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Post by Pirate on Sept 23, 2017 16:28:07 GMT
We have 3 centrebacks out injured today, just what do you expect, lets have 6 top drawer centrebacks at the club, i am sure 3 wont mind sitting out every week, get real! I expect EVERY defender at the club to be too good for the championship, that's what we pay for. So get real yourself. We don't pay premiership wages for Championship players....oh hang on . I really do not want to argue with you but we have 5 excellent CB's at the club & 4 of them couldn't play today, we filled in with 2 fullbacks, one ( GJ ) who doesnt even get picked for the first 11 normally, if you think we should have another 2/3 CB's just lying around for the odd occasion when 4 of the 5 who normally play are not fit then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. You are suggesting we should have 7 top level CB's in the squad, maybe even 8, seriously???
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2017 16:30:10 GMT
Several times he got into attacking positions and did not make anything of it. He didnt make mistakes like Johnson or Fletcher He wasnt a transparent striker like Jese I see Ramadan skills have decreased in comparison to his level 2 years ago, he was supposed to improve in premier league but he didnt On the other hand I feel sorry for him to play as LB , he is not fast and he is not a defender , just Hughes sees something different Andy Griffin seemed to think Ramadan played well?
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Post by johnnyjarvis on Sept 23, 2017 16:32:33 GMT
Well the heck are you debating centre backs???? What has that got to do with anything. There is seriously a bigger picture and you are losing sight of it.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Sept 23, 2017 16:33:21 GMT
Last season he was much much better than now, he was a fighter and now he is just playing like someone who is doing required job With the national team he was much better than now He needs to play regularly in his position Anyway it seems most of people here think Ramadan was the problem today so I have to accept it Could it be the effects of marriage ?🤣🤣 May be, mostly he was a virgin few months ago so he is expected to do aditional training at the home 😝 For me i think his main problem now, he is not a regular player and when he played he played LB today and RB against West brom, in adition to that he is not a fighter anymore cause he looks frustrated
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Post by Dr Hesham on Sept 23, 2017 16:36:32 GMT
He didnt make mistakes like Johnson or Fletcher He wasnt a transparent striker like Jese I see Ramadan skills have decreased in comparison to his level 2 years ago, he was supposed to improve in premier league but he didnt On the other hand I feel sorry for him to play as LB , he is not fast and he is not a defender , just Hughes sees something different Andy Griffin seemed to think Ramadan played well? He was average like most of the players, being average out of position is not bad
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 23, 2017 16:37:10 GMT
Poor day enough problems.before the game without giving three bad goals away . They are clearly a top team and some credit to our lads for trying to get in the game especially Shaq and Choupo . I thought Allen grew into the game . Fletcher had a mare as did Ramadan and I'm really struggling to see how Jese is going to do anything here . It's been a bad week and a huge game next week now both for the season and the manager.
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 23, 2017 16:40:08 GMT
So why the hell are those defenders at our club? We play in the best league in the world, not a place for sub standard defenders is it? Quite right! We should have 8 world class CBs in the squad like every other PL side outside the top 6 does. Hughes out! FFS
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Post by johnnyjarvis on Sept 23, 2017 16:41:33 GMT
I suppose when we have so low expectations how can change ever happen
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 23, 2017 16:54:03 GMT
Could it be the effects of marriage ?🤣🤣 May be, mostly he was a virgin few months ago so he is expected to do aditional training at the home 😝 For me i think his main problem now, he is not a regular player and when he played he played LB today and RB against West brom, in adition to that he is not a fighter anymore cause he looks frustrated How would you know that he was a virgin until a few months ago ????!!!!!
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 23, 2017 16:55:30 GMT
He didnt make mistakes like Johnson or Fletcher He wasnt a transparent striker like Jese I see Ramadan skills have decreased in comparison to his level 2 years ago, he was supposed to improve in premier league but he didnt On the other hand I feel sorry for him to play as LB , he is not fast and he is not a defender , just Hughes sees something different Andy Griffin seemed to think Ramadan played well? Says it all !! I rest my case 😄
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 16:57:55 GMT
Brainless football really. No fault of the lads as they gave it their all but to try and take Chelsea on at their own game with so many injuries was a bit daft from Hughes.
