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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2017 12:56:44 GMT
Why would you say Pulis was sacked? Because the directors were fed up of going to the game on Saturday and not waking up till Sunday dinner time. Hughes can consider himself to be exceptionally lucky to be in employment after last season then!
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 25, 2017 13:13:08 GMT
Hughes has some credit in the bank with Coates I am sure - under his management we have tried to play football which is more pleasing on the eye, getting three 9th place finishes doing so, and he has spent less than Pulis on average to achieve it. We have shown some promising early signs this season of learning some of the lessons of the last disappointing campaign, but the last week has not maintained that momentum (with a rash of centre back injuries surely not helping in this regard).
A manager deserves until Christmas, no matter who he is, before his performance can be properly reviewed. If we are in the bottom three and leaking goals for fun, it may be time for his head to roll. If, as expected, we will have had some ups and downs, some sterling performances and some absolute shockers, and sit somewhere between 10th and 14th, would it really be beneficial to sack Hughes? Then what? Big Sam brought in to steady the ship? Yeah, great......
We are in our 10th consecutive season in the top division, at least partly, due to our stability. Other teams have a different business model, like Southampton, but ours is founded on a local owner who is a real supporter, a vociferous and loyal fan base, and a sense that we are a decent club both to support (frozen ticket prices, free away coaches) and work for (backing injured players with contract extensions, not being quick to fire managers at the first sign of trouble). I like that about our club, and would wish to see it maintained at the expense of Steve Parish-like knee jerk reactions which pander to a baying mob of malcontents. We are better than that.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 25, 2017 13:37:30 GMT
To be fair to Hughes we went two games without conceding 4 at home
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Post by senojbor on Sept 25, 2017 13:41:13 GMT
and he has spent less than Pulis on average to achieve it. I thought we've had a couple of record signing plus a hugely increased wage bill, but I could be wrong.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2017 13:44:47 GMT
and he has spent less than Pulis on average to achieve it. I thought we've had a couple of record signing plus a hugely increased wage bill, but I could be wrong. And a number of summers where we were the lowest spenders in the league. The 'on average' was the crucial bit.
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Post by Davef on Sept 25, 2017 14:04:03 GMT
To be fair to Hughes we went two games without conceding 4 at home Oh look, another one who’s got his internet access back after losing it after the Arsenal and Man Utd games.
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Post by milky on Sept 25, 2017 14:20:54 GMT
and he has spent less than Pulis on average to achieve it. I thought we've had a couple of record signing plus a hugely increased wage bill, but I could be wrong. All relative though as fees and wages keep increasing year after year. But you already know that.
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Post by werrington on Sept 25, 2017 14:23:50 GMT
and he has spent less than Pulis on average to achieve it. I thought we've had a couple of record signing plus a hugely increased wage bill, but I could be wrong. Like every other premiership club due to increased tv money You need to keep up
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Post by sportsman on Sept 25, 2017 14:41:31 GMT
To be fair to Hughes we went two games without conceding 4 at home Oh look, another one who’s got his internet access back after losing it after the Arsenal and Man Utd games. I think this applies: Sing when we're losing, They only sing when we're losing.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 25, 2017 14:42:43 GMT
I thought we've had a couple of record signing plus a hugely increased wage bill, but I could be wrong. All relative though as fees and wages keep increasing year after year. But you already know that. Usually that would apply, but with this fruit cake maybe not.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 25, 2017 15:19:58 GMT
All relative though as fees and wages keep increasing year after year. But you already know that. Usually that would apply, but with this fruit cake maybe not. He only liked Stoke when Toxic was manager.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 25, 2017 15:50:45 GMT
