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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2017 11:46:38 GMT
It was a poor performance (1st half) and a bad result on Saturday, but I think the board is right not to panic. We're still a bit patched up: Ryan can't be fully fit, Glen Johnson hasn't played at all and we are obviously going to miss Shaqiri. We could have rescued a point on Saturday which would have completely changed the mood. Let's se how we go on after the next few games. If we get Ryan and BMI fully fit, get Tom Edwards in at RB, give Mame a run up front, things will look a lot different, and hopefully a bit of confidence and form will come back. We don't have the problems that West ham and Everton have - both of those are really in a mess. Why are we in a position though, whereby one injury-prone man alone is essentially carrying our entire creative burden? Why does our defensive balance hinge on getting fit an 18 year old with one senior appearance to his name? I don't think rescuing a point to Bournemouth at home would have changed the mood really - that first half was appalling and following on from Man City really, really not good enough. At some point, surely, the patience has to run out?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2017 11:48:03 GMT
Panic involves action ,(and cost which is our overidding principal ) our definition of well run has nothing to do with what goes on , on the pitch , the chief executive is monitoring the situation if after 37 games we are in the bottom three we will make a decisive move for a manager who was highly rated early in his career but lost his way and has something to prove . They may not panic but for the record they are utterly wrong , worst squad in ten years , team that does as it pleases , manager who now can't see wood for trees, but as someone said on here over the weekend , it is no longer A Hughes issue. It's the board that are sending us down now which further adds to the CEO crime sheet , his £12m banked in the summer racking up true cost week after week on the pitch and coming with an interest cost of £100m per annum come May . For his part Hughes we aren't in the bottom three come May we've been here before is as deluded as the CEO , Jesse , Chopper , Ramadan , berahino , haven't Wimmer hasnt ,Zouma hasn't , Tymon hasn't , the players you need in here walters , Bardsley , Whelan all sold as the two of them presided over a summer which I said at the time will be this eras equivalent of the roof blowing off the butler street stand but totally self inflicted . Why do you keep wittering on and on about the "CEO"? Scholes may have his faults and he probably does bear some of the responsibility for a questionable recruitment policy, but he doesn't own the club and ultimately isn't entirely to blame. He certainly isn't going to be the one to make the decision to remove Mark Hughes if and when the time comes. For the likes of you though, he is an easy (and the only) target. You haven't got the courage to point the finger at those ultimately responsible. Scholes is on the board, so should have a say??
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 23, 2017 11:52:50 GMT
It was a poor performance (1st half) and a bad result on Saturday, but I think the board is right not to panic. We're still a bit patched up: Ryan can't be fully fit, Glen Johnson hasn't played at all and we are obviously going to miss Shaqiri. We could have rescued a point on Saturday which would have completely changed the mood. Let's se how we go on after the next few games. If we get Ryan and BMI fully fit, get Tom Edwards in at RB, give Mame a run up front, things will look a lot different, and hopefully a bit of confidence and form will come back. We don't have the problems that West ham and Everton have - both of those are really in a mess. Why are we in a position though, whereby one injury-prone man alone is essentially carrying our entire creative burden? Why does our defensive balance hinge on getting fit an 18 year old with one senior appearance to his name? I don't think rescuing a point to Bournemouth at home would have changed the mood really - that first half was appalling and following on from Man City really, really not good enough. At some point, surely, the patience has to run out? Which rather reflects the shit buys Hughes has made recently.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 23, 2017 11:55:51 GMT
It was a poor performance (1st half) and a bad result on Saturday, but I think the board is right not to panic. We're still a bit patched up: Ryan can't be fully fit, Glen Johnson hasn't played at all and we are obviously going to miss Shaqiri. We could have rescued a point on Saturday which would have completely changed the mood. Let's se how we go on after the next few games. If we get Ryan and BMI fully fit, get Tom Edwards in at RB, give Mame a run up front, things will look a lot different, and hopefully a bit of confidence and form will come back. We don't have the problems that West ham and Everton have - both of those are really in a mess. Everton and West Ham both have a far greater choice of tools to turn things around than we do, take the blinkers off. They do. That Austrian fella's a right tool. Forget his name.
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Post by Northy on Oct 23, 2017 11:59:14 GMT
Who on here would give him more than the next game? Lose to Watford is a given. If he can pick up points there then there's a glimmer of light. Lose the next with Leicester where we both are then I don't see any other solutions Poo team selection, poor transfer dealings over last two seasons Only hope that PC is scheming to make things more interesting by introducing a near crowd panic by relegation looming before setting forth a recovery under a new leader! It's about as realistic a conspiracy theory as there being a world war two bomber on the moon! 😕 we won away at Watford last season, quite easily, so why is it a given that we lose?
