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Nov 1, 2017 17:18:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 17:18:56 GMT
Neither of those players play in his position. Like saying there's no way Shawcross should get a game cause Fletcher and Allen are better options. He was played up top in the first half of this game before he was replaced at half time. He didn't contribute at all to be honest! Apologies, hadn't seen that it was Oct 15! Agree he's not a striker.
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Nov 1, 2017 17:19:50 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 1, 2017 17:19:50 GMT
I agree central striker is not his position but Hughes has played him there so the poster is correct. The point in him playing there is so we have more creativity on the break, which works against top teams (Utd/Arsenal). Hughes is wrong to play him there in other games. For the general point of whether he should be playing, I think his play in the Saints game merited a start, and he's unlucky that Shaq came back quickly, and Choupo is seen to be a bit undroppable. If he plays like he did vs Saints regularly, then Shaq/Jese/Saido would be the best front three for games where we're going to see more of the ball. I didn't think he was any good against Southampton though I only saw the first half on a stream as I was going on holiday on that day. I'm not a fan but tbh but its more his attitude than anything else that pisses me off, always seems like its someone elses fault according to him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 17:22:08 GMT
The point in him playing there is so we have more creativity on the break, which works against top teams (Utd/Arsenal). Hughes is wrong to play him there in other games. For the general point of whether he should be playing, I think his play in the Saints game merited a start, and he's unlucky that Shaq came back quickly, and Choupo is seen to be a bit undroppable. If he plays like he did vs Saints regularly, then Shaq/Jese/Saido would be the best front three for games where we're going to see more of the ball. I didn't think he was any good against Southampton though I only saw the first half on a stream as I was going on holiday on that day. I'm not a fan but tbh but its more his attitude than anything else that pisses me off, always seems like its someone elses fault according to him. I thought he was man of the match in it to be honest. Not seen that attitude myself really, he's played poorly in a few (mostly when up front) but he always seems to track and work for the team.
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Jese?
Nov 1, 2017 17:28:19 GMT
Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 1, 2017 17:28:19 GMT
The point in him playing there is so we have more creativity on the break, which works against top teams (Utd/Arsenal). Hughes is wrong to play him there in other games. For the general point of whether he should be playing, I think his play in the Saints game merited a start, and he's unlucky that Shaq came back quickly, and Choupo is seen to be a bit undroppable. If he plays like he did vs Saints regularly, then Shaq/Jese/Saido would be the best front three for games where we're going to see more of the ball. I didn't think he was any good against Southampton though I only saw the first half on a stream as I was going on holiday on that day. I'm not a fan but tbh but its more his attitude than anything else that pisses me off, always seems like its someone elses fault according to him. Tad rich, Al, after you've blamed everyone from PC, Scholes, the recruitment team, management, coaching staff, players, kit man, tea lady because we don't play pretty enough football and sometimes go long to Crouch as a plan B!
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Nov 1, 2017 17:38:29 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 1, 2017 17:38:29 GMT
I didn't think he was any good against Southampton though I only saw the first half on a stream as I was going on holiday on that day. I'm not a fan but tbh but its more his attitude than anything else that pisses me off, always seems like its someone elses fault according to him. Tad rich, Al, after you've blamed everyone from PC, Scholes, the recruitment team, management, coaching staff, players, kit man, tea lady because we don't play pretty enough football and sometimes go long to Crouch as a plan B! That's not blame that's just personal taste I don't like long ball football and its been a good while since we played any good entertaining attacking football Crouch or not. Just seems like every time he's fucked it up he's always telling one of the other players what they should have done. In the Chelsea game he gave Ramadan dogs abuse for stuff that was his own fault despite the fact he was a young player playing in an unfamiliar position. Its got to the point where its all I see with him to be fair, I've just taken a disliking to him.
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Nov 1, 2017 17:43:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 17:43:14 GMT
He was shopping at Asda Crewe on Monday, think he must have got lost 😂 What on earth was he doing in there? My thoughts exactly.
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Nov 1, 2017 17:46:58 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 17:46:58 GMT
He was shopping at Asda Crewe on Monday, think he must have got lost 😂 What on earth was he doing in there? Giving it the billy big bollocks like alster suggested. Don't know who he thinks he is, shopping in Asda like an actual real member of the public......
