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Post by hanibal7 on Sept 25, 2017 4:23:06 GMT
Assuming Bruno is out injured and Hughes keeps his 3 at the back. Butland Zouma Shawcross Wimmer Diouf Fletcher Allen Pieters Shaq Crouch Choupo I'd very surprised (although delighted) if Ryan is back for this one. Wimmer is not 100% either I think we could be looking at Johnson and Pieters in the back 3 again - gulp! Just hope we can find our goal scoring touch - struggle to see us keeping a clean sheet
Cameron??? Bruno???, negative talk
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 4:28:27 GMT
Butland
Edwards Zouma Shawcross Pieters
Shaq Fletcher Allen Choupo
Crouch Diouf
We need to attack the box in numbers not just have one person waiting for the perfect ball to find him while being marked by 4 defenders and a midfielder.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 25, 2017 8:28:33 GMT
Butland Edwards Zouma Shawcross Pieters Shaq Fletcher Allen Choupo Crouch Diouf We need to attack the box in numbers not just have one person waiting for the perfect ball to find him while being marked by 4 defenders and a midfielder. I think there's a lot of truth in that. I've been asking for that front two for a while as well. Based on form(horrible personal circumstances aside) Jese wouldn't be playing. I, personally, prefer 3-5-2, but I definitely agree on using more width and a front two.
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Post by wrighter on Sept 25, 2017 8:42:05 GMT
Crouchy always scores against this shower of shit God, i hate Southampto
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 25, 2017 9:21:24 GMT
Butland Ramadan Zouma Ryan BMI Pieters Allen Fletcher Shaq Diouf Choupo Edit - Hughes won't do this but that's what I'd go for provided all are fit Ramadan really?! I thought he was awful today He shouldn't have been played on the left, he's right footed, if we had someone there that had a left foot they would have been able to put the ball in quicker as there was a few times it was played early too him but naturally onto his left, it was a poor decision to play him there.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 25, 2017 16:58:13 GMT
Before Shawcross was injured I thought our 3 4 3 worked just fine, but without him this system hasn't worked that well for us. Well, we weren't too bad against United, but still conceded two goals and gave away a glorious chance for Lukaku at 2-2. I also think Diouf has given us a new dimension with his good runs out wide, but also when cutting into the box. I would seriously ponder about playing him as our right back even if we reverted back to 4 2 4 too. If Shawcross, Zouma and one of Indi (preferred) and Wimmer are fit for the Shampton game I think I would still play 3 at the back. For me it's very much about who are fit and not for this game.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 25, 2017 17:15:44 GMT
So much depends on how the walking wounded do in training this week. Rumours are Ryan and Geoff may return, as well as Zouma of course, and we can, therefore, play three decent centre backs once again (who started the season as a trio in good form). That still leaves the lack of goals and the failure to play a natural striker. To my mind, and many others on here, Diouf is wasted at wing back - he is our only pacey, physical striker, and the best of an admittedly average bunch, who misses a few, but at least gets into the positions to do so. His goal return in his first season at Stoke, 12 in 38 games, deserved to be followed up by a prolonged stint as our first choice striker. It never happened for a few reasons, but he should be given the chance right now, ahead of an ageing Crouch, Berahino, short on confidence and form, and Jese, a left sided attacking midfielder shoe-horned into a role that does not suit him.
Instead of Diouf, I would try Ramadan on the right. He is big and physical enough, does not mind a tackle, yet has plenty of skill on the ball to add to our attacking thrust from wide. On the right he will be on his natural side to swing in crosses too, to a striker in Diouf who has a decent leap and is a good header of the ball, as well as Choupo coming in from the left who also seems adept in the air (hello, Phil Jones!!). Butland
Zouma Shawcross Cameron
Ramadan Fletcher Allen Pieters
Shaqiri Diouf Choupo-Moting
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 25, 2017 17:31:11 GMT
I think 4 at the back gives us a better chance of getting our best 11 on the field.