To be fair to Hughes we went two games without conceding 4 at home To be fair at least he's keeping it down to 4, it was usually 7 (seven) under your hero.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 16:05:48 GMT
I doubt it mate. Pal of mine has been trying to meet this self-styled hardman of the board after matches, and owd voidy always conveniently reads his messages too late or happens to be in the wrong pub Probably sat at his parents' house with a TV dinner Absolute horseshit from you as usual. Your 'pal' is one of your other usernames- everyone knows it- and when have I styled myself as a 'hardman'? 😂 I haven't threatened anyone me old fruit. Ripped the piss out of any tool on here who deserves it,yes. Threatened, no. Perhaps when I tell 'Deano' where I am after Bournemouth you could tag along too, shouldn't be a problem if you're different people? Or are you still 'down south'? 😂 Perhaps 'Deano' will invite me for a panini at Wetherspoons again today knowing full well I couldn't make it. Take the flack off, so to speak 😎 As for failing to meet your alter-ego, I'm still trying to figure out how 'Deano' managed to get from the Brit at FT against Man Utd to Hartshill bank in T-minus 15 minutes 😂 I was still on the canal bridge. Some going that- I can't recall seeing one of Seth Brundle's Telepods next to the ticket office, I must have missed it in the crowd 😎 Quite the outburst, Todge voidy 😎 I'll meet you for a panini now if you like. If you're not too busy of course 😂
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Post by manmarking on Sept 25, 2017 16:06:56 GMT
I doubt it mate. Pal of mine has been trying to meet this self-styled hardman of the board after matches, and owd voidy always conveniently reads his messages too late or happens to be in the wrong pub Probably sat at his parents' house with a TV dinner Absolute horseshit from you as usual. Your 'pal' is one of your other usernames- everyone knows it- and when have I styled myself as a 'hardman'? 😂 I haven't threatened anyone me old fruit. Ripped the piss out of any tool on here who deserves it,yes. Threatened, no. Perhaps when I tell 'Deano' where I am after Bournemouth you could tag along too, shouldn't be a problem if you're different people? Or are you still 'down south'? 😂 Perhaps 'Deano' will invite me for a panini at Wetherspoons again today knowing full well I couldn't make it. Take the flack off, so to speak 😎 As for failing to meet your alter-ego, I'm still trying to figure out how 'Deano' managed to get from the Brit at FT against Man Utd to Hartshill bank in T-minus 15 minutes 😂 I was still on the canal bridge. Some going that- I can't recall seeing one of Seth Brundle's Telepods next to the ticket office, I must have missed it in the crowd 😎 Another whopper protest post from you mate, and even deflecting on the old alt account lark now. Funny you should do that within minutes of deano accusing you and rogerjonesisvoid of the same thing By the by, have you ever written anything original on here mate, or is it not your style? All your insults are other people's. Just curious, like And yes I'm down south; no I wouldn't want to go for a pint with you even if I was back. Thanks anyway though
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Post by Admin on Sept 25, 2017 16:10:59 GMT
Absolute horseshit from you as usual. Your 'pal' is one of your other usernames- everyone knows it- and when have I styled myself as a 'hardman'? 😂 I haven't threatened anyone me old fruit. Ripped the piss out of any tool on here who deserves it,yes. Threatened, no. Perhaps when I tell 'Deano' where I am after Bournemouth you could tag along too, shouldn't be a problem if you're different people? Or are you still 'down south'? 😂 Perhaps 'Deano' will invite me for a panini at Wetherspoons again today knowing full well I couldn't make it. Take the flack off, so to speak 😎 As for failing to meet your alter-ego, I'm still trying to figure out how 'Deano' managed to get from the Brit at FT against Man Utd to Hartshill bank in T-minus 15 minutes 😂 I was still on the canal bridge. Some going that- I can't recall seeing one of Seth Brundle's Telepods next to the ticket office, I must have missed it in the crowd 😎 Another whopper protest post from you mate, and even deflecting on the old alt account lark now. Funny you should do that within minutes of deano accusing you and rogerjonesisvoid of the same thing By the by, have you ever written anything original on here mate, or is it not your style? All your insults are other people's. Just curious, like And yes I'm down south; no I wouldn't want to go for a pint with you even if I was back. Thanks anyway though Yeah, if you can all keep this bullshit for other board, it would be much appreciated.
