Jese?

[The Toxic Avenger]

Sept 24, 2017 13:32:47 GMT essexstokey said:

Sept 24, 2017 13:23:09 GMT The Toxic Avenger said:

Where do you play him though? He's not a centre forward and he doesn't warrant a place ahead of Choupo or Shaq.

Ive just said on the choupo thread if we are playing the 3 of them then we use them as interchanging players ie rotating causing the defence problems as they target weaknesses in the opposition all 3 can score all 3 can pass and all 3 have skill to upset the defence of the opposition by moving it around getting there players out of position. you can then bring into this the fact that our other forwards can then come on and take advantage of a worn out disorganised defence that has been worn ragged

That's what we've been doing though and it's not working.

[robwahlmann]

I don't think we'll have to pay a very large fee for him after the season, but I'm more unsure about us wanting him.

[stokie1954]

Probably best if he stuck with his singing career. Another Hughes duffer!.

[Scrotnig]

Sept 24, 2017 12:29:31 GMT kustokie said:

Sept 24, 2017 11:54:56 GMT thegift said:

Oh come on mate tell me one thing I've said in that post that isn't true?

Bojan was our best player until his ACL injury.

And I said at the time he'd never be the same again and we should sell him as soon as he was fit. I was ridiculed.

[skip]

Sept 24, 2017 13:16:13 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 24, 2017 12:46:45 GMT skip said:

My thoughts exactly.

What if we've offered it and he's said no?

Also this isn't a new issue, his son has been ill for a while. You'd have hoped we would have known when we signed him.

His son may get worse, or simply, he misses and worries about him more. I loved his quote on Instagram that he will run more and score more for his boy, but, man, it must be so tough on his ability to prepare for a game and focus thereafter.

[Scrotnig]

Sept 24, 2017 10:28:38 GMT ElworthPotter said:

Sept 24, 2017 10:10:46 GMT essexstokey said:

There is a simple solution to it if he wants to do both and stoke support him in this let him play his hart out for the first 60/70 min then sub him have a taxi waiting outside the ground to take him directly to the airport so avoiding the crush leaving the ground gets him back to his son quicker and all benefit. also while he is at home arrange with his nearest club to allow him to train and use there fitness facilities even if stoke pay them its a win win for all! and hopefully at the end of the season he will be our player and his son will be better and PSG and stoke make his move permanent and because of this little bit of compassion he will be a great asset to the club.

Would you want us to sign him on a permanent based on what you've seen so far?

Yes. He has shown promise.

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 24, 2017 14:12:22 GMT skip said:

Sept 24, 2017 13:16:13 GMT bayernoatcake said:

What if we've offered it and he's said no?

Also this isn't a new issue, his son has been ill for a while. You'd have hoped we would have known when we signed him.

His son may get worse, or simply, he misses and worries about him more. I loved his quote on Instagram that he will run more and score more for his boy, but, man, it must be so tough on his ability to prepare for a game and focus thereafter.

Oh I completely agree.

But it's where the manager has to have the bollocks to send him back to Spain for two weeks or whatever.

I don't think it is affecting him and that's not to be callous, I just think he looks like a player struggling to get back from injury which is exactly what he is.

But this won't help and sometimes the decisions have to be taken out of the players hands.

I can't believe we haven't offered him compassionate leave so that's why I think that it's his decision. And good on him for that but it's going to be hard. It's a tough situation but I really do think we should take the decision off him. For his and our good.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Sept 24, 2017 14:21:03 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 24, 2017 14:12:22 GMT skip said:

His son may get worse, or simply, he misses and worries about him more. I loved his quote on Instagram that he will run more and score more for his boy, but, man, it must be so tough on his ability to prepare for a game and focus thereafter.

Oh I completely agree.

But it's where the manager has to have the bollocks to send him back to Spain for two weeks or whatever.

I don't think it is affecting him and that's not to be callous, I just think he looks like a player struggling to get back from injury which is exactly what he is.

But this won't help and sometimes the decisions have to be taken out of the players hands.

I can't believe we haven't offered him compassionate leave so that's why I think that it's his decision. And good on him for that but it's going to be hard. It's a tough situation but I really do think we should take the decision off him. For his and our good.

All very commendable and compassionate but he's been crap for  2 years and we knew his domestic situation when he signed a desperate roll of the dice by a clueless transfer team and a naive approach to the whole window 

[skip]

Sept 24, 2017 14:21:03 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 24, 2017 14:12:22 GMT skip said:

His son may get worse, or simply, he misses and worries about him more. I loved his quote on Instagram that he will run more and score more for his boy, but, man, it must be so tough on his ability to prepare for a game and focus thereafter.

Oh I completely agree.

But it's where the manager has to have the bollocks to send him back to Spain for two weeks or whatever.

I don't think it is affecting him and that's not to be callous, I just think he looks like a player struggling to get back from injury which is exactly what he is.

But this won't help and sometimes the decisions have to be taken out of the players hands.

I can't believe we haven't offered him compassionate leave so that's why I think that it's his decision. And good on him for that but it's going to be hard. It's a tough situation but I really do think we should take the decision off him. For his and our good.

I can see that too.

[superheroantonius]

We need some pace and aerial threat up top, but hughes is adamant come hell or high water it won't be diouf.

I personally think if Hughes can't find someone with diouf's pace and aerial threat but more quality on the ball... Then he should just pick diouf up top.

But for some reason he won't do that and instead we will have Jesse and all sorts bar diouf up top.