Butland
Zouma RB The 2 Cbs who are fittest (Ryan and Bruno?wimmer/ GCam) Erik
Fletch Allen
Ramadan Shaq Choups
Diouf
Hughes will go 3-4-3 with Diouf at RWB and Erik LWB and Choups, Jese and Shaq as the front 3.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 17:40:58 GMT
I want more power in midfield. Fletcher and Allen are too lightweight. If Hughes wants to persist with three at the back then Pieters is more than capable of filling in which makes the 18 million pound signing of Wimmer even more ridiculous, especially as Gibbs was available and he could have played as a wing back. Assuming everyone is fit I'd go. 1 Jack 2 GCam 3 Erik 4 Zouma 5 Ryan 6 Wimmer 7 Fletcher 8 Shaq 9 Diouf 10 Choupo 11 Ramadan
4-2-3-1 Zouma and Fletcher in midfield
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 25, 2017 20:18:24 GMT
Crouchy always scores against this shower of shit God, i hate Southampto Notwithstanding the Crouch Cup sending off job. Let's hope he calms down from saturday for his cameo. I can't be complacent against Saints... they've been awkward opponents, Arnie sending off and that. Different proposition if Djick VanDyke's back in. Though they don't seem to be the footballing force they've been {in patches}, struggling to score at home at least. Van man changesa that from a corner etc. {Fingers crossed Ryan's back, otherwise Zouma in the middle}. It's kind of a Bellweather match kind of thing. Going into it with nowt other than a nil niller in me expectations.
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Post by jordan9915 on Sept 25, 2017 20:36:49 GMT
The team id like to see (not going to happen by the way) Butland Edwards. zomoua shawcross tymon fletcher Allen Ramadan shaq choupo Diouf
Grant Bmi Pierters Cameron Jese Crouch Berahino
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 26, 2017 11:18:19 GMT
Butland
Edwards Zouma Cameron Pieters
Fletcher Allen
Choupo Shaqiri Sobhi
Diouf
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 26, 2017 11:28:03 GMT
It's a bit Groundhog Day with Ryan. Do you really think Edwards will come in, Grapey?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 26, 2017 11:36:11 GMT
It's a bit Groundhog Day with Ryan. Do you really think Edwards will come in, Grapey? If the alternative is: Zouma-Cameron-Pieters Diouf-Fletcher-Allen-Ramadan I think he probably should. Not ideal, but he's got to be better than Johnson if we're going with a back 4. He seems very wedded to this 3-4-3 though, so no doubt he'll muddle through with it.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 26, 2017 11:42:43 GMT
It's another bodge though.
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Post by cooper67 on Sept 26, 2017 12:01:41 GMT
Isn't Edwards injured?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 26, 2017 12:11:33 GMT
He was said to be have been "nursing a minor injury" for a few weeks, but seems to have been fit enough to be in the matchday squad last weekend, even though he didn't make the final 18
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Post by westgatelakes on Sept 26, 2017 12:21:50 GMT
Everyone seems to be pushing Edward`s name forward these days - has anyone seen him play cos I certainly haven`t ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 26, 2017 12:27:13 GMT
Everyone seems to be pushing Edward`s name forward these days - has anyone seen him play cos I certainly haven`t ? Think most people have just seen him in the 2 FA Youth Cup semis against Man City, where he was our best player by a country mile. He's clearly not really ready, just like Tymon is not ready, but if it's a choice between Johnson or him in a back 4, it may be the lesser of two evils. But it's probably a moot point anyway with a back three of Cameron/Zouma/Pieters and Diouf and Ramadan/Tymon at wing-back the way he'll go. At least with Edwards playing in a back 4 though, everyone would be in their favoured position, which would be a start.