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Post by songthrush01 on Sept 25, 2017 16:13:02 GMT
mate you are wasting your time with some on here.they have no ambition at all,like our owner im afraid this is your lot,this is the best you get steak and chips. some of us go to the games and base our thoughts on reality not fifa or whatever shit games you play. oh listen to this tart ,if all else fails try you dont go argument.get your facts right pal first.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 25, 2017 17:05:27 GMT
Let's see if they finish above us this season. Lots of games to go and we've had some tough games so far. For what it's worth I don't want that to happen and I want Hughes to be successful. We've got a bloody good team, he just needs to get a system that works. He seems to have them all onside so that's half the battle I guess. Back in from shopping. As fishy says you answered some of the questions but offered no solutions apart from the completely impractical one. There is no way any CL level manager us going to come to Stoke, unless he has failed like Hughes at ManC; Rafa Benitez would not come to Stoke, he is only interested in working for big clubs with massive following and huge media attention. You did not name the "weak links" MH should have moved on after 3 years. Surely not Whelan, arguably our best player in MH's first season, surely not Walters, our consistently 2nd highest scorer each season, Crouch?, Adam?, Cameron?, Shawcross? He did get rid of: Huth (unfortunately), Pennant, Palacios, Jones, Shea, Wilson, Whitehead, Upson, Kightly, in addition to others who chose to leave or retired or unable to play. He has consistently cleared out "dead wood" and also stood by loyal servants who have given good service, with the possible exception of Huth. Since Hughes arrived in 2013, the "Hughes out" campaign started the next day, and since then I have seen countless names mentioned as to who should replace him. A lot like Rafa who are not going to look twice at Stoke and many on the list of those who have "failed" (sacked/resigned/relegated) at Prem Clubs: Di Canio, Holloway, Jol, Clarke, Villas-Boas, Mackay, Laudrup, Meulensteen, Huyton, Moyes, Mel, Sherwood, Warnock, Irvine, Lambert, Poyet, Redknapp, Carver, Pearson, Advocaat, Rogers (after spending >£300m), Monk, McClaren, Martinez, van Gaal, Guidolin, Pardew, Bradley, Phelan, Ranieri, Karanka, deBoar, plus Dyche and Bruce relegated. I don't include many mutual agreements to leave like Pulis at CP, temps not made permanent, other strange changes like contracts not renewed - Allerdyce at WHU, Puet sacked at Southampton - hardly a failure. Is it any wonder Coates holds onto Hughes? His record is outstanding for a small club like Stoke not just surviving in the Prem. but managing our longest consistent run in the top half of the the top flight at arguably the most difficult time in history. He attracts some great players, but as yet has not managed to get the synergy needed to create a highly successful team. We should stand by him and give him our best support. I'm sure he wants success as much if not more than any fan and is the best man available to us to produce it.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 25, 2017 17:19:34 GMT
IF Hughes did go, who could we attract to take over and take us higher than 9th?
Dyche, more likely to take us down than improve us.
Fat Sam, mid table, so not improving us.
Rogers, no way, he sees himsen has a top 6 manager.
That dunner leave too many, unless Coates wants to gamble on a young upcoming manager, or break with tradition and bring in a manager from abroad.
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Post by werrington on Sept 25, 2017 17:21:25 GMT
IF Hughes did go, who could we attract to take over and take us higher than 9th? Dyche, more likely to take us down than improve us. Fat Sam, mid table, so not improving us. Rogers, no way, he sees himsen has a top 6 manager. That dunner leave too many, unless Coates wants to gamble on a young upcoming manager, or break with tradition and bring in a manager from abroad. It'd be Moyes
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 25, 2017 17:45:51 GMT
IF Hughes did go, who could we attract to take over and take us higher than 9th? Dyche, more likely to take us down than improve us. Fat Sam, mid table, so not improving us. Rogers, no way, he sees himsen has a top 6 manager. That dunner leave too many, unless Coates wants to gamble on a young upcoming manager, or break with tradition and bring in a manager from abroad. I keep making the same point. Most of Hughes British Isles peers have failed or fallen by the way side, only Pulis has a comparable record. Big Sam has shown himself to be corrupt like Pulis and has said he has retired. Rogers wasted >£300m at Liverpool and ended up losing 6-1 to us. When you look at the success rate of foreign managers in my list 3 post above it is a catalogue of failures. Only the very, very best foreign managers at the top clubs with pots of money to spend have succeeded. Mancini was judged a failure and Klopp is hardly a success yet considering the massive resources at their disposal.