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Nov 1, 2017 17:47:53 GMT
Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 1, 2017 17:47:53 GMT
Tad rich, Al, after you've blamed everyone from PC, Scholes, the recruitment team, management, coaching staff, players, kit man, tea lady because we don't play pretty enough football and sometimes go long to Crouch as a plan B! That's not blame that's just personal taste I don't like long ball football and its been a good while since we played any good entertaining attacking football Crouch or not. Just seems like every time he's fucked it up he's always telling one of the other players what they should have done. In the Chelsea game he gave Ramadan dogs abuse for stuff that was his own fault despite the fact he was a young player playing in an unfamiliar position. Its got to the point where its all I see with him to be fair, I've just taken a disliking to him. Sorry Al, I'm only yanking yer chain. He's come from Real Madrid which seems to be a very harsh and sometimes critical environment. From the supporters to Christiano, they don't seem particularly tolerant or patient. Maybe it's hard to shake off. Respect your opinion on long ball, but hopefully we mix it up a bit more. I think we've played OK in patches this season, and of course we've also served up a couple of right dog's dinners. Twas ever thus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 17:49:05 GMT
Tad rich, Al, after you've blamed everyone from PC, Scholes, the recruitment team, management, coaching staff, players, kit man, tea lady because we don't play pretty enough football and sometimes go long to Crouch as a plan B! That's not blame that's just personal taste I don't like long ball football and its been a good while since we played any good entertaining attacking football Crouch or not. Just seems like every time he's fucked it up he's always telling one of the other players what they should have done. In the Chelsea game he gave Ramadan dogs abuse for stuff that was his own fault despite the fact he was a young player playing in an unfamiliar position. Its got to the point where its all I see with him to be fair, I've just taken a disliking to him. How come you've never ever said this before?
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Nov 1, 2017 17:50:10 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 17:50:10 GMT
What on earth was he doing in there? Giving it the billy big bollocks like alster suggested. Don't know who he thinks he is, shopping in Asda like an actual real member of the public...... I just thought it was weird that he ended up in the shit hole that is crewe 😉
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Nov 1, 2017 17:51:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 17:51:39 GMT
Giving it the billy big bollocks like alster suggested. Don't know who he thinks he is, shopping in Asda like an actual real member of the public...... I just thought it was weird that he ended up in the shit hole that is crewe 😉 He must have pulled up and thought "what the fuck has become of me" Joking aside I'm guessing he's still staying at Crewe Hall and ran out of toothpaste or something daft.....
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Nov 1, 2017 20:24:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 20:24:12 GMT
Ah well at least I won't have to get pissed off with him and his billy big bollox attitude on Saturday. Well all is well that ends well. Screw.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 2, 2017 8:27:16 GMT
There's a very good player in there. His reaction to the players around him might not be entirely appropriate but it illustrates the underlying problem - we've got a group of players getting to know how to play together. A good team is better than the sum of its parts - we have some very good parts but the team needs tuning. You can do so much on the training ground but its getting matches under the belt that makes the difference. If the team starts to gel Jese will have less cause to complain. If he's still whinging on a regular basis in the new year we have a problem.
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Nov 2, 2017 8:44:02 GMT
Post by owdestokie on Nov 2, 2017 8:44:02 GMT
There's a very good player in there. His reaction to the players around him might not be entirely appropriate but it illustrates the underlying problem - we've got a group of players getting to know how to play together. A good team is better than the sum of its parts - we have some very good parts but the team needs tuning. You can do so much on the training ground but its getting matches under the belt that makes the difference. If the team starts to gel Jese will have less cause to complain. If he's still whinging on a regular basis in the new year we have a problem. The player turnover (32) in 4 years doesn't provide the foundation for a group of players to gel nor grow into a team
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Nov 2, 2017 8:51:45 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 2, 2017 8:51:45 GMT
There's a very good player in there. His reaction to the players around him might not be entirely appropriate but it illustrates the underlying problem - we've got a group of players getting to know how to play together. A good team is better than the sum of its parts - we have some very good parts but the team needs tuning. You can do so much on the training ground but its getting matches under the belt that makes the difference. If the team starts to gel Jese will have less cause to complain. If he's still whinging on a regular basis in the new year we have a problem. The player turnover (32) in 4 years doesn't provide the foundation for a group of players to gel nor grow into a team Its pretty standard in the modern game for squads to change at that rate I'd say we aren't busy enough on the recruitment front.
