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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 25, 2017 21:44:12 GMT
It feels like this game is the acid test as to whether the players are behind the manager. Let's see if he gets a reaction.
If not then we need a new management team with hunger, who can motivate the players.
I really think there has been a shocking lack of focus and intensity from the players.
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 25, 2017 22:38:19 GMT
Watford are the most improved side on the league. They were the worst side I saw last season and I was amazed they managed to stay up. This new manager has them working hard, has them organised, and they look a threat up front....everything that we are not. I’m fully expecting a defeat on Saturday and it could very well become Hughes’ last match as Stoke manager.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 25, 2017 22:43:40 GMT
There's no doubt this is a tough game but Stoke under Hughes have tended to surprise when least expected. Peter Coates will be looking at both the result and performance, if the performance is good he will probably get more games I would think.
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Post by pottarius on Oct 26, 2017 0:07:28 GMT
There's no doubt this is a tough game but Stoke under Hughes have tended to surprise when least expected. Peter Coates will be looking at both the result and performance, if the performance is good he will probably get more games I would think. Well if it was expected it wouldn't be a surprise surely? Short of losing by 4 or more goals I still expect Hughes to be the manager this time next week. Coates won't get rid mid-season, most likely way he'll depart is if it gets embarrasingly bad and Hughes may chose to fall on his sword
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Post by kustokie on Oct 26, 2017 4:46:39 GMT
Getting the defense is sorted out is job number one. Abandone this three at the back bullshit because we don’t have the wing-backs (emphasis on back) for it and it’s killing us. We end up reverting to four at the back anyway so why not start that way. We bring on Crouch and things improve, so start with him and take him off when he’s knackered, instead of waiting until we’re behind in an act of desperation. Butland Edwards Zouma BMI Pieters Cameron Fletcher Diouf Shaqiri Choupo-Moting Crouch Would rather us play NGoy up front than Crouch Nope
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Oct 26, 2017 5:06:11 GMT
Very interesting piece in them today follow the link , 2 year coach shelf life , transfer policy etc , interesting that we would traditionally be considered well run them a club in chaos , but their CEO seems pretty enlightened by comparison bbc.in/2z3Wwq3 Good article that. And their CEO does seem to know his onions and when you think about the 2 yr shelf life it makes grim reading for us and Hughes. Managers who last more than 2 yrs in the Prem are few and far between, Watford's transfer/recruitment policy regarding 10 targets per position and getting deals done quickly seems to knock us for six. In the grand scheme of things it is far better to get transfers done early to get new signings up and running. It helps they have a manager who seems to have a stringent, tactical plan and buys players to fit that plan....like Hughes used to do. I fear a drubbing Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 6:07:34 GMT
Very interesting piece in them today follow the link , 2 year coach shelf life , transfer policy etc , interesting that we would traditionally be considered well run them a club in chaos , but their CEO seems pretty enlightened by comparison bbc.in/2z3Wwq3 Good article that. And their CEO does seem to know his onions and when you think about the 2 yr shelf life it makes grim reading for us and Hughes. Managers who last more than 2 yrs in the Prem are few and far between, Watford's transfer/recruitment policy regarding 10 targets per position and getting deals done quickly seems to knock us for six. In the grand scheme of things it is far better to get transfers done early to get new signings up and running. It helps they have a manager who seems to have a stringent, tactical plan and buys players to fit that plan....like Hughes used to do. I fear a drubbing Saturday. I agree, they seem to be everything that we're not. Watford looked really good at Chelsea and were unlucky to lose. We seem to have no fight, no tactical plan, no cohesion, nothing at all. I hope we are surprised with an unexpected 3 points but I'm worried it'll be 3-0 or 4-0.
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Oct 26, 2017 6:14:41 GMT
Berahino hat trick 👍🏼 We can all dream
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Post by Gods on Oct 26, 2017 6:32:59 GMT
Getting the defense is sorted out is job number one. Abandone this three at the back bullshit because we don’t have the wing-backs (emphasis on back) for it and it’s killing us. We end up reverting to four at the back anyway so why not start that way. We bring on Crouch and things improve, so start with him and take him off when he’s knackered, instead of waiting until we’re behind in an act of desperation. Butland Edwards Zouma BMI Pieters Cameron Fletcher Diouf Shaqiri Choupo-Moting Crouch Would rather us play NGoy up front than Crouch Hughes career is hanging by a thread, he's not about to bet the bank on a player who has never scored a goal in his short life mate !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 6:57:15 GMT
Very interesting piece in them today follow the link , 2 year coach shelf life , transfer policy etc , interesting that we would traditionally be considered well run them a club in chaos , but their CEO seems pretty enlightened by comparison bbc.in/2z3Wwq3 Thanks for that Benji. Enlightening and frightening all the same. Feels like a world away from our structure.
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Post by leoncort on Oct 26, 2017 14:43:16 GMT
Affelay has to start. Alongside Fletcher in the following formation
Butland
Edwards Shawcross Zouma Erik
Affelay Fletcher Allen
Jese Diouf Choupo-Moting.
Watford play best on the counter attack, hence the good performances away from home. Only beaten Arsenal at home, thanks to a dive for a pen but oh well its Arsenal.
We should sit in first half, let them have the ball and they wont do anything, they wont break us down. Then use the three in midfield to win the ball back and break with the pace of Diouf supported by the quality of Jese and Choupo. We must set up to not concede, if we go one down their fast, strong players like Richarlison, Gray, Deeney, Carillo etc will pick us up on the break and it will be another 4-2.
