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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 24, 2017 21:45:10 GMT
Blimey is that us now then. Jesus. I reckon it is yes. Jesus. Virtually a job for life for some fucker then. May as well appoint a manager and wait until he either dies or relegates us, that's seemingly the new success measure of this club for some fans!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 21:49:52 GMT
I can't see Coates family or Bet365, or whoever throwing us to the sharks.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 24, 2017 21:55:10 GMT
Can't see the Coates selling but I could envisage a Southampton scenario where the Club is manouvered into a position where a minority/sleeping foreign investment happens. 49% or such. When st Peter steps aside. Our business/sponsorship model is too one dimensional and tied to 365. That'll change no doubt going forwards. There is a forseeable future for us, unlike many clubs. Doesn't the stadium itself belong to a specific and separate company? So if the club was sold, a Coventry FC situation couldn't happen? I have no doubts that that situation could be "got round" if required. Not sure of the intricacies pt. I don't think we'll sell but hopefully by not having loads of debt so it's not a rescue situ it'd attract the 'right' kind of non-majority investment, a bit like Soton rather than a Tan (cardiff). Could be healthy to diversify income streams etc.
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 25, 2017 3:29:24 GMT
Hughes out. End of.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 25, 2017 7:08:30 GMT
So all the blame for the Hughes QPR disaster was down to the owner , big money signings that were not up to the job, bringing in players who the manager has no idea how to get the best from sound familiar. qpr needed a rid out where mh went wrong there is bringing in too many new players too soon. something which he quite happily admits. but dont let that stop your agenda They needed a bigger rid out when they sacked him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 7:51:43 GMT
Jesus. Virtually a job for life for some fucker then. May as well appoint a manager and wait until he either dies or relegates us, that's seemingly the new success measure of this club for some fans! "some fans" ? Are you insinuating that I agree with it, assuming my take on it is correct?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2017 7:59:11 GMT
Jesus. Virtually a job for life for some fucker then. May as well appoint a manager and wait until he either dies or relegates us, that's seemingly the new success measure of this club for some fans! "some fans" ? Are you insinuating that I agree with it, assuming my take on it is correct? I can't see how you can be correct or Tone would still be here!
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Post by pyrus on Sept 25, 2017 8:23:02 GMT
Why? Beginning of. I accept that all managers get sacked sooner or later (notwithstanding the occasional Ferguson type of manager). But surely the sack is a really serious state of affairs defined (in no particular order) by: Relegation threat Players walking out because of the manager Gross misconduct There are other situations where replacing the manager seems to happen Not making progress / sliding season on season (The Pulis scenario) A better candidate becomes available (The Man City scenario) Style of football (Pulis again) Fan power (Pulis again) So taking stock, since Hughes has come in, by common assent he has improved the standard of football, has improved our league position (in three years out of four - certainly it has not got worse); has brought in better players; has presided over better attendances (even before the new corner); has bought and sold well. What has he done that Warrants the sack?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 25, 2017 8:57:00 GMT
Why? Beginning of. I accept that all managers get sacked sooner or later (notwithstanding the occasional Ferguson type of manager). But surely the sack is a really serious state of affairs defined (in no particular order) by: Relegation threat Players walking out because of the manager Gross misconduct There are other situations where replacing the manager seems to happen Not making progress / sliding season on season (The Pulis scenario) A better candidate becomes available (The Man City scenario) Style of football (Pulis again) Fan power (Pulis again) So taking stock, since Hughes has come in, by common assent he has improved the standard of football, has improved our league position (in three years out of four - certainly it has not got worse); has brought in better players; has presided over better attendances (even before the new corner); has bought and sold well. What has he done that Warrants the sack? Bought well you say! really apart from Arnie, Grant, BMI and periodically Shaq the others have been overall fairly disappointing and some have already been moved out, transfer business outgoing apart from Arnie has been a joke we still haven't replaced Zonz.