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Post by owdestokie on Nov 2, 2017 9:21:32 GMT
The player turnover (32) in 4 years doesn't provide the foundation for a group of players to gel nor grow into a team Its pretty standard in the modern game for squads to change at that rate I'd say we aren't busy enough on the recruitment front. IMHO. We are currently to busy with an inappropriate transfer policy which hasn't to date provided us with a balanced or structured approach to team/squad development. As I said IMHO
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Nov 2, 2017 9:35:31 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 2, 2017 9:35:31 GMT
Its pretty standard in the modern game for squads to change at that rate I'd say we aren't busy enough on the recruitment front. IMHO. We are currently to busy with an inappropriate transfer policy which hasn't to date provided us with a balanced or structured approach to team/squad development. As I said IMHO You're probably comfortable with keeping players well past their prime a policy I'm fundamentally opposed to.
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Nov 2, 2017 9:48:02 GMT
Post by owdestokie on Nov 2, 2017 9:48:02 GMT
IMHO. We are currently to busy with an inappropriate transfer policy which hasn't to date provided us with a balanced or structured approach to team/squad development. As I said IMHO You're probably comfortable with keeping players well past their prime a policy I'm fundamentally opposed to. No i'm not comfortable with keeping players well past their prime, Johnson!!. I'm more comfortable with signings that are quality or have the potential to be quality and that a team/squad can be built upon/around. I'm not comfortable with a revolving door policy which we have played with over the last four years.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2017 10:00:43 GMT
Its pretty standard in the modern game for squads to change at that rate I'd say we aren't busy enough on the recruitment front. IMHO. We are currently to busy with an inappropriate transfer policy which hasn't to date provided us with a balanced or structured approach to team/squad development. As I said IMHO I don't think that's down to turnover though, it's just down to poor recruitment. Every player that left this summer was the correct decision. And there should have been a few more too. The few more and the lack of the replacements for those are where the issues lie.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 2, 2017 10:11:11 GMT
IMHO. We are currently to busy with an inappropriate transfer policy which hasn't to date provided us with a balanced or structured approach to team/squad development. As I said IMHO I don't think that's down to turnover though, it's just down to poor recruitment. Every player that left this summer was the correct decision. And there should have been a few more too. The few more and the lack of the replacements for those are where the issues lie. I think the high turnover is a direct consequence of the poor recruitment policy. Just look at the number of different players he has tried at being our main striker in the past four years (what is it, like 8 or more?), it really is quite remarkable and on top of that, he's still as far away from being settled on one as he's ever been. How many attempts has he had at replacing N'Zonzi? To say that the current issues are down to us having to allow for a new crop of players to gel together, is a bit of a stretch imo.
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Nov 2, 2017 10:23:35 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2017 10:23:35 GMT
I don't think that's down to turnover though, it's just down to poor recruitment. Every player that left this summer was the correct decision. And there should have been a few more too. The few more and the lack of the replacements for those are where the issues lie. I think the high turnover is a direct consequence of the poor recruitment policy. Just look at the number of different players he has tried at being our main striker in the past four years (what is it, like 8 or more?), it really is quite remarkable and on top of that, he's still as far away from being settled on one as he's ever been. How many attempts has he had at replacing N'Zonzi? To say that the current issues are down to us having to allow for a new crop of players to gel together, is a bit of a stretch imo. It is a vicious circle. There's still 3 players in the squad that should be nowhere near a PL squad- Ireland, Adam and Johnson. And that's after a massive clear out and clear out that was definitely needed. The issues lie deep. Hence why I want a lot of change at the top and in the squad.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 2, 2017 10:59:33 GMT
It amazes me that so many people seem to think that all you have to do is wave a cheque book and players will come running. I'm sure Stoke do their level best to sign players we need but you have to ask yourself why would a player want to play for Stoke? The only good reason I can think of is a very responsible ownership and sound management. Not reasons that would appeal to a head strong young player looking to win medals, be a major media focus, and earns loads of money. If you don't think Stoke are soundly run, look at all the clubs that have fallen out of the Prem. since Stoke entered. I live in the north-east and the situation is worse. Newcastle etc. struggle to sign players. Stoke do well to sign quality players the CL clubs don't want. We used to sign Sunderland rejects.
