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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 15, 2017 10:39:21 GMT
He's added something to his game this season. Laziness.
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Post by mungothemule on Oct 15, 2017 10:52:43 GMT
He was pathetic. Absolutely pathetic
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 15, 2017 10:52:47 GMT
Might it just be that he’s out of form and is a bit of a victim of the change in system? He’s the closest we have to an old fashioned ‘proper’ winger and the 3-4-3 doesn’t really cater to that. He’s not a wing back, that’s for sure.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 15, 2017 11:02:39 GMT
Might it just be that he’s out of form and is a bit of a victim of the change in system? He’s the closest we have to an old fashioned ‘proper’ winger and the 3-4-3 doesn’t really cater to that. He’s not a wing back, that’s for sure. Doesn't account for his attitude yesterday though. The way he ducked out of that challenge for their 6th or 7th (I'd stopped counting) was pathetic and disgusting.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 15, 2017 11:07:05 GMT
He's been badly managed.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 15, 2017 11:09:52 GMT
I really don’t know what’s going on with him tbh,yet another player that the manager isn’t getting the best out of imo.
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Post by Davef on Oct 15, 2017 11:10:40 GMT
Might it just be that he’s out of form and is a bit of a victim of the change in system? He’s the closest we have to an old fashioned ‘proper’ winger and the 3-4-3 doesn’t really cater to that. He’s not a wing back, that’s for sure. Doesn't account for his attitude yesterday though. The way he ducked out of that challenge for their 6th or 7th (I'd stopped counting) was pathetic and disgusting. Agree with that, and two passes he attempted to Pieters, who had absolutely bust a gut on overlapping runs, were pitiful.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 15, 2017 11:11:05 GMT
He's added something to his game this season. Laziness. He's fallen into line with the rest of the bone idle feckers.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 15, 2017 11:17:49 GMT
It's Hughes Name me one player who has improve as a player for Stoke City under Hughes reign. The only one I can think of is Arnie, you can't really say butland as he's a goalie Why doesnt Butland count because hes a goalie? Shaqiri hasnt he improved? Diouf hes improved .
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Post by barcaontrent on Oct 15, 2017 11:33:53 GMT
It's Hughes Name me one player who has improve as a player for Stoke City under Hughes reign. The only one I can think of is Arnie, you can't really say butland as he's a goalie Why doesnt Butland count because hes a goalie? Shaqiri hasnt he improved? Diouf hes improved . Ah the same diouf that he bought as a Striker and now has ended up at right back and for large periods of his Stoke career has been out of the side The same Shaqiri who has missed half of his Stoke career though injuries and failed to live up to the hype. Playing better this season but how can you say he's improved his career ? Butland isn't coached by Hughes
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 15, 2017 11:45:14 GMT
It's Hughes Name me one player who has improve as a player for Stoke City under Hughes reign. The only one I can think of is Arnie, you can't really say butland as he's a goalie Name me one you ask and you name two. The former we made £20million on and under Hughes Butland is England's number one keeper. As you were.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 15, 2017 11:48:47 GMT
Why doesnt Butland count because hes a goalie? Shaqiri hasnt he improved? Diouf hes improved . Ah the same diouf that he bought as a Striker and now has ended up at right back and for large periods of his Stoke career has been out of the side The same Shaqiri who has missed half of his Stoke career though injuries and failed to live up to the hype. Playing better this season but how can you say he's improved his career ? Butland isn't coached by Hughes The position that Diuof plays is irrelevant he has improved. I dont think Hughes actually coaches any of the players do you? Surely the individual coaching is down to the coaching staff. Hughes will provide the tactics.
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Post by thehoof on Oct 15, 2017 11:55:44 GMT
Doesn't account for his attitude yesterday though. The way he ducked out of that challenge for their 6th or 7th (I'd stopped counting) was pathetic and disgusting. Agree with that, and two passes he attempted to Pieters, who had absolutely bust a gut on overlapping runs, were pitiful. Pieters will know how everyone else feels waiting for one of his precision passes then. He's the last person to talk about passing.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 15, 2017 12:00:56 GMT
If Hughes thinks Diouf has improved he'd be playing him as a striker, which is what he was bought for. He may have improved at rwb but he shouldn't be playing in that position regularly as far as I am concerned......also much more importantly the man himself doesn't see it as his best position either.
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Post by barcaontrent on Oct 15, 2017 13:38:23 GMT
It's Hughes Name me one player who has improve as a player for Stoke City under Hughes reign. The only one I can think of is Arnie, you can't really say butland as he's a goalie Name me one you ask and you name two. The former we made £20million on and under Hughes Butland is England's number one keeper. As you were. I've just explained why Butland can't be counted. Do you think we've improved ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 14:08:58 GMT
Let's get real about Diouf. Two very lucky goals. The second one was going miles wide! He does not connect very often with the ball in the right place. Sorry, I know some of you love him, but he is still IMHO, an upgrade on Cameron Jerome, and we all know what he was like! I am losing the faith with this lot as a whole. Very disappointed in what I am seeing!
