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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 19:41:32 GMT
City centres in England and Europe would look very different because they would still retain their original architecture. Winston Churchill may have been a side note in the history books (as perhaps a competent Foreign Secretary) rather than one of the most famous politicians in world history and the embodiment of British values and spirit. Yeah he might have only been remembered for the speech he made in 1937. "I do not admit for instance that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place" |
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 27, 2017 19:43:26 GMT
I'm not having that Aunty. Not as many German cities were bombed like ours. As for France & Italy, well France didn't get bombed & Italy was too far away. Exeter, Cov, Briz, Plymouth... lots of medieval architecture was lost, the same architecture that we flock to Germany, France & Italy to see... German cities were flattened. What, Dresden. So was East London |
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Post by salopstick on Oct 27, 2017 20:06:19 GMT
Everything was of it time.
IThe most technologically advancement century it seems like it needed those wars to shape the future in a way it seems it is better to have it early to stop it happening worse later on.
For all it’s wrongs the atom bombs in Japan have ensured it did not happen since.
There will always be wars but 39-45 is the war to end all wars so to speak the next (if) world war would see the end of the planet
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Post by salopstick on Oct 27, 2017 20:07:29 GMT
I wonder why Berlin was never atomed
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Post by auntiegeorge on Oct 27, 2017 20:17:13 GMT
North Korea and the Kim dynasty would not exist.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 27, 2017 20:49:25 GMT
I wonder why Berlin was never atomed It wasn't an Island |
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Post by Boothen on Oct 27, 2017 21:11:37 GMT
I'm not having that Aunty. Not as many German cities were bombed like ours. As for France & Italy, well France didn't get bombed & Italy was too far away. Exeter, Cov, Briz, Plymouth... lots of medieval architecture was lost, the same architecture that we flock to Germany, France & Italy to see... German cities were flattened. They started it, and like Arthur Harris said "They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind". |
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Post by yeokel on Oct 27, 2017 21:13:42 GMT
Everything was of it time. IThe most technologically advancement century it seems like it needed those wars to shape the future in a way it seems it is better to have it early to stop it happening worse later on. For all it’s wrongs the atom bombs in Japan have ensured it did not happen since. There will always be wars but 39-45 is the war to end all wars so to speak the next (if) world war would see the end of the planet It might see the end of life, be it animal life or all life, but I doubt it would see the end of the planet. There would likely still be a bit of rock circling around waiting for the Sun to Supernova and engulf it. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 27, 2017 21:16:47 GMT
German cities were flattened. What, Dresden. So was East London They both were. Germany was bombed far more than we were. Day and night by US & British bombers. Dresden was bombed for no military reason whatsoever. |
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 27, 2017 21:52:44 GMT
What, Dresden. So was East London They both were. Germany was bombed far more than we were. Day and night by US & British bombers. Dresden was bombed for no military reason whatsoever. Spite |
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Post by georgieboy52 on Oct 27, 2017 22:27:41 GMT
What, Dresden. So was East London They both were. Germany was bombed far more than we were. Day and night by US & British bombers. Dresden was bombed for no military reason whatsoever. Bomber Harris should have been tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 1:22:31 GMT
I guess there would have been no NHS... There would be more Jews. No shit Sherlock. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 1:28:54 GMT
They both were. Germany was bombed far more than we were. Day and night by US & British bombers. Dresden was bombed for no military reason whatsoever. Bomber Harris should have been tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Are you German by any chance? |
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Post by Boothen on Oct 28, 2017 3:55:09 GMT
Bomber Harris should have been tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Hmmm, I wonder who could be behind this post? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 28, 2017 8:23:00 GMT
How did 6000 US civilians lose their lives  Actually, the total number of US civilian deaths during WWII was more than double that. For a start, 9,521 US merchant seamen perished at sea, 2,419 US internees died during their imprisonment and 68 died at Pearl Harbour. The Americans were lucky it's so low If they had broken a habit of a lifetime and turned up for a war on time it would probably have stretched in to a million or more |
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Post by raythesailor on Oct 28, 2017 8:31:09 GMT
Stanley Mathews would have got more caps.
