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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 18, 2017 6:56:35 GMT
Yeah, good luck with that Pierre.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 18, 2017 7:00:18 GMT
The good news in that Sentinel report is that Edwards appears to have avoided ligament damage.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Oct 18, 2017 7:01:20 GMT
But that picture can't be right? It's Mark Hughes that stands with his arms folded surely while the other manager is animated. How can you win games with your arms folded!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 18, 2017 7:12:05 GMT
The perspective is we've absolutely awful to watch for getting on two years now and something needs to change.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 18, 2017 7:31:29 GMT
I think by and large, bearing in mind the sheer volume of ass whoopings we've had in the past 18 months, the supporters have held their perspective remarkably well. We always have a certain amount of the screaming ab-dabs on here whatever the results but in the real world, I don't think you can particularly criticise the supporters at all, they've been pretty patient, giving the manager the credit in the bank he'd earned from his first three years.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 18, 2017 8:01:51 GMT
Nothing controversial really... "Didn't play well. We were very poor. Man City were fantastic, one of the best teams I've seen" "We've had one poor game in the league, apart from Bristol City when we were exceptionally poor. Chelsea was totally different, especially with our entire defence being injured - and every mistake we made, they scored" "I was amused by one view that we need a young, up-and-coming manager like Watford. Well, they lost 6-0 at home against Man City" "They're 4th and having a good season - but they still lost 6-0" "You can't get carried away with the good days or the bad days" "I know the manager likes Edwards a lot - he's a great crosser of a ball and we hope he's going to become a regular in the future" "We need a response on Saturday. No easy games in this league. Lots of very fine margins in games not involving the top 6" "Frustrating to see the injuries at the back, but we know Wimmer's a good player""Optimistic Berahino will come good. He's had 2 years off the radar and we need him to score" Coates trying to polish an 18m pound turd?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 8:07:27 GMT
Why wouldn't he defend Hughes? Where else will the club find a manager who gets on with the job quietly despite having one of the lowest net spends in the league, yet one that manages to keep us in the league each season, with the odd bone chucked to the fans, and as such keeps the bounty flowing in?
It's an almost zen like situation for any club owner. Happy days.
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 18, 2017 8:38:09 GMT
Why wouldn't he defend Hughes? Where else will the club find a manager who gets on with the job quietly despite having one of the lowest net spends in the league, yet one that manages to keep us in the league each season, with the odd bone chucked to the fans, and as such keeps the bounty flowing in? It's an almost zen like situation for any club owner. Happy days. "Happy days" wtf we are on a course to be relegated and youre happy.How negative and how so predictable for Stoke fans to think this way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 8:56:41 GMT
So it's the owner's fault we're playing shit then?
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Post by cooper67 on Oct 18, 2017 9:10:51 GMT
Why wouldn't he defend Hughes? Where else will the club find a manager who gets on with the job quietly despite having one of the lowest net spends in the league, yet one that manages to keep us in the league each season, with the odd bone chucked to the fans, and as such keeps the bounty flowing in? It's an almost zen like situation for any club owner. Happy days. I prefer my bones with some meat on.