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Post by johnnyjarvis on Sept 25, 2017 17:50:35 GMT
There are some facts we need to discuss and NOT shy away from or get emotional.
The vehicle for Bet365 is Stoke City. The vehicle for Stoke City is Bet365. So what is my point.
Bet365 made £460,000,000 Net profit in 2016. The year before upwards of £300,000,000 net profit. The year before that considerable profit.
Effectively the company has made over 1 billion pounds net profit. So why when people say we are unable to compete do we fall for this rubbish? The owners revenue is up there with the wealthiest of owners. THEY CHOOSE NOT TO INVEST. Why?
Stoke City is kept as a separate business that creates its own revenues. These are carefully accounted for with monies raised goes back into the club, to a point. However, IT IS EXPECTED TO MAKE PROFIT.
I am not doubting Coates is a supporter of the club but, his passion is to be richer & richer. Yes loans do come across from Bet365 to Stoke but they are quickly paid back in full with interest.
Stoke City do have the fire power to be up there with the best. The truth is there is no desire to make us bigger, why would they. The crowds will not get bigger, wages in the area are lower than the bigger cities. THEY DO NOT SEE US A VIABLE LONG TERM GROWTH CLUB.
The club is a passion and a play thing for the Coates family. Nothing wrong in that. They will always play it safe.
THE CLUB HAVE THE MEANS TO COMPETE TO MAKE US A SUPER CLUB. THEY CHOOSE NOT TOO.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 25, 2017 17:51:02 GMT
IF Hughes did go, who could we attract to take over and take us higher than 9th? Dyche, more likely to take us down than improve us. Fat Sam, mid table, so not improving us. Rogers, no way, he sees himsen has a top 6 manager. That dunner leave too many, unless Coates wants to gamble on a young upcoming manager, or break with tradition and bring in a manager from abroad. It'd be Moyes Ancelotti is on his way out at Bayern - surely we should show ambition and go for Carlo? No?
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Post by werrington on Sept 25, 2017 18:01:37 GMT
Ancelotti is on his way out at Bayern - surely we should show ambition and go for Carlo? No? I don't disagree pugs but Coates always goes safe and what he knows He's already gone on record saying how highly he rates him It wouldn't bother me tbh, shafted at Manchester United before he had a chance and the same at Sunderland when he wasn't backed financially like he was promised when he joined
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 25, 2017 18:06:14 GMT
There are some facts we need to discuss and NOT shy away from or get emotional. The vehicle for Bet365 is Stoke City. The vehicle for Stoke City is Bet365. So what is my point. Bet365 made £460,000,000 Net profit in 2016. The year before upwards of £300,000,000 net profit. The year before that considerable profit. Effectively the company has made over 1 billion pounds net profit. So why when people say we are unable to compete do we fall for this rubbish? The owners revenue is up there with the wealthiest of owners. THEY CHOOSE NOT TO INVEST. Why? Stoke City is kept as a separate business that creates its own revenues. These are carefully accounted for with monies raised goes back into the club, to a point. However, IT IS EXPECTED TO MAKE PROFIT. I am not doubting Coates is a supporter of the club but, his passion is to be richer & richer. Yes loans do come across from Bet365 to Stoke but they are quickly paid back in full with interest. Stoke City do have the fire power to be up there with the best. The truth is there is no desire to make us bigger, why would they. The crowds will not get bigger, wages in the area are lower than the bigger cities. THEY DO NOT SEE US A VIABLE LONG TERM GROWTH CLUB. The club is a passion and a play thing for the Coates family. Nothing wrong in that. They will always play it safe. THE CLUB HAVE THE MEANS TO COMPETE TO MAKE US A SUPER CLUB. THEY CHOOSE NOT TOO. So what you are saying is that the largest private company employer in Stoke on Trent which employs over 3,000 people in its group should blow all its profit on football players. Most of the Coates family wealth, of which PC has a minority, in the paper value of the company and fixed assets like offices and IT and could only be turned into cash by selling the business. Stoke City does not have the revenue of the like of ManC/U, Arsenal, Chelsea, etc.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 25, 2017 18:11:19 GMT
Ancelotti is on his way out at Bayern - surely we should show ambition and go for Carlo? No? I don't disagree pugs but Coates always goes safe and what he knows He's already gone on record saying how highly he rates him It wouldn't bother me tbh, shafted at Manchester United before he had a chance and the same at Sunderland when he wasn't backed financially like he was promised when he joined It was firmly tongue in cheek about Ancelotti mate.