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 15, 2017 14:12:58 GMT
Name me one you ask and you name two. The former we made £20million on and under Hughes Butland is England's number one keeper. As you were. I've just explained why Butland can't be counted. Do you think we've improved ? Under Mark Hughes's management Jack Butland is now pushing to be the England no.1 goalkeeper. That is a stonewall FACT. We have improved - league positions and number of points prove it. Last 18 months or so have not been great and I wouldn't be upset if Hughes went but the lack of quality replacements who Coates would go for is a worry.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 15, 2017 14:19:54 GMT
Maybe, when some people on here were getting very excited about Ramadan, Hughes saw something we didn't.
Now people are blaming Hughes for getting THEIR assessment of Ramadan wrong!!
And Diouf is also getting some stick I see..
Why not broaden things out and slag the whole team off?
FFS we're one point off ninth place after a very difficult start.
Cut the team some slack.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 16:56:15 GMT
What? the same manager who had him scouted and then signed him? Hughes out. It's happening too often for it to be coincidence. Will he be another Bojan? Hughes perseveres with some and not others. I'm not sure what the problem is with Ramadan to be honest, whether it's attitude, a dislike for our manager or he's just not as good as we all thought he might be. To be honest I always thought that a lot of Stoke fans were going well over the top in their praise of him last season, but I suppose he was a very dim shining light in what was a really poor season as far as the football on show was concerned. If I had to take a guess what the problem was I'd say that there are a lot of players in our ranks who don't have any faith in what their manager is telling them and there are also a few players who just aren't up for the job. I reckon Ramadan falls into the first category.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 15, 2017 17:01:28 GMT
It's happening too often for it to be coincidence. Will he be another Bojan? Hughes perseveres with some and not others. I'm not sure what the problem is with Ramadan to be honest, whether it's attitude, a dislike for our manager or he's just not as good as we all thought he might be. To be honest I always thought that a lot of Stoke fans were going well over the top in their praise of him last season, but I suppose he was a very dim shining light in what was a really poor season as far as the football on show was concerned. If I had to take a guess what the problem was I'd say that there are a lot of players in our ranks who don't have any faith in what their manager is telling them and there are also a few players who just aren't up for the job. I reckon Ramadan falls into the first category. I certainly don't think that we are getting the best out of some of our players. I thought Ramadan was very promising last season and he should have played more. He might be a confidence player?
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Post by tqstokie on Oct 15, 2017 17:05:25 GMT
I think as a young player you go on and do your best. Ramadan did that on quite a few occasions and then gets dropped for the next game. Someone earlier questioned his commitment because he didn't challenge for a fifty fifty for their seventh goal. You have to ask yourself as a professional footballer would you have risked injury for no good reason. The game was already way gone. No wonder he is pissed off.
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Post by moz on Oct 15, 2017 17:55:31 GMT
Lack of gametime and confidence. He was bought as Arni replacement and he was doing a good job but the moment Arni left we bought two players who Ramadan knew very well that they will be chosen over him dspite how good he played based on last season treatment of him. Some players will take that situation to prove that they are the better choice and some will just surrender. I guess Ramadan is the surrender type.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Oct 18, 2017 10:56:53 GMT
According to Nader Shawki "Ramadans Agent", he asked Stoke to loan Ramadan out in January but Stoke refused his request.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 18, 2017 11:18:56 GMT
Which January?
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Post by PB1863 on Oct 18, 2017 11:26:51 GMT
He needs to know when to pass, dribble, shoot etc. at the moment he seems intent on always beating his man and defenders soon work him out as to predictable.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 18, 2017 11:34:29 GMT
He needs to know when to pass, dribble, shoot etc. at the moment he seems intent on always beating his man and defenders soon work him out as to predictable. A professional footballer who doesn't know when it's best to pass, dribble or shoot is unlikely to be very good. I'm not saying this is Ramadan, just the Ramadan you describe.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Oct 18, 2017 11:53:40 GMT
He said that 2 days ago so he means next January. He also criticized Ramadan, according to what he said, Ramadan always does what the coach asks him to do but he has also to search for his personal benefit. I dont know exactly what he means but mostly he means Ramadan always do the defensive work and he doesn't show the fans his attacking skills Anyway I dont like this guy "Nader", he always makes problems with my favorite club Al Ahly, he asked Ramadan to make a fake injury to leave Al Ahly for Stoke , he reminds me with Arni brother. sport.elwatannews.com/ar/1/1/289220
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 18, 2017 11:56:48 GMT
It's Hughes Name me one player who has improve as a player for Stoke City under Hughes reign. The only one I can think of is Arnie, you can't really say butland as he's a goalie Whelan, N'Zonzi, Cameron, Grant, all better than with previous manager or club. Shaq is better so far this season. Diouf has improved. Unfair to expect old players to improve.
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Post by icelandpotter on Oct 18, 2017 12:27:48 GMT
Stoke fans always come out with this bollocks.
It seems if the players aren't running around like headless chickens earning minimum wage, spending their nights out in "Jollees bar" and driving Ford Fiestas like real hard working men, then Stoke fans will come out with this "thinks he's better than he is" bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 12:52:41 GMT
Struggled a bit this season, needs to improve his final decision making same as last year. Probably hits him a bit that even if he plays well he still isn't better than the starting XI unless there's an injury.
He's still only very young though, no point giving up on him.
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