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Post by Davef on Oct 18, 2017 9:41:36 GMT
Why wouldn't he defend Hughes? Where else will the club find a manager who gets on with the job quietly despite having one of the lowest net spends in the league, yet one that manages to keep us in the league each season, with the odd bone chucked to the fans, and as such keeps the bounty flowing in? It's an almost zen like situation for any club owner. Happy days. "Happy days" wtf we are on a course to be relegated and youre happy.How negative and how so predictable for Stoke fans to think this way. How to misunderstand a post in one easy lesson.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Oct 18, 2017 9:59:45 GMT
"Happy days" wtf we are on a course to be relegated and youre happy.How negative and how so predictable for Stoke fans to think this way. How to misunderstand a post in one easy lesson. 'We are on course to be relegated.... the same line that gets trotted out every year when we toy with the relegation area. We have had a period of playing against the top sides (And before some pendant screams yet but we've also played other sides, I know) but now we can see how we perform with an extended period of playing sides around us. Only then can we judge the side's future.... I am disappointed but not overly worried.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 10:03:54 GMT
"Happy days" wtf we are on a course to be relegated and youre happy.How negative and how so predictable for Stoke fans to think this way. How to misunderstand a post in one easy lesson. Thanks Dave.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 18, 2017 10:27:15 GMT
I think by and large, bearing in mind the sheer volume of ass whoopings we've had in the past 18 months, the supporters have held their perspective remarkably well. We always have a certain amount of the screaming ab-dabs on here whatever the results but in the real world, I don't think you can particularly criticise the supporters at all, they've been pretty patient, giving the manager the credit in the bank he'd earned from his first three years. There wasn't that much wrong last season either. The football wasn't as enjoyable but we finished 13th, 2 points less than Southampton in 8th place. If you were Coates and were looking to change the manager last summer who would you pick? Assuming the managers of the big 6 clubs who finished 1-6 positions would not work at Stoke, and assuming there is no logic/too risky in picking an unproven manager or a manager of a Prem team who finished lower than us, then that means the choice is one of the managers whose team finished 7th to 12th, i.e. 7th Everton (would Koeman leave them last summer to join Stoke?), 8th Southampton (Puel got sacked, maybe we should have sacked Hughes and employed him - not Coates is it?), 9th Bournemouth (a lot on here wanted Howe, where is he now (?), we'll see on Saturday.), 10th West Brom (that would cause a bit a stir!), 11th West Ham (the ambitious club, a lot on here wanted Bilic, should be available soon), 12th Leicester (do I need to remark?). I'm with Coates we should stick with Hughes. He's far from perfect, he does fold his arms (give me strength!) but there is no one better who would come to Stoke, although there are of course some other rejects. If we do get into serious relegation trouble, and I don't think we will, (I think we will finish in the top half of the Prem. Hughes usually does), then send for Sam out of retirement, or Pulis, who will be sacked/released from his contract with a big pay off by then, to get us out of the relegation zone, but that is all they are capable of.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 18, 2017 10:41:48 GMT
From the Sentivale... "He acknowledged the disappointment of fans, but observed: “Manchester City’s was as good an attacking performance as I’ve seen in a long, long time. I was searching to see when I had seen better and couldn’t come up with anything since the great Real Madrid side of di Stefano, Puskas and the like."
I agree, but not many will understand his comparison.
Regarding Wimmer, I have no idea whether he will come good or not. But I can recall two players who were described as 'utter shit' and proved everybody wrong. Bouldy was one and the other is John Stones at Man City who is becoming a class player IMO.
I've read the Sentivale piece and I can't find anything to disagree with. But then again, even though I'm no great Hughes fan, the chairman talks a lot of common sense.
OS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 18, 2017 10:56:22 GMT
I think by and large, bearing in mind the sheer volume of ass whoopings we've had in the past 18 months, the supporters have held their perspective remarkably well. We always have a certain amount of the screaming ab-dabs on here whatever the results but in the real world, I don't think you can particularly criticise the supporters at all, they've been pretty patient, giving the manager the credit in the bank he'd earned from his first three years. There wasn't that much wrong last season either. The football wasn't as enjoyable but we finished 13th, 2 points less than Southampton in 8th place. If you were Coates and were looking to change the manager last summer who would you pick? Assuming the managers of the big 6 clubs who finished 1-6 positions would not work at Stoke, and assuming there is no logic/too risky in picking an unproven manager or a manager of a Prem team who finished lower than us, then that means the choice is one of the managers whose team finished 7th to 12th, i.e. 7th Everton (would Koeman leave them last summer to join Stoke?), 8th Southampton (Puel got sacked, maybe we should have sacked Hughes and employed him - not Coates is it?), 9th Bournemouth (a lot on here wanted Howe, where is he now (?), we'll see on Saturday.), 10th West Brom (that would cause a bit a stir!), 11th West Ham (the ambitious club, a lot on here wanted Bilic, should be available soon), 12th Leicester (do I need to remark?). I'm with Coates we should stick with Hughes. He's far from perfect, he does fold his arms (give me strength!) but there is no one better who would come to Stoke, although there are of course some other rejects. If we do get into serious relegation trouble, and I don't think we will, (I think we will finish in the top half of the Prem. Hughes usually does), then send for Sam out of retirement, or Pulis, who will be sacked/released from his contract with a big pay off by then, to get us out of the relegation zone, but that is all they are capable of. I don't think he should go and I doubt there's a chance he will this side of Christmas, even if results are poor but we had this debate about who could take over in spring 2013 and the notion that there is no suitable candidates who could do a decent job is as risible now as it was then.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 18, 2017 10:59:57 GMT
Next 6 games will tell us a fair bit Citeh are very good but not world beaters Napoli could have taken something there tonight . Way out of our league of course but we contributed a fair bit to our own downfall . We are back in our league for a few weeks now so we can see how we go on . Is that the Napoli that are one of the most in form teams in the whole of Europe at the moment? Won every game in their league so far scoring an average of over 3 a game whilst conceding just 5 in total? "Napoli could have taken something there tonight"...of course they could, they're one of the best teams in the continent at the moment! Hardly any way to form a comparison really is it? I think you may want to forget who Napoli were and how weak Serie A was a few years back, and realise that nowadays Serie A is back to being a very strong league and Napoli are far and away the best side in it!