A second issue is signing the players you need. I think Koeman fell into the Hughes habit last summer of signing the players he could get rather than those he needed.
Then there is the issue of cost. Stoke clearly don't want to destroy their existing wage structure and create an unsettled camp. I also believe they do not yield to extortionate demands by agents looking to fill their pockets. So some deals are just not going to happen on principles as well as policies. The club have shown time and again they are prepared to back Hughes and break the transfer record, or spend big for a 4th CB, for example.
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Nov 2, 2017 11:02:25 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 2, 2017 11:02:25 GMT
You're probably comfortable with keeping players well past their prime a policy I'm fundamentally opposed to. No i'm not comfortable with keeping players well past their prime, Johnson!!. I'm more comfortable with signings that are quality or have the potential to be quality and that a team/squad can be built upon/around. I'm not comfortable with a revolving door policy which we have played with over the last four years. I think the numbers could work well but some of the players we have don't. If we could create the nucleus of a 21/22 man squad to allow spaces for a cycle of ongoing punts on players who might be ready for the step up right away. That leaves room for the odd marquee buy as players from the nucleus leave or begin to fade and you've still got the younger age group players who don't even have to be named to work with too. Our problem is we carry too much baggage, players on the books who's careers are heading in the wrong direction on long contracts on big wages. Punts who are on shorter contracts and much less money because they're hungry for their chance in the Prem would be much easier to shift if they don't make the grade. This could look like a revolving door policy but still result in a far more settled team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2017 11:04:27 GMT
It amazes me that so many people seem to think that all you have to do is wave a cheque book and players will come running. I'm sure Stoke do their level best to sign players we need but you have to ask yourself why would a player want to play for Stoke? The only good reason I can think of is a very responsible ownership and sound management. Not reasons that would appeal to a head strong young player looking to win medals, be a major media focus, and earns loads of money. If you don't think Stoke are soundly run, look at all the clubs that have fallen out of the Prem. since Stoke entered. I live in the north-east and the situation is worse. Newcastle etc. struggle to sign players. Stoke do well to sign quality players the CL clubs don't want. We used to sign Sunderland rejects. A second issue is signing the players you need. I think Koeman fell into the Hughes habit last summer of signing the players he could get rather than those he needed. Then there is the issue of cost. Stoke clearly don't want to destroy their existing wage structure and create an unsettled camp. I also believe they do not yield to extortionate demands by agents looking to fill their pockets. So some deals are just not going to happen on principles as well as policies. The club have shown time and again they are prepared to back Hughes and break the transfer record, or spend big for a 4th CB, for example. Money, location, Premier League. And if we can't sell ourselves as a stepping stone to better things then they should give up. Hughes hasn't signed a quality central midfielder of the ilk we need for two seasons, he's tried and failed. And then you're telling me that our only two options for a central midfielder were Lemina and then Delph? There's a whole world of football out there and it seemed like Delph or no one. That's poor. We had an unsettled camp last year. That was part of the problem. And some of the ones you wouldn't expect it from are the worse apparently (Joselu being at the top of the pile). We have a transfer team that fish from a mightily small pool, that's not good practice. Again, spending big for the 4th CB was a crazy decision and showed poor planning. We were crying out for a full back or two or a central midfielder and we spent it on another sodding CB!
