket that kept exploding. The Saturn Five of NASA was a far superior launch platform by comparison. The death of the chief designer Sergei Korolev led to a lack of technical development, and the project withered on the vine due to financial constraints, infighting and political opposition. The Russian lunar orbiter and lunar lander were also poorly developed too.
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