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 18, 2017 11:01:59 GMT
Why wouldn't he defend Hughes? Where else will the club find a manager who gets on with the job quietly despite having one of the lowest net spends in the league, yet one that manages to keep us in the league each season, with the odd bone chucked to the fans, and as such keeps the bounty flowing in? It's an almost zen like situation for any club owner. Happy days. "Happy days" wtf we are on a course to be relegated and youre happy.How negative and how so predictable for Stoke fans to think this way. Oh dear
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 18, 2017 11:08:27 GMT
Next 6 games will tell us a fair bit Citeh are very good but not world beaters Napoli could have taken something there tonight . Way out of our league of course but we contributed a fair bit to our own downfall . We are back in our league for a few weeks now so we can see how we go on . Is that the Napoli that are one of the most in form teams in the whole of Europe at the moment? Won every game in their league so far scoring an average of over 3 a game whilst conceding just 5 in total? "Napoli could have taken something there tonight"...of course they could, they're one of the best teams in the continent at the moment! Hardly any way to form a comparison really is it? I think you may want to forget who Napoli were and how weak Serie A was a few years back, and realise that nowadays Serie A is back to being a very strong league and Napoli are far and away the best side in it! Not in terms of the overall result no although it might be interesting to compare the cost of their team and their wage bill with ours . I expect it is a fair bit more but it wont be like our Top 6 . Napoli’s overall wage bill (81 million euros) 16-17 Stoke City Wages £82m 15-16 per accounts , this may include scholes etc so not sure if im comparing like with like exactly but not a million miles away What was annoying about Saturday and other capitulations is how we got beat , if they score 7 goals we can do nothing about fair enough but we contributed to our own downfall for at least four of the goals . I keep seeing top level professionals who keep making pretty basic errors or not showing the desired committment and its that what bothers me . Twice in the game we conceded twice in two minutes that borders on the unprofessional , at no point did we try to get in their faces , our defenders didnt put themselves in the way of danger and just because City are as good as they are doesnt excuse that . I excpect our players to give everything pretty much every game no more , no less
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Oct 18, 2017 13:55:17 GMT
few things to add
yes Watford did get battered by Man City too but they are 4th. We're 17th. This isn't minor detail.