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Nov 2, 2017 12:01:31 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 2, 2017 12:01:31 GMT
It amazes me that so many people seem to think that all you have to do is wave a cheque book and players will come running. I'm sure Stoke do their level best to sign players we need but you have to ask yourself why would a player want to play for Stoke? The only good reason I can think of is a very responsible ownership and sound management. Not reasons that would appeal to a head strong young player looking to win medals, be a major media focus, and earns loads of money. If you don't think Stoke are soundly run, look at all the clubs that have fallen out of the Prem. since Stoke entered. I live in the north-east and the situation is worse. Newcastle etc. struggle to sign players. Stoke do well to sign quality players the CL clubs don't want. We used to sign Sunderland rejects. A second issue is signing the players you need. I think Koeman fell into the Hughes habit last summer of signing the players he could get rather than those he needed. Then there is the issue of cost. Stoke clearly don't want to destroy their existing wage structure and create an unsettled camp. I also believe they do not yield to extortionate demands by agents looking to fill their pockets. So some deals are just not going to happen on principles as well as policies. The club have shown time and again they are prepared to back Hughes and break the transfer record, or spend big for a 4th CB, for example. Money, location, Premier League. And if we can't sell ourselves as a stepping stone to better things then they should give up. Hughes hasn't signed a quality central midfielder of the ilk we need for two seasons, he's tried and failed. And then you're telling me that our only two options for a central midfielder were Lemina and then Delph? There's a whole world of football out there and it seemed like Delph or no one. That's poor. We had an unsettled camp last year. That was part of the problem. And some of the ones you wouldn't expect it from are the worse apparently (Joselu being at the top of the pile). We have a transfer team that fish from a mightily small pool, that's not good practice. Again, spending big for the 4th CB was a crazy decision and showed poor planning. We were crying out for a full back or two or a central midfielder and we spent it on another sodding CB! Given the unforeseen injuries to CBs you are right about the 4th. We needed a 5th. Getting the players you need really isn't that easy. Any fool can buy random players to fill gaps for the sake of it. If you want to know where that gets you look at Everton who on the basis of last year were a far bigger draw than us in the transfer market and spent big.
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Nov 2, 2017 12:11:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 12:11:56 GMT
He was shopping at Asda Crewe on Monday, think he must have got lost 😂 Probably wondered what the hell happened to his life!
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Nov 2, 2017 12:30:20 GMT
Post by kustokie on Nov 2, 2017 12:30:20 GMT
Tad rich, Al, after you've blamed everyone from PC, Scholes, the recruitment team, management, coaching staff, players, kit man, tea lady because we don't play pretty enough football and sometimes go long to Crouch as a plan B! That's not blame that's just personal taste I don't like long ball football and its been a good while since we played any good entertaining attacking football Crouch or not. Just seems like every time he's fucked it up he's always telling one of the other players what they should have done. In the Chelsea game he gave Ramadan dogs abuse for stuff that was his own fault despite the fact he was a young player playing in an unfamiliar position. Its got to the point where its all I see with him to be fair, I've just taken a disliking to him. So which do you prefer a) long ball, goals, mid-table finish, FA Cup Final or b) pretty neat triangles, no goals, relegation, elimination in the 3rd round? I’ll go with option a.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2017 12:34:18 GMT
Money, location, Premier League. And if we can't sell ourselves as a stepping stone to better things then they should give up. Hughes hasn't signed a quality central midfielder of the ilk we need for two seasons, he's tried and failed. And then you're telling me that our only two options for a central midfielder were Lemina and then Delph? There's a whole world of football out there and it seemed like Delph or no one. That's poor. We had an unsettled camp last year. That was part of the problem. And some of the ones you wouldn't expect it from are the worse apparently (Joselu being at the top of the pile). We have a transfer team that fish from a mightily small pool, that's not good practice. Again, spending big for the 4th CB was a crazy decision and showed poor planning. We were crying out for a full back or two or a central midfielder and we spent it on another sodding CB! Given the unforeseen injuries to CBs you are right about the 4th. We needed a 5th. Getting the players you need really isn't that easy. Any fool can buy random players to fill gaps for the sake of it. If you want to know where that gets you look at Everton who on the basis of last year were a far bigger draw than us in the transfer market and spent big. You've literally described what we have been doing for the past 3 years.
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Nov 2, 2017 13:44:27 GMT
Post by alster on Nov 2, 2017 13:44:27 GMT
That's not blame that's just personal taste I don't like long ball football and its been a good while since we played any good entertaining attacking football Crouch or not. Just seems like every time he's fucked it up he's always telling one of the other players what they should have done. In the Chelsea game he gave Ramadan dogs abuse for stuff that was his own fault despite the fact he was a young player playing in an unfamiliar position. Its got to the point where its all I see with him to be fair, I've just taken a disliking to him. So which do you prefer a) long ball, goals, mid-table finish, FA Cup Final or b) pretty neat triangles, no goals, relegation, elimination in the 3rd round? I’ll go with option a. The choice does't exist. Its just some crap people dream up as an excuse for playing shit football.
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 2, 2017 13:49:52 GMT
He was shopping at Asda Crewe on Monday, think he must have got lost 😂 What on earth was he doing in there? Doing his shopping, I'd imagine
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