We'll beat these IF the tactics are right.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 26, 2017 14:55:13 GMT
Cannot see anything but a defeat they are flying & probably the surprise team so far this season. I would very much like to think we could bounce back & grab 3 points but that was the plan last weekend & that did not go to well as we all know. Hughes needs to get a win not a draw or narrow defeat or he must be gone by Monday & give somebody else enough time to mould us into something half decent & save our skin.
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Post by westgatelakes on Oct 26, 2017 15:01:00 GMT
if Shaq is fit and has a good game I don't think we`ll lose this one
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 26, 2017 19:52:20 GMT
We've got the worst away record in the division since we beat them 1-0 there 11 months ago.
Mind you, that performance was as unexpected as it was impressive.
So who knows?
I don't think a draw is beyond us.
Butland Cameron-Zouma-Shawcross-Pieters Allen-Fletcher Choupo-Shaq-Jese Diouf
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 20:03:06 GMT
Butland
Edwards Shawcross Indi Pieters
Zouma Cameron
Shaq Jesé
Diouf Berahino
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 26, 2017 20:07:09 GMT
Butland Edwards Shawcross Indi Pieters Zouma Cameron Shaq Jesé Diouf Berahino Yep I think that's our best XI too. Not a chance in hell, that we'll ever see it mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 20:15:46 GMT
if Shaq is fit and has a good game I don't think we`ll lose this one He’ll be wrapped in Swiss cotton wool until after their play off.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 26, 2017 20:15:57 GMT
Butland Edwards Shawcross Indi Pieters Zouma Cameron Shaq Jesé Diouf Berahino It's got the hallmarks of a Hodgson Brazil 2016 formation about it. Some kind of fucked up 4-2-4 which will see us get battered. Next.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 26, 2017 20:16:32 GMT
For the first time ever I've backed us to lose in the predictor league at work - so a win is surely on the cards.......
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 26, 2017 20:21:36 GMT
I've watched Hughes at the press conference and played it back three times, have to say he doesn't look or sound like a man who thinks he's about to lose his job,or perhaps he's just a good actor.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 26, 2017 20:22:08 GMT
Would rather us play NGoy up front than Crouch Hughes career is hanging by a thread, he's not about to bet the bank on a player who has never scored a goal in his short life mate ! Who Berahino....
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 26, 2017 20:23:52 GMT
Big game for Hughes. We can have so much of the players apologising for shit performance after shit. But we deserve and need more quality. People make me laugh when they slag Pulis off. I mean what the fuck are we doing right now. Theres no honeymoon period
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Post by senojbor on Oct 26, 2017 20:29:15 GMT
Even if we lose heavily I still think he'll stay in his job. History tells us Coates is a stubborn son of a gun
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Post by Davef on Oct 26, 2017 20:32:45 GMT
Big game for Hughes. We can have so much of the players apologising for shit performance after shit. But we deserve and need more quality. People make me laugh when they slag Pulis off. I mean what the fuck are we doing right now. Theres no honeymoon period What are you on about, "no honeymoon period"?
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 26, 2017 20:35:32 GMT
Affelay has to start. Alongside Fletcher in the following formation Butland Edwards Shawcross Zouma Erik Affelay Fletcher Allen Jese Diouf Choupo-Moting. Watford play best on the counter attack, hence the good performances away from home. Only beaten Arsenal at home, thanks to a dive for a pen but oh well its Arsenal. We should sit in first half, let them have the ball and they wont do anything, they wont break us down. Then use the three in midfield to win the ball back and break with the pace of Diouf supported by the quality of Jese and Choupo. We must set up to not concede, if we go one down their fast, strong players like Richarlison, Gray, Deeney, Carillo etc will pick us up on the break and it will be another 4-2. We'll beat these IF the tactics are right. I'm a big Affelay fan but on the few sub appearances this season he's another who looks miles off the pace. I hope not, but can't help thinking his latest injury may be his undoing.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 26, 2017 20:36:21 GMT
Was his press conference today?. Didn't see it mentioned anywhere?
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 26, 2017 20:43:14 GMT
Butland Edwards Shawcross Indi Pieters Zouma Cameron Shaq Jesé Diouf Berahino 4-2-2-2? These formations become even more baffling, no wonder the players haven't a clue what their roles are. With the same players how about: Butland Edwards Shawcross Indi Pieters Shaq Zouma Cameron Jese Diouf Berahino 😀
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 27, 2017 5:57:20 GMT
Watford seem pretty confident on their forum and rightly so on current form, but Christ another example of a club with a good start and then thinking they are Barcelona. Throw in the token references to us being, thugs, spoilers and big and it's the classic stereotyping again. They are now right up there with Bournemouth for me.....love us to win but can only see defeat.
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Post by Northy on Oct 27, 2017 6:10:57 GMT
Affelay has to start. Alongside Fletcher in the following formation Butland Edwards Shawcross Zouma Erik Affelay Fletcher Allen Jese Diouf Choupo-Moting. Watford play best on the counter attack, hence the good performances away from home. Only beaten Arsenal at home, thanks to a dive for a pen but oh well its Arsenal. We should sit in first half, let them have the ball and they wont do anything, they wont break us down. Then use the three in midfield to win the ball back and break with the pace of Diouf supported by the quality of Jese and Choupo. We must set up to not concede, if we go one down their fast, strong players like Richarlison, Gray, Deeney, Carillo etc will pick us up on the break and it will be another 4-2. We'll beat these IF the tactics are right. why does Affelay have to start, why not Cameron for his strength and energy?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 27, 2017 6:56:45 GMT
I just wish we could have our best 11 all out there 100 percent fit and firing. The Man U game showed what we're capable of. Having 75-80 percent fit players out there will always end badly.
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