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 23, 2017 11:59:22 GMT
Who on here would give him more than the next game? I would.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 23, 2017 12:07:05 GMT
Lose to Watford is a given. If he can pick up points there then there's a glimmer of light. Lose the next with Leicester where we both are then I don't see any other solutions Poo team selection, poor transfer dealings over last two seasons Only hope that PC is scheming to make things more interesting by introducing a near crowd panic by relegation looming before setting forth a recovery under a new leader! It's about as realistic a conspiracy theory as there being a world war two bomber on the moon! 😕 we won away at Watford last season, quite easily, so why is it a given that we lose? Because they're miles better than they were last season and we're fucking shit.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 23, 2017 12:09:04 GMT
Who on here would give him more than the next game? I would However make it very clear that by a set date? E.g. the end of November? results have to improve and there is a minimum points total to reach in this time
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 12:09:40 GMT
we won away at Watford last season, quite easily, so why is it a given that we lose? Because they're miles better than they were last season and we're fucking shit. In a nutshell. They look like they have an idea of what they're doing. Right now, we don't.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Oct 23, 2017 12:12:49 GMT
I think they will probably give him until Christmas , he has to improve results before then, I hope he does but I was disappointed with his comments on Radio Stoke that he was not concerned about recent results, well if he's not concerned after one win in eight, when does he get concerned?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 12:13:31 GMT
Lose to Watford is a given. If he can pick up points there then there's a glimmer of light. Lose the next with Leicester where we both are then I don't see any other solutions Poo team selection, poor transfer dealings over last two seasons Only hope that PC is scheming to make things more interesting by introducing a near crowd panic by relegation looming before setting forth a recovery under a new leader! It's about as realistic a conspiracy theory as there being a world war two bomber on the moon! 😕 we won away at Watford last season, quite easily, so why is it a given that we lose? Because they're playing dynamic, fluid, rapid football and we aren't! Granted it's possible but highly unlikely, I wish it weren't so 😠😕
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 23, 2017 12:13:47 GMT
I wonder if there is a bit of PLAYER POWER at work at Stoke at the moment.
Very similar to the Arsene Wenger situation at Arsenal - the players want Arsene to stay because they get an easy time from the manager. The supporters want him gone but the board continue to keep him.
Shawcross has come out already saying that the manager is not at fault. I get the feeling players such as Shaqiri, Jese & Choupo-Moting want Hughes to stay because he was integral to bringing them to the club.
Maybe they are making their feelings clear towards the board that they want Hughes to remain and dont like the idea of an Allardyce showing up and making them run up and down hills to get fit.
Of course it should be purely up to Peter Coates and the board but in modern football we know the players have a lot of power and influence. I can imagine if a new manager came in then some of the players might push to leave the club if they dont like the new guy.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 23, 2017 12:16:19 GMT
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 23, 2017 12:17:56 GMT
So what do we expect will happen? Hughes will continue to bury his head in the sand and appear not to panic. And Coates will continue to be happy to not have to make a decision even though things have been shit for 18 months. Meanwhile us supporters who pay good money week after week have to endure the frustration and disappointment of what's being dished up on match days. We need a settled team with a tactics that the team understands with players playing where they should play, no more strikers as wing backs or full backs as wing backs, no more DCM's as strikers, and no more Glen fucking Johnson. Drop players that are obviously out of form and give players a chance to prove their worth. Get some of the rising young talent on the bench and play them. Get the players fit and hungry to do well, motivate them and bollock them if they under perform and FFS stop feeding us the fucking bullshit after a match, if we play wank just admit it. Gouranga.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2017 12:19:06 GMT
If results and performances don't improve he'll be gone before Christmas.
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Post by puddledpotter on Oct 23, 2017 12:20:20 GMT
While agreeing that there have been too many performances like Saturday's over the last 18 months I hope the board dont panic and only act having thought long and hard. If Hughes is sacked who will replace him, who is available and he is not on the pitch, the players are equally at fault for Saturday's result. A new manager cannot bring in new players until January and can only work with what we have already. I think there is a further complication which makes a quick decision unlikely. When Hughes was appointed he brought his own coaching staff with him, if he goes will they follow, if so we will have three crucial roles to fill rather than one which would take time.