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Post by georgieboy52 on Oct 28, 2017 9:59:58 GMT
Bomber Harris should have been tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Are you German by any chance? No I'm not German but Dresden was an act of civilian mass murder. Nothing less. |
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Post by georgieboy52 on Oct 28, 2017 10:02:17 GMT
Bomber Harris should have been tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Hmmm, I wonder who could be behind this post? Born and bred in Shelton. My dad served his Country in WW2 and my grandad died in the Somme, aged 24. |
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 28, 2017 10:32:28 GMT
Talkin about bombing, Next weeks In Our Time, hosted by Melvin Bragg , is on Picasso's Guernica. So without Hitler, that wouldn't exist!
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Post by desman2 on Oct 28, 2017 10:59:43 GMT
We would not have had jets or been to the moon either. Jaguar cars would still be called SS Cars Ltd Frank Whittle is credited with inventing the turbo jet engine. |
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Post by desman2 on Oct 28, 2017 11:03:13 GMT
Are you German by any chance? No I'm not German but Dresden was an act of civilian mass murder. Nothing less. He could have stood in the dock with Tony Blair |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 28, 2017 11:14:11 GMT
I guess there would have been no NHS... There's no NHS in Germany now. |
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 28, 2017 11:21:31 GMT
North Korea and the Kim dynasty would not exist. I think Kim Il Sung would still have been quite a prominent figure in a korean military. But without support from the Soviets (assuming then the Germans defeated them) we would have a unified Korea still. Thats not to say there still wouldn't have been unrest mind. Had they have won the war, and defeated the Soviets, there would have been both the Chinas to deal with? Communist and Nationalist. Japan would likely have taken control of a lot of South America. A possible USA with a buffer and a Pacific States of America controlled by Japan. The world would look very different. I love history but im by no means an expert so if anyone can add or correct me on stuff I've mentioned that would be great. |
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Post by basingstokie on Oct 28, 2017 12:54:16 GMT
No atomic bombs
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 18:55:20 GMT
We would not have had jets or been to the moon either. Jaguar cars would still be called SS Cars Ltd Frank Whittle is credited with inventing the turbo jet engine. Yeh I know, bit fishy though isn't it. A bloke in a garage vs the might of German engineering. My old man worked on Gloster Meteors when he was in the RAF and Vampires about 1950-60 said they had to tip the Vampires backwards to get them to start. He was stationed at RAF Mamby in Lincolnshire. Then split to Strubby which handled jets While the Mamby side did piston engines I think. I heard we never flew combat missions in WW2 with meteors because we were afraid the Americans would fire at them and then demand the technology to build one. |
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Post by jonah77 on Oct 28, 2017 22:02:23 GMT
What, Dresden. So was East London They both were. Germany was bombed far more than we were. Day and night by US & British bombers. Dresden was bombed for no military reason whatsoever. London was also bombed for no military reason. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 29, 2017 23:31:43 GMT
Went to a very interesting exhibition under a cathedral in Hamburg, all about WW2, Hamburg was also pretty much flattened, large swathes of it anyway.
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Post by lordb on Oct 30, 2017 7:56:36 GMT
They both were. Germany was bombed far more than we were. Day and night by US & British bombers. Dresden was bombed for no military reason whatsoever. London was also bombed for no military reason. No,London was bombed because of the docks. Does that justify the thousands of civilians killed,of course not but it was a military target. Locally Stoke wasn't targeted (I know some bombs hit here) whereas Radway Green was bombed to shit. |
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Post by Northy on Oct 30, 2017 8:53:58 GMT
We would not have had jets or been to the moon either. Why not, Frank Whittle was working on the design in 1927 and patented it in 1930, his first jet plane flew in 1941? |
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Post by Northy on Oct 30, 2017 8:56:50 GMT
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