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Post by westgatelakes on Sept 26, 2017 12:36:17 GMT
Thanks for that FM but I feel that we should stick with 343 when we can as it seems to me to be working fairly well so far.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 26, 2017 12:49:14 GMT
Everyone seems to be pushing Edward`s name forward these days - has anyone seen him play cos I certainly haven`t ? Think most people have just seen him in the 2 FA Youth Cup semis against Man City, where he was our best player by a country mile. He's clearly not really ready, just like Tymon is not ready, but if it's a choice between Johnson or him in a back 4, it may be the lesser of two evils. But it's probably a moot point anyway with a back three of Cameron/Zouma/Pieters and Diouf and Ramadan/Tymon at wing-back the way he'll go. At least with Edwards playing in a back 4 though, everyone would be in their favoured position, which would be a start. Hughes will go with 3-4-3 again, with the personnel you suggest, although with Zouma right, Geoff middle, Erik left I would imagine. I hope he gives Tymon a game as Ramadan seems uncomfortable out there. Personally I'd try Ramadan ar right wing back and put Diouf back where he belongs up front, but Hughes, for some unknown reason, seems to have discounted playing him in his favoured position these days.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 26, 2017 13:04:51 GMT
Tymon didn't look comfortable against Bristol City last week though, not that anyone did really.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 26, 2017 13:12:39 GMT
Tymon didn't look comfortable against Bristol City last week though, not that anyone did really. But surely the only way he will start to look comfortable in the first team is by playing him? A run of games is needed to bed in a player, so if this applies to the likes of Wimmer, an established international, why should it not apply to a youngster? Hughes needs to start to trust youth a bit more, starting with Ramadan and Tymon, and spreading to Edwards, Verlinden and Ngoy. They are the future of the club, not Johnson, Crouch and Adam.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 26, 2017 13:33:38 GMT
...............Butland................ ......Zouma....Cameron....Wimmer...... Diouf....Fletcher....Allen.....Pieters ....Shaq.......Crouch.....Chapou...... With Shawcross and Indi out this might be close to our team on Saturday. Hopefully Crouch will start up front too as I still think he will give us the best goal-return over a season. Will give Wimmer another start, but patience is dropping for every game now!
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 26, 2017 13:35:02 GMT
...............Butland................ ......Zouma....Cameron....Wimmer...... Diouf....Fletcher....Allen.....Pieters ....Shaq.......Crouch.....Chapou...... With Shawcross and Indi out this might be close to our team on Saturday. Hopefully Crouch will start up front too as I still think he will give us the best goal-return over a season. Will give Wimmer another start, but patience is dropping for every game now! Wimmer is almost certainly out of this game too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 14:08:52 GMT
...............Butland................ ......Zouma....Cameron....Pieters...... Diouf....Fletcher....Allen.......Tymon... ....Shaq.......Berahino.....Choupo...... Can see him starting Ramadan though at wing back against these. We've struggled attacking wise against teams below or around us and I reckon Hughes thinks having ramadan at wing back could help. Saido has to start up top for me. We have enough creativity behind him in shaq/Choupo and the wing backs to create chances against these (i.e. not a top 4 team), and we need a focal point to keep his position up front and finish. And before people come with 'he's not a lone striker', I say for one, he is, he's plenty strong enough and good on the ball to play that role. Not to mention every time we've played 442 etc, this season and last, both the team and Saido were shite. Add on to that, the 343 sets up for 3 strikers up front, the width from Diouf and the left wing back gives Shaq and Choupo license to come inside and act as strikers or at least number tens. So even if you don't think he is a lone striker, he won't be playing as one anyway
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 26, 2017 15:16:24 GMT
...............Butland................ ......Zouma....Cameron....Wimmer...... Diouf....Fletcher....Allen.....Pieters ....Shaq.......Crouch.....Chapou...... With Shawcross and Indi out this might be close to our team on Saturday. Hopefully Crouch will start up front too as I still think he will give us the best goal-return over a season. Will give Wimmer another start, but patience is dropping for every game now! Wimmer is almost certainly out of this game too. If so I would move Pieter into the back three to replace Wimmer (which will make us stronger in this position in my opinion) and go for Ramadan or Tymon at left wing back. Think I might give Tymon a go actually, but give him clear instructions that his defensive duties are more important than anything else!
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 26, 2017 18:53:47 GMT
Butland Edwards Zouma Cameron Pieters Fletcher Allen Choupo Shaqiri Sobhi Diouf Shawcross out with a totally unrelated back injury that will only keep him out for a week...
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Post by WhyDelilah on Sept 26, 2017 19:02:39 GMT
Hughes would play Crouch, and then my Nan, before he'd give a youngster a chance at the back. That much became apparent at the weekend when every bastard was injured and the likes of Edwards, Tymon and Souttar still didn't get a single minute of action between them.
As for Shawcross, I reckon he's shot.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 26, 2017 23:03:55 GMT
The injury issue with Ryan is very worrying. I'd put money on a continued stalling on his return and then the need for another op. If Zouma and Geoff are the only fit 2 I'd go back to a 4231 with
Jack
Edwards GCam Zouma Eric
Joe Fletch
Jesé Shaq Choupa
Diouf
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