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Post by scfc5 on Oct 23, 2017 12:27:27 GMT
While agreeing that there have been too many performances like Saturday's over the last 18 months I hope the board dont panic and only act having thought long and hard. If Hughes is sacked who will replace him, who is available and he is not on the pitch, the players are equally at fault for Saturday's result. A new manager cannot bring in new players until January and can only work with what we have already. I think there is a further complication which makes a quick decision unlikely. When Hughes was appointed he brought his own coaching staff with him, if he goes will they follow, if so we will have three crucial roles to fill rather than one which would take time. As Hughes did, why wouldn’t a new manager bring in his own backroom team? Most do.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 23, 2017 12:28:46 GMT
If results and performances don't improve he'll be gone before Christmas. I think that's far too long. The maximum I would give him is the next 4 games, and a minimum points total of 6 out of those. To be honest, I'm surprised(sort of!) that he's not been sacked over the weekend.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2017 12:31:33 GMT
He should have gone with the manager in the summer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2017 12:32:50 GMT
If results and performances don't improve he'll be gone before Christmas. I think that's far too long. The maximum I would give him is the next 4 games, and a minimum points total of 6 out of those. To be honest, I'm surprised(sort of!) that he's not been sacked over the weekend. Lose the next two and he could well be gone I agree.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 23, 2017 12:35:57 GMT
Both Shawcross and Allen have come out with - DONT panic messages since the weekend.
The club is circling the wagons and burying their heads in the sand. Im guessing Coates will get on Radio Stoke later this week saying everything is ok and in order.
It looks like we are miles away from Hughes getting the sack
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Post by milky on Oct 23, 2017 12:51:31 GMT
Eerily it's starting to remind me of the leading up to the demise of Mick Mills.
The same blase attitude that everything would be ok and it was a given things would improve.
Well they didn't but it till took a 6 -0 hammering before he was finally shown the door.And that season didn't end well !
I reckon he should be given 2 games now..no more..the so called reaction after the Man City game Hughes promised was a joke !
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 23, 2017 12:56:45 GMT
Lose to Watford is a given. If he can pick up points there then there's a glimmer of light. Lose the next with Leicester where we both are then I don't see any other solutions Poo team selection, poor transfer dealings over last two seasons Only hope that PC is scheming to make things more interesting by introducing a near crowd panic by relegation looming before setting forth a recovery under a new leader! It's about as realistic a conspiracy theory as there being a world war two bomber on the moon! 😕 we won away at Watford last season, quite easily, so why is it a given that we lose? We won the world cup in '66 so we must have won it in '70 too on that basis then. Hang on a min I'll just check something.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 23, 2017 12:59:31 GMT
It’s a good thing the board don’t panic
We would be like the rest of these sack a manager clubs that don’t progress.
It’s not good at the moment granted but Hughes has done nothing to suggest he can’t turn it around.
We won’t get relegated under Hughes this season
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Post by thevoid on Oct 23, 2017 13:06:11 GMT
Both Shawcross and Allen have come out with - DONT panic messages since the weekend. The club is circling the wagons and burying their heads in the sand. Im guessing Coates will get on Radio Stoke later this week saying everything is ok and in order. It looks like we are miles away from Hughes getting the sack Lose to Leicester and it may be protest time then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 13:12:08 GMT
It’s a good thing the board don’t panic We would be like the rest of these sack a manager clubs that don’t progress. It’s not good at the moment granted but Hughes has done nothing to suggest he can’t turn it around. We won’t get relegated under Hughes this season "Its not good at the moment" It's the longest moment I've ever known.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 13:16:02 GMT
Both Shawcross and Allen have come out with - DONT panic messages since the weekend. The club is circling the wagons and burying their heads in the sand. Im guessing Coates will get on Radio Stoke later this week saying everything is ok and in order. It looks like we are miles away from Hughes getting the sack As I said after Ryan's recent interview praising Hughes, we could expect Allen and Butland to say similar this week. Jack Butland will be the next on the club's PR offensive to reiterate how wonderful Hughes is and that the players are confident they can turn things around in the next few games. It's complete and utter bullshit and the Board are sitting there dawdling, risking our Prem status and just hoping that things will improve. Meanwhile other clubs are taking decisive actions which may well (or may not) reap the desired result. Just what will it take for the Board to bite the bullet ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 13:17:23 GMT
It’s a good thing the board don’t panic We would be like the rest of these sack a manager clubs that don’t progress. It’s not good at the moment granted but Hughes has done nothing to suggest he can’t turn it around. We won’t get relegated under Hughes this season TBH I dont think Hughes has shown any indication that he can turn it around. We're getting worse as time progresses.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 23, 2017 13:25:53 GMT
It’s a good thing the board don’t panic We would be like the rest of these sack a manager clubs that don’t progress. It’s not good at the moment granted but Hughes has done nothing to suggest he can’t turn it around. We won’t get relegated under Hughes this season We can't if he gets the sack he won't fuckin be here, what has he done to suggest he can turn it around ?
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Post by Jack Jarvis Esquire on Oct 23, 2017 13:32:52 GMT
Coates is more concerned with his "best chairman in the league" tag than doing what needs to be done.What perspective should we put that result at the weekend in? We need a manager with a clear idea how he wants to play with players in their proper positions.People are burying there head in the sand if they think anything will change under Hughes,look at the last 18 months.
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