Wimmer doesn't look like a good player
Berahino signing hasn't worked out
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 14:12:45 GMT
I think by and large, bearing in mind the sheer volume of ass whoopings we've had in the past 18 months, the supporters have held their perspective remarkably well. We always have a certain amount of the screaming ab-dabs on here whatever the results but in the real world, I don't think you can particularly criticise the supporters at all, they've been pretty patient, giving the manager the credit in the bank he'd earned from his first three years. There wasn't that much wrong last season either. The football wasn't as enjoyable but we finished 13th, 2 points less than Southampton in 8th place. If you were Coates and were looking to change the manager last summer who would you pick? Assuming the managers of the big 6 clubs who finished 1-6 positions would not work at Stoke, and assuming there is no logic/too risky in picking an unproven manager or a manager of a Prem team who finished lower than us, then that means the choice is one of the managers whose team finished 7th to 12th, i.e. 7th Everton (would Koeman leave them last summer to join Stoke?), 8th Southampton (Puel got sacked, maybe we should have sacked Hughes and employed him - not Coates is it?), 9th Bournemouth (a lot on here wanted Howe, where is he now (?), we'll see on Saturday.), 10th West Brom (that would cause a bit a stir!), 11th West Ham (the ambitious club, a lot on here wanted Bilic, should be available soon), 12th Leicester (do I need to remark?). I'm with Coates we should stick with Hughes. He's far from perfect, he does fold his arms (give me strength!) but there is no one better who would come to Stoke, although there are of course some other rejects. If we do get into serious relegation trouble, and I don't think we will, (I think we will finish in the top half of the Prem. Hughes usually does), then send for Sam out of retirement, or Pulis, who will be sacked/released from his contract with a big pay off by then, to get us out of the relegation zone, but that is all they are capable of. We finished 13th in one of the worst Premier league's I've ever seen. Every team besides Spurs and Chelsea were either shite or inconsistent. The fact Saints finished 8th, and Bournemouth finished 9th, after how their season went shows how much of a missed opportunity it was for us last year. Everton for the most part were a very beatable side, and we came close on both occasions. Yet they finished way out ahead in 7th, with 15 points more than Saints, for simply being about at the same level as they normally are all season, as opposed to everyone below them, who were utter dogshite and any one of them could've gone down with no complaints.
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Post by ratters on Oct 18, 2017 15:34:02 GMT
few things to add yes Watford did get battered by Man City too but they are 4th. We're 17th. This isn't minor detail. That may be true, and they do have 7 points more. However the exact matchups we have had we both have 4 points from Arsenal and home and wba away. They lost to man city at home, we did away. They beat southampton away, we beat them at home. the other games we got 1 point from 2 big clubs in man utd and chelsea, they got 1 from liverpool. our downfall in comparison was 0 points from everton and newcastle (they could do the same against them) yet they won at swansea and bournmouth (we may do the same), as well as a point at home to brighton. I dont think we are that far away, these next 7 games will show it i guess. And if we win saturday and dont loose the following week at watford, there is every chance come the 2nd december there may only a few points between us as they play 3 big teams (all at home) to use just liverpool in that time
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Oct 18, 2017 15:38:01 GMT
few things to add yes Watford did get battered by Man City too but they are 4th. We're 17th. This isn't minor detail. That may be true, and they do have 7 points more. However the exact matchups we have had we both have 4 points from Arsenal and home and wba away. They lost to man city at home, we did away. They beat southampton away, we beat them at home. the other games we got 1 point from 2 big clubs in man utd and chelsea, they got 1 from liverpool. our downfall in comparison was 0 points from everton and newcastle (they could do the same against them) yet they won at swansea and bournmouth (we may do the same), as well as a point at home to brighton. I dont think we are that far away, these next 7 games will show it i guess. And if we win saturday and dont loose the following week at watford, there is every chance come the 2nd december there may only a few points between us as they play 3 big teams (all at home) to use just liverpool in that time can't see us winning at those places, or playing as well as they did tbh. On paper their squad isn't better than ours yet their manager is getting the most out of players like Cleverley & Deeney. Couldn't see Hughes doing the same here tbh. Strange for Coates to make a point about talking about Silva
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 19, 2017 0:45:40 GMT
Nothing controversial really... "Didn't play well. We were very poor. Man City were fantastic, one of the best teams I've seen" "We've had one poor game in the league, apart from Bristol City when we were exceptionally poor. Chelsea was totally different, especially with our entire defence being injured - and every mistake we made, they scored" "I was amused by one view that we need a young, up-and-coming manager like Watford. Well, they lost 6-0 at home against Man City" "They're 4th and having a good season - but they still lost 6-0" "You can't get carried away with the good days or the bad days" "I know the manager likes Edwards a lot - he's a great crosser of a ball and we hope he's going to become a regular in the future" "We need a response on Saturday. No easy games in this league. Lots of very fine margins in games not involving the top 6" "Frustrating to see the injuries at the back, but we know Wimmer's a good player" "Optimistic Berahino will come good. He's had 2 years off the radar and we need him to score" We have a competent chairman who talks and behaves like a genuine supporter and a load of fickle supporters who talk and behave like a bunch of clueless chairmen. We're lucky its that way round. Dread to think where we'd be if some of the people on this board had it their way. We would have had about 6 managers in 10 years as opposed to just 2.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 19, 2017 1:41:34 GMT
It would be interesting to see how he treats his manager's behind closed doors. Publicly he backs them to the hilt. He's one of the very best around for that. I wonder if he puts them through the mill a bit away from the media? I bloody well hope so. “Praise in public, chastise in private”. He’s now on record as saying that he expects Hughes and the team put things right against Bournemouth. I wouldn’t like to be in Hughes’s shoes if we get dicked on Saturday.