Today was the day for niggly, dirty football to eek out a tight game. He doesn't do it often but horses for courses doesn't do any harm.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 23, 2017 17:00:02 GMT
I thought we had a very good game today despite losing 4-0!!! Yes, I know it in a way sounds daft, but we created many good opportunities and really looked like the best team on the pitch for long periods. Unfortunately we were again too easily exposed at the back and the two first goals were really comedy goals! After that we really should have scored a couple of goals from all the chances we created, but instead Hughes took Indi off and put Fletcher back as our main central defender! Well, I hope we'll never see that experiment again as we looked more and more like a Sunday league team at the back after that. He is way too slow to play there as we all could see. Well, the game was out of reach anyway at that point and he wasn't helped by Johnson either who made another silly mistake. Thought Pieters played much better as a central defender than an attacking fullback by the way, which again raise the question why did we buy Wimmer instead of an attacking left back? Anyway with a full squad I think we could have got something today, but that we'll never get the answer of of course!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 17:00:12 GMT
No one said world class just premiership class and that's a big difference. Let me rephrase...... Quite right! We should have 8 premier league class CBs in the squad like every other PL side outside the top 6 does. Hughes out! Do you really think that's any less ridiculous? Let me rephrase. Do you really think our strength in depth is good enough at the moment? Do you think wishing for an academy starlet to make a massive step up is realistic in this league? How many defeats will it take before you and others stop making excuses for a squad that is simply not good enough?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 17:01:30 GMT
I expect EVERY defender at the club to be too good for the championship, that's what we pay for. So get real yourself. We don't pay premiership wages for Championship players....oh hang on . I really do not want to argue with you but we have 5 excellent CB's at the club & 4 of them couldn't play today, we filled in with 2 fullbacks, one ( GJ ) who doesnt even get picked for the first 11 normally, if you think we should have another 2/3 CB's just lying around for the odd occasion when 4 of the 5 who normally play are not fit then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. You are suggesting we should have 7 top level CB's in the squad, maybe even 8, seriously??? No I'm suggesting that those we have got are at a higher level. If we had ANY at world class level then they would not be here.
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Post by johnnyjarvis on Sept 23, 2017 17:08:53 GMT
Let’s rephrase the previous comments. How good are players? We will never know under this management. Let’s not blame the current squad as there is talent. Is the best being coached into them, I seriously doubt it.
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 23, 2017 17:11:42 GMT
Jesus, just got home saw score on ESPN ticker on American football saw Johnson in the squad and final score then quickly turned it right off, walked out, got in my truck going to the liquor store. This fucktarderry isnt ruining my whole weekend. No Ryan, no Geoff no chance. Later gents.
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Post by milky on Sept 23, 2017 17:14:55 GMT
Let me rephrase...... Quite right! We should have 8 premier league class CBs in the squad like every other PL side outside the top 6 does. Hughes out! Do you really think that's any less ridiculous? Let me rephrase. Do you really think our strength in depth is good enough at the moment? Do you think wishing for an academy starlet to make a massive step up is realistic in this league? How many defeats will it take before you and others stop making excuses for a squad that is simply not good enough? A few weeks ago we were signing too many centre backs. Now we had 3 injured and one unavailable we haven't got strength in depth! As a matter of interest how many top notch central defenders do you think a club like Stoke should have in the squad 6 ? 7 ? 8 ? All internationals presumably ?
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Post by ohbottom on Sept 23, 2017 17:24:17 GMT
Let me rephrase...... Quite right! We should have 8 premier league class CBs in the squad like every other PL side outside the top 6 does. Hughes out! Do you really think that's any less ridiculous? Let me rephrase. Do you really think our strength in depth is good enough at the moment? Do you think wishing for an academy starlet to make a massive step up is realistic in this league? How many defeats will it take before you and others stop making excuses for a squad that is simply not good enough? Mate, seriously, I think you need to go back to the original comment you made and think is it really reasonable? Hughes was coming under criticism for spending money on a 5th CB when we signed Wimmer - how many would you consider to be sufficient "strength in depth"? We were missing 4 (FOUR!) CBs today, so of course we had to play people out of position! There may well be (probably are) valid criticisms of the management, but this isn't one of them. Pursuing it you're just making yourself look daft.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2017 17:32:36 GMT
I've no comprehension why we did not get a RB in the summer. At the bare minimum.
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Post by johnnyjarvis on Sept 23, 2017 17:36:35 GMT
Again let’s look beyond today’s performance and focus on our current status as a club in this league. That is the real big question not to try and justify why MH presented his team.
I go back and repeat again. If you are happy with our progress then that’s your opinion. Mine is different. I want a club progressing, showing our ambitions, mixing youth and experience. Making the club a credible contender for top 6. If that’s too ambitituous for some, it’s a sad day for our club.
Mark Hughes is incapable of giving us this. History tells us this.
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Post by lordb on Sept 23, 2017 17:40:11 GMT
Again let’s look beyond today’s performance and focus on our current status as a club in this league. That is the real big question not to try and justify why MH presented his team. I go back and repeat again. If you are happy with our progress then that’s your opinion. Mine is different. I want a club progressing, showing our ambitions, mixing youth and experience. Making the club a credible contender for top 6. If that’s too ambitituous for some, it’s a sad day for our club. Mark Hughes is incapable of giving us this. History tells us this. No manager is capable of making the club a credible challenger for the top six. The difference in budget is too big. If that's your criteria you will be permanently disappointed.
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Post by johnnyjarvis on Sept 23, 2017 17:43:08 GMT
Then we should be putting pressure on Mr Coates. Or, what is the point of being in the premiership.