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Post by mrred on Sept 25, 2017 9:36:45 GMT
Why? Beginning of. I accept that all managers get sacked sooner or later (notwithstanding the occasional Ferguson type of manager). But surely the sack is a really serious state of affairs defined (in no particular order) by: Relegation threat Players walking out because of the manager Gross misconduct There are other situations where replacing the manager seems to happen Not making progress / sliding season on season (The Pulis scenario) A better candidate becomes available (The Man City scenario) Style of football (Pulis again) Fan power (Pulis again) So taking stock, since Hughes has come in, by common assent he has improved the standard of football, has improved our league position (in three years out of four - certainly it has not got worse); has brought in better players; has presided over better attendances (even before the new corner); has bought and sold well. What has he done that Warrants the sack? He should have gone last season after the absolute dog shit football since January 2016, the fluffing of big money signings, the reliance of the old guard, the lack of youth players being utilised or tried, the Cup exit against Wolves. Up to last week he seemed to have learned most of his lessons and most people are back onboard. But he's a lucky boy after the last 1 1/2 seasons.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 25, 2017 9:49:29 GMT
Ashamed to say that some of our lot are turning/have turned into complete tossers. Call yourselves Stoke fans. Pfffft.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 25, 2017 9:56:09 GMT
Why? Beginning of. I accept that all managers get sacked sooner or later (notwithstanding the occasional Ferguson type of manager). But surely the sack is a really serious state of affairs defined (in no particular order) by: Relegation threat Players walking out because of the manager Gross misconduct There are other situations where replacing the manager seems to happen Not making progress / sliding season on season (The Pulis scenario) A better candidate becomes available (The Man City scenario) Style of football (Pulis again) Fan power (Pulis again) So taking stock, since Hughes has come in, by common assent he has improved the standard of football, has improved our league position (in three years out of four - certainly it has not got worse); has brought in better players; has presided over better attendances (even before the new corner); has bought and sold well. What has he done that Warrants the sack? He should have gone last season after the absolute dog shit football since January 2016, the fluffing of big money signings, the reliance of the old guard, the lack of youth players being utilised or tried, the Cup exit against Wolves. Up to last week he seemed to have learned most of his lessons and most people are back onboard. But he's a lucky boy after the last 1 1/2 seasons. I was challenged with numerous questions after one of my posts last week end which I replied to; I have a few for you: 1. At what point after Jan 16 did you decide he should be sacked? 2. What were the big money signings he should have made? Are you sure he didn't try? 3. What is the problem with relying on the old guard if they got us back up to 2 points less than 8th place? 4. Which youngsters would you have in the side, replacing who? 5. You seem to have relented after just 5 matches, but then changed your mind again after the last 3, are you my wife? 6. Who do you think should replace Hughes? 7. Is this the same person as when you decided the answer to 1 above? (or have you changed your mind?)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 9:59:47 GMT
"some fans" ? Are you insinuating that I agree with it, assuming my take on it is correct? I can't see how you can be correct or Tone would still be here! The net spend figures are telling. TP spent on average 20M a season. Hughes is now down at 11M a season. You have to factor in the increase required at the start to improve the squad but even then, the TV deal has been increased twice since then and as such the average price of a decent player has gone through the stratosphere. Loan deals obviously not included. Wages would have gone up also, but even so, are those really spending figures of a club that has ambitions too far beyond taking the TV money each year and running? Honestly?
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Post by Gods on Sept 25, 2017 10:18:49 GMT
I can't see how you can be correct or Tone would still be here! The net spend figures are telling. TP spent on average 20M a season. Hughes is now down at 11M a season.You have to factor in the increase required at the start to improve the squad but even then, the TV deal has been increased twice since then and as such the average price of a decent player has gone through the stratosphere. Loan deals obviously not included. Wages would have gone up also, but even so, are those really spending figures of a club that has ambitions too far beyond taking the TV money each year and running? Honestly? Are those 'net' spending figures? Only that we spent £60m (£12m a Hughes season) on 4 players alone being Imbula £18m, Wimmer £18m, Berahino £12m and Joe Allen £12m.
