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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 19, 2017 9:51:42 GMT
Can we put to bed this crap about Burnley's football to bed now. It's much better to watch than ours is. That doesn’t mean it’s good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 10:01:33 GMT
Can we put to bed this crap about Burnley's football to bed now. It's much better to watch than ours is. Mmmmmmm. They're on a good run and fair play to them, let's see them when they hit a bad run or a few injuries and things get a bit tougher......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 10:05:41 GMT
Can't believe there's nothing on here about the media darlings yesterday, unless I'm missing something. Positively sickening to behold.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2017 10:06:25 GMT
Can we put to bed this crap about Burnley's football to bed now. It's much better to watch than ours is. That doesn’t mean it’s good. I've watched their last three games quite closely, absolutely nothing to dislike. Plenty of passing (they recently scored a 24 pass goal against Everton) and a desire to get forward with a clear plan, utilising every player to their maximum. They play better stuff than a fair few teams in this league.....including us.
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Post by lancashirelad on Nov 19, 2017 10:09:32 GMT
Can we put to bed this crap about Burnley's football to bed now. It's much better to watch than ours is. You would be welcome to a season ticket at Turf Moor. They are a well organised team based on defence and work brilliantly to a system. Yesterday they scored two good goals and neither from a set piece which is unusual. I prefer to see a few moments of skill which Stoke can provide as entertainment even if not as structured as Dyche sets his team up. They are clear of the pack but I prefer as a neutral to watch many of the pack on TV than Burnley.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2017 10:13:52 GMT
Can we put to bed this crap about Burnley's football to bed now. It's much better to watch than ours is. You would be welcome to a season ticket at Turf Moor. They are a well organised team based on defence and work brilliantly to a system. Yesterday they scored two good goals and neither from a set piece which is unusual. I prefer to see a few moments of skill which Stoke can provide as entertainment even if not as structured as Dyche sets his team up. They are clear of the pack but I prefer as a neutral to watch many of the pack on TV than Burnley. It's just lazy arse stereotyping bollocks mainly based on Dyche's image rather than any actual evidence.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 19, 2017 10:16:46 GMT
That doesn’t mean it’s good. I've watched their last three games quite closely, absolutely nothing to dislike. Plenty of passing (they recently scored a 24 pass goal against Everton) and a desire to get forward with a clear plan, utilising every player to their maximum. They play better stuff than a fair few teams in this league.....including us. Their Monday night game against Newcastle was so dull I thought my eyes were actually going to crust over. It’s redundant to keep comparing them to us because I don’t know many people who are happy with how we’re playing. The difference is that I’ve seen what we’re capable of playing and where we’re capable of finishing, and I don’t think Dyche and his safety-first stuff gets you anywhere near that in terms of style or results. He’s doing a brilliant job, no question, but he’s another flavour of Tone and I’ve had more than enough of that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 19, 2017 10:17:54 GMT
You would be welcome to a season ticket at Turf Moor. They are a well organised team based on defence and work brilliantly to a system. Yesterday they scored two good goals and neither from a set piece which is unusual. I prefer to see a few moments of skill which Stoke can provide as entertainment even if not as structured as Dyche sets his team up. They are clear of the pack but I prefer as a neutral to watch many of the pack on TV than Burnley. It's just lazy arse stereotyping bollocks mainly based on Dyche's image rather than any actual evidence. So just to be clear, you’re saying if Dyche looked like Brad Pitt, nobody would be saying his teams play defensive football?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2017 10:29:08 GMT
It's just lazy arse stereotyping bollocks mainly based on Dyche's image rather than any actual evidence. So just to be clear, you’re saying if Dyche looked like Brad Pitt, nobody would be saying his teams play defensive football? Just look at the difference in media coverage of Eddie Howe and Dyche and there's your answer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 19, 2017 10:31:35 GMT
So just to be clear, you’re saying if Dyche looked like Brad Pitt, nobody would be saying his teams play defensive football? Just look at the difference in media coverage of Eddie Howe and Dyche and there's your answer. They’re wrong about Howe though, not Dyche. Dyche’s football isn’t being misrepresented, even the Burnley fan who posts on here says he’s a safety first manager.
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Post by fca47 on Nov 19, 2017 10:35:05 GMT
The reality about the premier league is that the top six have way more money,re mega rich owners or global sales, ironically the even distribution of TVs money makes the rest more competitive amongst each other. The only way to consistently stay out of trouble, I think Stoke are the only one out of the top six who haven't been relegated in the last ten years, is to play pragmatic football. This moving on crap flies in the face of reality, as soon as you try to outfootball teams you are pretty much in the mire, it might work for a short time ,but you eventually come a cropper, you can't outfootball the top six, and normally your defence isn't good enough that it doesn't make too many mistakes when you open up.