Madness... If he can sign a better footballer with diouf's pace and aerial threat then sign him. And if he can't just play diouf up there

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Sept 24, 2017 14:07:03 GMT stokie1954 said:

Probably best if he stuck with his singing career. Another Hughes duffer!.

I saw real talent in him.

Strange what different "supporters" see.

[terryconroysmagic]

Sept 27, 2017 15:24:56 GMT @oldstoke said:

Sept 24, 2017 14:07:03 GMT stokie1954 said:

Probably best if he stuck with his singing career. Another Hughes duffer!.

I saw real talent in him.

Strange what different "supporters" see.

Same for me Oldstoke, he hasn't been great in the last couple of games but I think he'll come good again

[robwahlmann]

Sept 27, 2017 15:24:56 GMT @oldstoke said:

Sept 24, 2017 14:07:03 GMT stokie1954 said:

Probably best if he stuck with his singing career. Another Hughes duffer!.

I saw real talent in him.

Strange what different "supporters" see.

I can also see the talent in Imbula, who by the way scored in first full game for us!

[wearepremierleague]

Bar the Arsenal game, He's been beyond useless if we're being honest

[lordb]

Sept 27, 2017 15:56:54 GMT wearepremierleague said:

Bar the Arsenal game, He's been beyond useless if we're being honest

Seen enough to see he is very talented.
Even in his subsequent games his off the ball movement is miles better than most of our players.

Clearly not fit, clearly has huge issue at home.
Settling into new country e.t.c

I do think a break might be in order.

[Cast no shadow]

He’ll bag 2 this weekend

[CBUFAWKIPWH]

For me worth persevering with. There have been glimpses of a top class player, he looks like he's trying and, unlike Bojan post injury, I've not seen him ducking out of tackles. He's still getting up to full match fitness, adjusting to a new team in a new country and has issues at home. Cut the lad some slack - if he comes off we have the bargain of the decade (even if only for one season) and if he doesn't what have we lost?

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Sept 27, 2017 15:56:54 GMT wearepremierleague said:

Bar the Arsenal game, He's been beyond useless if we're being honest

He has, at times, but we've failed to play at his strengths. He's tried to fit in by tracking back more often than the snake ever did without prompting, but he's no defender.

[19notbeaten72]

Can,t see that he will bring any more to us than what we already have Diouf would have given Chelsea more problems last saturday playing up front.
To be honest i did not see much at all from Jese against Chelsea but then again he did not get much service & that is even more of a problem when we play a loan striker.

[superheroantonius]

I am sorry but I yawn when strikers start blaming lack of service.

Look at hernadez at west ham.
West ham are not as good as man city and he's not going to score as many goals as aguero.
But he is going to be buzzing around and sniffing around from the first minute to the last. He's going to follow in every shot incase the keeper spills it or it comes back off the woodwork. He's going to move intuitively to where he senses a chance at every corner kick, free kick and throw in.

That's what proper strikers do

That's what we need.

[cheekymatt71]

I think he can succeed for sure. But Stoke is becoming a real graveyard for strikers.

We still haven't replaced Mark Stein in over 20 years for proper goalscorers

[PotterLog]

Sept 27, 2017 18:16:14 GMT superheroantonius said:

I am sorry but I yawn when strikers start blaming lack of service.

Look at hernadez at west ham.
West ham are not as good as man city and he's not going to score as many goals as aguero.
But he is going to be buzzing around and sniffing around from the first minute to the last. He's going to follow in every shot incase the keeper spills it or it comes back off the woodwork. He's going to move intuitively to where he senses a chance at every corner kick, free kick and throw in.

That's what proper strikers do

That's what we need.

Not really.. that's a description of part of what a certain type of striker does (somewhat ironically it's quite a fitting description of a certain right wing back of ours, but that's another story). It's nowhere near enough on it's own if the rest of the team aren't effectively working the ball into attacking areas where any particular striker can thrive.

[lordb]

Sept 27, 2017 19:48:56 GMT cheekymatt71 said:

I think he can succeed for sure. But Stoke is becoming a real graveyard for strikers.

We still haven't replaced Mark Stein in over 20 years for proper goalscorers

Thorne.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Very difficult personal circumstances but harshly more relevant to his football career , is his injury means he just won't hack this league , cancel his loan would be best for all parties .

[JoeinOz]

Overall few could deny he has been off the pace so far. However, wouldn't it be fantastic if he got fit and right and scored some bloody goals. Sing his name and encourage him, it won't do any harm at all.

One point to make though is he did score the winner against them so he should always be remembered with fondness! 😀

[Bick]

Reminds me of Berahino last year, off the pace due to poor fitness and lack of recent matches.

Unfortunately, like Saido, the more poor games he has, the less confidence he has and it will get worse.

[s7oke]

Sept 27, 2017 20:47:54 GMT lordb said:

Sept 27, 2017 19:48:56 GMT cheekymatt71 said:

I think he can succeed for sure. But Stoke is becoming a real graveyard for strikers.

We still haven't replaced Mark Stein in over 20 years for proper goalscorers

Thorne.

Sheron wanna bad either

[Dresden_scfc]

Ffs give the him a chance!needs more games yet bet a lot thought the same about chupo until the united game!

[Rick Grimes]

He clearly needs to work on his fitness and his personal problems won't be helping things either. There's been flashes of a good player in there but barring the Arsenal performance and that chance that De Gea stopped with a world class save he's been largely anonymous.

[adamsson]

Only seen the home games but they haven't been that bad

V Arsenal scored winning goal
V ManU forced truly outstanding save
V Chelsea didn't get a shot on target but got into good positions.

weak opponents it's true but early days yet