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Post by rawli on Sept 25, 2017 10:32:57 GMT
Why? Beginning of. I accept that all managers get sacked sooner or later (notwithstanding the occasional Ferguson type of manager). But surely the sack is a really serious state of affairs defined (in no particular order) by: Relegation threat Players walking out because of the manager Gross misconduct There are other situations where replacing the manager seems to happen Not making progress / sliding season on season (The Pulis scenario) A better candidate becomes available (The Man City scenario) Style of football (Pulis again) Fan power (Pulis again) So taking stock, since Hughes has come in, by common assent he has improved the standard of football, has improved our league position (in three years out of four - certainly it has not got worse); has brought in better players; has presided over better attendances (even before the new corner); has bought and sold well. What has he done that Warrants the sack? You missed 'your son filming himself shagging prostitutes and insulting the race of the owner', 'new foreign owner wanting a 'name' manager', 'drinking yourself almost to death' and (the favourite though it never actually happens) 'shagging the chairman's daughter or wife'
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Post by rawli on Sept 25, 2017 10:34:23 GMT
I can't see how you can be correct or Tone would still be here! The net spend figures are telling. TP spent on average 20M a season. Hughes is now down at 11M a season. You have to factor in the increase required at the start to improve the squad but even then, the TV deal has been increased twice since then and as such the average price of a decent player has gone through the stratosphere. Loan deals obviously not included. Wages would have gone up also, but even so, are those really spending figures of a club that has ambitions too far beyond taking the TV money each year and running? Honestly? The £20 million was when that was a lot of money. Not just the price of a championship centre forward.
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Post by rawli on Sept 25, 2017 10:42:58 GMT
Why the hell do you say top 6 is unacheivable??? What is so wrong in wanting to make our club a global presence. Show off what Stoke-on-Trent has to offer. Make this city an absolute haven for football fans. Coates has put on on this path but we need a further push. Does Coates have to sell his beloved club to get us there? mate you are wasting your time with some on here.they have no ambition at all,like our owner im afraid this is your lot,this is the best you get steak and chips. There is ambition and utter delusion. 1. We will never be a regular top 6 club as we don't have the crowds, the money or even the sway with FA / referees that you need. 2. We have owners who don't want to spend - happy to survive and have us as a billboard for as little outlay as they can get away with. Coates lived the dream for a while through TP, the family didn't like it and stepped in before it got too expensive. 3. Coates doesn't want to sell. I want to be entertained and see us win more than we lose. That's a realistic ambition unless we are relegated. Then I want us to win the championship and get back to PL.
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Post by mrred on Sept 25, 2017 11:18:02 GMT
He should have gone last season after the absolute dog shit football since January 2016, the fluffing of big money signings, the reliance of the old guard, the lack of youth players being utilised or tried, the Cup exit against Wolves. Up to last week he seemed to have learned most of his lessons and most people are back onboard. But he's a lucky boy after the last 1 1/2 seasons. I was challenged with numerous questions after one of my posts last week end which I replied to; I have a few for you: 1. At what point after Jan 16 did you decide he should be sacked? 2. What were the big money signings he should have made? Are you sure he didn't try? 3. What is the problem with relying on the old guard if they got us back up to 2 points less than 8th place? 4. Which youngsters would you have in the side, replacing who? 5. You seem to have relented after just 5 matches, but then changed your mind again after the last 3, are you my wife? 6. Who do you think should replace Hughes? 7. Is this the same person as when you decided the answer to 1 above? (or have you changed your mind?) 1- November / December 2016. 2- Not the one's he should have made- the ones he bought in, namely Imbula and Saido (who I'm sticking with but plenty would consider him a dud). Add to that how many players he bought in and went out on loan never to be seen again. Couple this with his reputation with the Man City and QPR flops. 3- Because after 3 years it was clear who the weak links in the squad were. Some of them have since been moved on. 4- The one's he considers good enough to make the squad? Bringing them on when games were either lost or in the bag. Saturday was another example. 5- I'm completely neutral on him this season, a lot of lessons seemed to have been learned but as time goes on, the old cracks in the wall start reappear. 6- The times gone but I would have moved fucking heaven and earth to get Rafa in as last season finished. He clearly wasn't happy up there. 7- Yes, although he had his head down doing a job in the championship.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 25, 2017 11:38:07 GMT
I was challenged with numerous questions after one of my posts last week end which I replied to; I have a few for you: 1. At what point after Jan 16 did you decide he should be sacked? 2. What were the big money signings he should have made? Are you sure he didn't try? 3. What is the problem with relying on the old guard if they got us back up to 2 points less than 8th place? 4. Which youngsters would you have in the side, replacing who? 5. You seem to have relented after just 5 matches, but then changed your mind again after the last 3, are you my wife? 6. Who do you think should replace Hughes? 7. Is this the same person as when you decided the answer to 1 above? (or have you changed your mind?) 1- November / December 2016. 2- Not the one's he should have made- the ones he bought in, namely Imbula and Saido (who I'm sticking with but plenty would consider him a dud). Add to that how many players he bought in and went out on loan never to be seen again. Couple this with his reputation with the Man City and QPR flops. 3- Because after 3 years it was clear who the weak links in the squad were. Some of them have since been moved on. 4- The one's he considers good enough to make the squad? Bringing them on when games were either lost or in the bag. Saturday was another example. 5- I'm completely neutral on him this season, a lot of lessons seemed to have been learned but as time goes on, the old cracks in the wall start reappear. 6- The times gone but I would have moved fucking heaven and earth to get Rafa in as last season finished. He clearly wasn't happy up there. 7- Yes, although he had his head down doing a job in the championship. Haha absolutely no solutions. Rafa? The same Rafa who was incredibly lucky to get anything out of the game against us? Rafa who lost against Brighton yesterday? I thought you'd want to go for someone like Guardiola.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Sept 25, 2017 11:51:00 GMT
Quick summary. Stoke are now playing entertaining passing football. However, we cant keep the ball for long periods and lose the ball all over the pitch especially midfield, we can't score and we let in goals (whether defensive mistakes or otherwise). Other teams make mistakes and we can't seem to capitalise.