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Post by johnnyjarvis on Sept 25, 2017 18:11:27 GMT
You misunderstand:
Those are nett profit figures, not fictitious numbers.
To employ over 3000 people in the local area is truly remarkable. However, his passion to make us a really top club is NOT achievable.
I ask the question again. Is this club REALLY AMBITITIOUS ??
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 25, 2017 18:32:07 GMT
You misunderstand: Those are nett profit figures, not fictitious numbers. To employ over 3000 people in the local area is truly remarkable. However, his passion to make us a really top club is NOT achievable. I ask the question again. Is this club REALLY AMBITITIOUS ?? I'm not saying 3,000 in S-O-T, but in the whole bet365 group. I think you need to check your profit figures for how much is taxed, paid in dividends to share holders, and reinvested in the bet365 business. Do you really think the Coates family should just spend all the profit of their company on Stoke City? You should read about Jack Walker and Blackburn Rovers and see where they are now. PC has said he is trying to create a sustainable club that stays in the top flight indefinitely. That is true ambition to create a perpetual organization. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Walker
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Post by johnnyjarvis on Sept 25, 2017 18:39:55 GMT
I have checked my figures. These numbers are net, they can easily be found. The figures are after tax and dividends. In 2016 the dividend paid was £91,000,000. That’s some bonus. I would presume some of this was a interest free loan to Stoke City.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 25, 2017 19:35:05 GMT
One of the UK's best strikers of recent decades really shouldn't be struggling to find a way for a team to create openings and score goals as far as I'm concerned. As I said earlier he seems much more emotionally engaged this season and is definitely worth a continuation in his tenure, but there has to be a functional answer created soon by Hughes to solve this obvious major issue.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 25, 2017 19:45:12 GMT
Absolute horseshit from you as usual. Your 'pal' is one of your other usernames- everyone knows it- and when have I styled myself as a 'hardman'? 😂 I haven't threatened anyone me old fruit. Ripped the piss out of any tool on here who deserves it,yes. Threatened, no. Perhaps when I tell 'Deano' where I am after Bournemouth you could tag along too, shouldn't be a problem if you're different people? Or are you still 'down south'? 😂 Perhaps 'Deano' will invite me for a panini at Wetherspoons again today knowing full well I couldn't make it. Take the flack off, so to speak 😎 As for failing to meet your alter-ego, I'm still trying to figure out how 'Deano' managed to get from the Brit at FT against Man Utd to Hartshill bank in T-minus 15 minutes 😂 I was still on the canal bridge. Some going that- I can't recall seeing one of Seth Brundle's Telepods next to the ticket office, I must have missed it in the crowd 😎 Another whopper protest post from you mate, and even deflecting on the old alt account lark now. Funny you should do that within minutes of deano accusing you and rogerjonesisvoid of the same thing By the by, have you ever written anything original on here mate, or is it not your style? All your insults are other people's. Just curious, like And yes I'm down south; no I wouldn't want to go for a pint with you even if I was back. Thanks anyway though I think you're getting deluded again me old fruitloop- 'Deano' accusing me and Roj of being the same is quite a recent trend. Do try to keep up with what your various aliases are posting😉 To paraphrase yourself- triggered to fuck 😎 See you on the EE.
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