The choice seems to be to play crap football like us, West Brom, Burnley or just accept the fact that if you try and play more attractive football, you will become a yo- yo club, if you're lucky. Watford seem to be this years version of a team moving on, but we will have to see if the wheels eventually come off.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2017 10:50:15 GMT
Just look at the difference in media coverage of Eddie Howe and Dyche and there's your answer. They’re wrong about Howe though, not Dyche. Dyche’s football isn’t being misrepresented, even the Burnley fan who posts on here says he’s a safety first manager. A manager of a team in Burnley's position would be mental not to employ some caution. They're simply not what you paint them as though. Their routine demolition of Swansea yesterday included some decent stuff and more often than not they brought it out from the back. He's a good manager. I think we'd be very lucky if we could persuade him to be our next manager.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 19, 2017 10:54:11 GMT
The reality about the premier league is that the top six have way more money,re mega rich owners or global sales, ironically the even distribution of TVs money makes the rest more competitive amongst each other. The only way to consistently stay out of trouble, I think Stoke are the only one out of the top six who haven't been relegated in the last ten years, is to play pragmatic football. This moving on crap flies in the face of reality, as soon as you try to outfootball teams you are pretty much in the mire, it might work for a short time ,but you eventually come a cropper, you can't outfootball the top six, and normally your defence isn't good enough that it doesn't make too many mistakes when you open up. The choice seems to be to play crap football like us, West Brom, Burnley or just accept the fact that if you try and play more attractive football, you will become a yo- yo club, if you're lucky. Watford seem to be this years version of a team moving on, but we will have to see if the wheels eventually come off. You have to be pragmatic sometimes, and maybe against the big clubs, but I don’t see any reason at all why that has to be the norm. Even if you are pragmatic, the sort of fast counter-attacking stuff played by teams like Leicester is the sort of stuff I’d rather see us play.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 19, 2017 10:55:50 GMT
They’re wrong about Howe though, not Dyche. Dyche’s football isn’t being misrepresented, even the Burnley fan who posts on here says he’s a safety first manager. A manager of a team in Burnley's position would be mental not to employ some caution. They're simply not what you paint them as though. Their routine demolition of Swansea yesterday included some decent stuff and more often than not they brought it out from the back. He's a good manager. I think we'd be very lucky if we could persuade him to be our next manager. Do you see them finishing top half? Do you see them producing the kind of stuff we did during peak-Hughes a couple of years back? It’s limiting stuff.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2017 11:00:04 GMT
A manager of a team in Burnley's position would be mental not to employ some caution. They're simply not what you paint them as though. Their routine demolition of Swansea yesterday included some decent stuff and more often than not they brought it out from the back. He's a good manager. I think we'd be very lucky if we could persuade him to be our next manager. Do you see them finishing top half? Do you see them producing the kind of stuff we did during peak-Hughes a couple of years back? It’s limiting stuff. Peak Hughes was about 3 games. It's nothing to write home about and with a system that was found out pretty easily.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 19, 2017 11:00:17 GMT
Remember me wanting Dyche before the season started? I wanted him just because he knows how to organise a defense and find a decent central defender. Been very impressed by Trakowski (or something like that) so far this season by the way. Dyche also likes to play a counter attacking game which I think is the clue for smaller clubs if they are going to achieve something. Clubs like Burnley and Stoke won't be able to play most clubs off the park for most games so for me a solid defence and counter attacking football is the way to go.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2017 11:02:02 GMT
A manager of a team in Burnley's position would be mental not to employ some caution. They're simply not what you paint them as though. Their routine demolition of Swansea yesterday included some decent stuff and more often than not they brought it out from the back. He's a good manager. I think we'd be very lucky if we could persuade him to be our next manager. Do you see them finishing top half? Do you see them producing the kind of stuff we did during peak-Hughes a couple of years back? It’s limiting stuff. I think it will be tough but its very possible. They're 7 points clear of 8th, 10 points clear of us and have a better goal difference than everyone below them. I simply don't think you get yourself in that position playing the death of football stuff you cliam they play.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 19, 2017 11:04:39 GMT
Do you see them finishing top half? Do you see them producing the kind of stuff we did during peak-Hughes a couple of years back? It’s limiting stuff. Peak Hughes was about 3 games. It's nothing to write home about and with a system that was found out pretty easily. I’m not just talking about the false nine stuff and I’m not especially going out to bat for Hughes, who can go tomorrow for me. We played some good stuff for a fair bit of his first 2.5 seasons. My point is more that Pulisball/Dycheball/Rowettball only takes you so far.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 19, 2017 11:06:07 GMT