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Post by Fegg 'Ayes Observer on Sept 23, 2017 17:48:26 GMT
Leicester did it....
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 23, 2017 17:53:22 GMT
Again let’s look beyond today’s performance and focus on our current status as a club in this league. That is the real big question not to try and justify why MH presented his team. I go back and repeat again. If you are happy with our progress then that’s your opinion. Mine is different. I want a club progressing, showing our ambitions, mixing youth and experience. Making the club a credible contender for top 6. If that’s too ambitituous for some, it’s a sad day for our club. Mark Hughes is incapable of giving us this. History tells us this. Ktf. Or fuck off with the Smallthorne Cockneys. Our model as a Club is the envy of 91 or so other debt ridden, paper thin Houses of Cards. I'm not fretting nor judging our Club on today.
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Post by prudhoe1981 on Sept 23, 2017 17:54:18 GMT
Hughes is having a laugh saying that 4-0 flattered Chelsea. Is not the worst Stoke performance by any stretch but we were well beaten by quality opposition. Need 3 points next weekend to get morale going again. Hopefully we'll have more choices in terms of personnel anyway. Shit day. One I'd like to quickly forget.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 23, 2017 17:56:34 GMT
For me moving Fletcher back to a cb meant we lost any oportunity to control the midfield. The better choice for me was Souttar. We actually played well for most of the game but we do need to eliminate the silly defensive mistakes.
Thankfully the terrible start to the season we anticipated when the fixtures were announced didn't arise. Arsenal Man U and Chelsea as opening home games were off putting but we coped
Hope for the season ahead
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 17:58:06 GMT
Let me rephrase. Do you really think our strength in depth is good enough at the moment? Do you think wishing for an academy starlet to make a massive step up is realistic in this league? How many defeats will it take before you and others stop making excuses for a squad that is simply not good enough? A few weeks ago we were signing too many centre backs. Now we had 3 injured and one unavailable we haven't got strength in depth! As a matter of interest how many top notch central defenders do you think a club like Stoke should have in the squad 6 ? 7 ? 8 ? All internationals presumably ? I never said we had too many. I said that Ryan's back problems would return to haunt us and guess what? I don't understand why players on the bench (squad players) are not under tremendous pressure to a, up their game or b, be replaced in the summer or better still replaced by an up and coming academy player. Other wise what targets do our academy players have to aim for? Although the latter route in my opinion is far more difficult to achieve. We seem to have a level of player who sits on the bench not challenging for a starting place just taking up a space and a pay packet. Now are you saying that we can afford to have that luxury. Are we Chelsea? Do we have that many good players we can loan them out? The very reason we have taken Zouma is because despite him not being good enough for Chelsea at the moment (due to recent injury) he is still above what we have. That suggests we have not got enough Centre Backs of quality or we would not have needed him.
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Post by johnnyjarvis on Sept 23, 2017 18:03:22 GMT
The envy of 91% of all clubs why because we make profit ???
What about ambition and aspiration. Mr Coates is a marvellous but risk averse owner. That is now showing as we being left behind. Those who think we are not are deluded.
We have a manager who is a capable of motivating or purchasing exciting consistent players. His tactical decisions are questionable.
Not negative a true reflection of where we are.
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Post by theplantpotter on Sept 23, 2017 18:15:05 GMT
Hughes is having a laugh saying that 4-0 flattered Chelsea. Is not the worst Stoke performance by any stretch but we were well beaten by quality opposition. Need 3 points next weekend to get morale going again. Hopefully we'll have more choices in terms of personnel anyway. Shit day. One I'd like to quickly forget. He would do better at these after-match interviews if he showed a bit more passion about the team and the way they performed and recognise his own failings in the team selection and tactics. But he won't It isn't the first time that the introduction of subs has had a negative effect on the performance and the result
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2017 18:17:00 GMT
A few weeks ago we were signing too many centre backs. Now we had 3 injured and one unavailable we haven't got strength in depth! As a matter of interest how many top notch central defenders do you think a club like Stoke should have in the squad 6 ? 7 ? 8 ? All internationals presumably ? I never said we had too many. I said that Ryan's back problems would return to haunt us and guess what? I don't understand why players on the bench (squad players) are not under tremendous pressure to a, up their game or b, be replaced in the summer or better still replaced by an up and coming academy player. Other wise what targets do our academy players have to aim for? Although the latter route in my opinion is far more difficult to achieve. We seem to have a level of player who sits on the bench not challenging for a starting place just taking up a space and a pay packet. Now are you saying that we can afford to have that luxury. Are we Chelsea? Do we have that many good players we can loan them out? The very reason we have taken Zouma is because despite him not being good enough for Chelsea at the moment (due to recent injury) he is still above what we have. That suggests we have not got enough Centre Backs of quality or we would not have needed him. I don't like loan players full stop. If they do any good they end up fucking off after a season. I'd sooner take a chance on an up and comer or pay the going rate for an established pro.
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