Hughes has to start building a more defensive minded team to keep clean sheets then gradually introduce a style to keep a tight defense with decent defenders but a winning attitude. Against Newcastle, dominated first 20 minutes but you get nothing for that.
Some very big games coming up now and by that I dont mean top teams we have to be in the top 10 by CHristmas and stop conceding stupid goals, even Butland is not showing any great form and if he had stood up to Morata on that break instead of diving to floor he could have saved it.
Poor display all round
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Post by mrred on Sept 25, 2017 11:57:20 GMT
1- November / December 2016. 2- Not the one's he should have made- the ones he bought in, namely Imbula and Saido (who I'm sticking with but plenty would consider him a dud). Add to that how many players he bought in and went out on loan never to be seen again. Couple this with his reputation with the Man City and QPR flops. 3- Because after 3 years it was clear who the weak links in the squad were. Some of them have since been moved on. 4- The one's he considers good enough to make the squad? Bringing them on when games were either lost or in the bag. Saturday was another example. 5- I'm completely neutral on him this season, a lot of lessons seemed to have been learned but as time goes on, the old cracks in the wall start reappear. 6- The times gone but I would have moved fucking heaven and earth to get Rafa in as last season finished. He clearly wasn't happy up there. 7- Yes, although he had his head down doing a job in the championship. Haha absolutely no solutions. Rafa? The same Rafa who was incredibly lucky to get anything out of the game against us? Rafa who lost against Brighton yesterday? I thought you'd want to go for someone like Guardiola. The fuck you on about? No solutions other than the one I've said? He'd be my number one target. They've got a squad that is in desperate need of additions but he's managing it. Given Coatsey's love of British managers (touched on it on BBC1 on Saturday) he's about as realistic and as exotic as we'd get. No manager is perfect, but how many managers would get owners lucky enough to put up with 15 months of shite as we did?
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 25, 2017 12:02:16 GMT
So what would you expect Rafa to do? Hughes is as good as a club like Stoke are going to get. Newcastle looked fucking shit yesterday by the way.
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Post by mrred on Sept 25, 2017 12:08:30 GMT
So what would you expect Rafa to do? Hughes is as good as a club like Stoke are going to get. Newcastle looked fucking shit yesterday by the way. Speaking to a Castle fan last week the thing he was most impressed with was that Rafa had managed was to get the team organised, the defense in shape and the front line constantly testing the opposition. Can't speak of yesterday but again, with a team in desperate need of bolstering, they're not doing too bad so far. It's irrelevant at this point anyway.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 25, 2017 12:09:52 GMT
Why the hell do you say top 6 is unacheivable??? What is so wrong in wanting to make our club a global presence. Show off what Stoke-on-Trent has to offer. Make this city an absolute haven for football fans. Coates has put on on this path but we need a further push. Does Coates have to sell his beloved club to get us there? Maybe he should sell or hand the reins over to Jonathon we do seem to have stood still or even gone backwards a little. Coates is rather 'Little Britain' when it comes to his managerial appointments. Maybe a younger perspective is needed?