Do you see them finishing top half? Do you see them producing the kind of stuff we did during peak-Hughes a couple of years back? It’s limiting stuff. I think it will be tough but its very possible. They're 7 points clear of 8th, 10 points clear of us and have a better goal difference than everyone below them. I simply don't think you get yourself in that position playing the death of football stuff you cliam they play. We’ll see mate. I’ll happily bet you a gallon of ale of your choosing they won’t finish top half.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2017 11:07:20 GMT
Peak Hughes was about 3 games. It's nothing to write home about and with a system that was found out pretty easily. I’m not just talking about the false nine stuff and I’m not especially going out to bat for Hughes, who can go tomorrow for me. We played some good stuff for a fair bit of his first 2.5 seasons. My point is more that Pulisball/Dycheball/Rowettball only takes you so far. Dyche is proving that wrong this season and I don't think it'll change that much. He's a seriously good manager.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 19, 2017 11:17:17 GMT
I’m not just talking about the false nine stuff and I’m not especially going out to bat for Hughes, who can go tomorrow for me. We played some good stuff for a fair bit of his first 2.5 seasons. My point is more that Pulisball/Dycheball/Rowettball only takes you so far. Dyche is proving that wrong this season and I don't think it'll change that much. He's a seriously good manager. It’s November. In Pulis’ last season we were 8th at Christmas. I think they’ll finish 11th-14th.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2017 11:25:25 GMT
I think it will be tough but its very possible. They're 7 points clear of 8th, 10 points clear of us and have a better goal difference than everyone below them. I simply don't think you get yourself in that position playing the death of football stuff you cliam they play. We’ll see mate. I’ll happily bet you a gallon of ale of your choosing they won’t finish top half. As they're odds on with most bookies, I should take you up on the bet.......but I wont
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2017 11:26:09 GMT
Dyche is proving that wrong this season and I don't think it'll change that much. He's a seriously good manager. It’s November. In Pulis’ last season we were 8th at Christmas. I think they’ll finish 11th-14th. Were we keeping pace with the Champions League teams? If Dyche stays, 7th is there for the taking.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 19, 2017 11:29:08 GMT
It’s November. In Pulis’ last season we were 8th at Christmas. I think they’ll finish 11th-14th. Were we keeping pace with the Champions League teams? If Dyche stays, 7th is there for the taking. It’s there for the taking. I don’t see them taking it.
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Post by lancashirelad on Nov 19, 2017 11:34:24 GMT
You would be welcome to a season ticket at Turf Moor. They are a well organised team based on defence and work brilliantly to a system. Yesterday they scored two good goals and neither from a set piece which is unusual. I prefer to see a few moments of skill which Stoke can provide as entertainment even if not as structured as Dyche sets his team up. They are clear of the pack but I prefer as a neutral to watch many of the pack on TV than Burnley. It's just lazy arse stereotyping bollocks mainly based on Dyche's image rather than any actual evidence. Thanks for your intelligent response as usual
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 19, 2017 11:36:48 GMT
On the evidence so far he is doing a great job . I like a lot if the players he signs and he sorts his team's well. Only time will tell if he can do it with after players but I tend to agree with the OP. A club like Stoke probably needs that type of manager.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2017 11:39:05 GMT
On the evidence so far he is doing a great job . I like a lot if the players he signs and he sorts his team's well. Only time will tell if he can do it with after players but I tend to agree with the OP. A club like Stoke probably needs that type of manager. What does "can do it with after players" mean?
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Post by PB1863 on Nov 19, 2017 11:48:09 GMT
The league is split into thirds. Top 6, 7-14, 15-20. Our challenge is to finish top of the second third and stay there. If a manager does it one year there is pressure to replicate it which is very difficult the following year against 7+ other managers. Pressure builds, fans get unhappy... who would be a manager?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2017 12:04:25 GMT
It's just lazy arse stereotyping bollocks mainly based on Dyche's image rather than any actual evidence. Thanks for your intelligent response as usual Thank you for your perennial dullness.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 19, 2017 12:05:05 GMT
All we need is to play to a system that suits us better.....I'm NOT convinced by this: 3 at the back lark, Zonal marking Wing backs (when we don't have actual wing backs) And Choupo-Moting up front, it's obvious he's not an out and out goal scorer, so why play him there???
Some may not agree, but we miss a direct winger in the mould of oussama assaidi, Target man up front (nothing wrong with Crouch), and either Shaq or Jese playing in just behind him....
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