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Post by gonk on Oct 19, 2017 5:46:05 GMT
We have a competent chairman who talks and behaves like a genuine supporter and a load of fickle supporters who talk and behave like a bunch of clueless chairmen. We're lucky its that way round. Dread to think where we'd be if some of the people on this board had it their way. We would have had about 6 managers in 10 years as opposed to just 2. I am waiting for some numb nut to say we should have Cotterill back as manger now he's won a game at Birmingham.
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Post by hanibal7 on Oct 19, 2017 7:46:09 GMT
That may be true, and they do have 7 points more. However the exact matchups we have had we both have 4 points from Arsenal and home and wba away. They lost to man city at home, we did away. They beat southampton away, we beat them at home. the other games we got 1 point from 2 big clubs in man utd and chelsea, they got 1 from liverpool. our downfall in comparison was 0 points from everton and newcastle (they could do the same against them) yet they won at swansea and bournmouth (we may do the same), as well as a point at home to brighton. I dont think we are that far away, these next 7 games will show it i guess. And if we win saturday and dont loose the following week at watford, there is every chance come the 2nd december there may only a few points between us as they play 3 big teams (all at home) to use just liverpool in that time can't see us winning at those places, or playing as well as they did tbh. On paper their squad isn't better than ours yet their manager is getting the most out of players like Cleverley & Deeney. Couldn't see Hughes doing the same here tbh. Strange for Coates to make a point about talking about Silva Deeney hasn't been starting.
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Post by 3putts on Oct 19, 2017 8:26:09 GMT
can't see us winning at those places, or playing as well as they did tbh. On paper their squad isn't better than ours yet their manager is getting the most out of players like Cleverley & Deeney. Couldn't see Hughes doing the same here tbh. Strange for Coates to make a point about talking about Silva Deeney hasn't been starting. Come on john don't expect the experts on here to know anything about football pmsl
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 19, 2017 8:26:37 GMT
few things to add yes Watford did get battered by Man City too but they are 4th. We're 17th. This isn't minor detail. That may be true, and they do have 7 points more. However the exact matchups we have had we both have 4 points from Arsenal and home and wba away. They lost to man city at home, we did away. They beat southampton away, we beat them at home. the other games we got 1 point from 2 big clubs in man utd and chelsea, they got 1 from liverpool. our downfall in comparison was 0 points from everton and newcastle (they could do the same against them) yet they won at swansea and bournmouth (we may do the same), as well as a point at home to brighton. I dont think we are that far away, these next 7 games will show it i guess. And if we win saturday and dont loose the following week at watford, there is every chance come the 2nd december there may only a few points between us as they play 3 big teams (all at home) to use just liverpool in that time Very astute analysis. I guess you're like me and just want "my team" to deliver over the next few "easier" games, whereas there seem too many posters on Oatcake that seem to want the club to fail so they can say "There, I told you so."
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 19, 2017 8:26:50 GMT
Why wouldn't he defend Hughes? Where else will the club find a manager who gets on with the job quietly despite having one of the lowest net spends in the league, yet one that manages to keep us in the league each season, with the odd bone chucked to the fans, and as such keeps the bounty flowing in? It's an almost zen like situation for any club owner. Happy days. I prefer my bones with some meat on. Charlie Adam John parkin
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