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 25, 2017 12:10:27 GMT
So what would you expect Rafa to do? Hughes is as good as a club like Stoke are going to get. Newcastle looked fucking shit yesterday by the way. Speaking to a Castle fan last week the thing he was most impressed with was that Rafa had managed was to get the team organised, the defense in shape and the front line constantly testing the opposition. Can't speak of yesterday but again, with a team in desperate need of bolstering, they're not doing too bad so far. It's irrelevant at this point anyway. Let's see if they finish above us this season. Lots of games to go and we've had some tough games so far.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 25, 2017 12:18:27 GMT
No. Real life games. You ever been to one? I doubt it mate. Pal of mine has been trying to meet this self-styled hardman of the board after matches, and owd voidy always conveniently reads his messages too late or happens to be in the wrong pub Probably sat at his parents' house with a TV dinner Absolute horseshit from you as usual. Your 'pal' is one of your other usernames- everyone knows it- and when have I styled myself as a 'hardman'? 😂 I haven't threatened anyone me old fruit. Ripped the piss out of any tool on here who deserves it,yes. Threatened, no. Perhaps when I tell 'Deano' where I am after Bournemouth you could tag along too, shouldn't be a problem if you're different people? Or are you still 'down south'? 😂 Perhaps 'Deano' will invite me for a panini at Wetherspoons again today knowing full well I couldn't make it. Take the flack off, so to speak 😎 As for failing to meet your alter-ego, I'm still trying to figure out how 'Deano' managed to get from the Brit at FT against Man Utd to Hartshill bank in T-minus 15 minutes 😂 I was still on the canal bridge. Some going that- I can't recall seeing one of Seth Brundle's Telepods next to the ticket office, I must have missed it in the crowd 😎
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 12:26:26 GMT
Why the hell do you say top 6 is unacheivable??? What is so wrong in wanting to make our club a global presence. Show off what Stoke-on-Trent has to offer. Make this city an absolute haven for football fans. Coates has put on on this path but we need a further push. Does Coates have to sell his beloved club to get us there? mate you are wasting your time with some on here.they have no ambition at all,like our owner im afraid this is your lot,this is the best you get steak and chips. If we are thinking of breaking the Top 6, we are going to have to unseat one of Man City, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal, Spurs, or Liverpool. Nothing is impossible - I never thought that I'd see us in the Premier League, for example. Unless something significant changes, though - ie Coates sells the club to a gazillionaire - it's not happening. And I'm talking Man City owner-type funds, because having money is one thing, but getting a £40m player to come to Stoke, over any of those clubs listed, will be a tough ask. Nigh-on impossible. So while it's good to have ambition, if you really do think that we have any chance at all of cracking the Top 6 anytime soon, I'm afraid you're setting yourself up for constant disappointment.
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Post by mrred on Sept 25, 2017 12:27:28 GMT
Speaking to a Castle fan last week the thing he was most impressed with was that Rafa had managed was to get the team organised, the defense in shape and the front line constantly testing the opposition. Can't speak of yesterday but again, with a team in desperate need of bolstering, they're not doing too bad so far. It's irrelevant at this point anyway. Let's see if they finish above us this season. Lots of games to go and we've had some tough games so far. For what it's worth I don't want that to happen and I want Hughes to be successful. We've got a bloody good team, he just needs to get a system that works. He seems to have them all onside so that's half the battle I guess.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2017 12:27:39 GMT
I can't see how you can be correct or Tone would still be here! The net spend figures are telling. TP spent on average 20M a season. Hughes is now down at 11M a season. You have to factor in the increase required at the start to improve the squad but even then, the TV deal has been increased twice since then and as such the average price of a decent player has gone through the stratosphere. Loan deals obviously not included. Wages would have gone up also, but even so, are those really spending figures of a club that has ambitions too far beyond taking the TV money each year and running? Honestly? Why would you say Pulis was sacked?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 12:43:08 GMT
The net spend figures are telling. TP spent on average 20M a season. Hughes is now down at 11M a season. You have to factor in the increase required at the start to improve the squad but even then, the TV deal has been increased twice since then and as such the average price of a decent player has gone through the stratosphere. Loan deals obviously not included. Wages would have gone up also, but even so, are those really spending figures of a club that has ambitions too far beyond taking the TV money each year and running? Honestly? Why would you say Pulis was sacked? Because the directors were fed up of going to the game on Saturday and not waking up till Sunday dinner time.
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