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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2017 17:07:03 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tell-mark-hughes-what-stokes-507905Not much room to shake things up with Zouma and Cameron out, so no doubt the XI will end up picking itself Jese will be lucky to retain his spot, but presumably he will. Not really any options at all to freshen things up in midfield, which is a massive concern going forward. And the only real alternative to Diouf at wing-back is Ramadan, and don't for one minute think he'll be dropped in there cold against the champions, with that side of the defence already featuring Shawcross on the right-hand-side of a three in a position he probably isn't 100% comfortable in. I really would like to see Diouf given a run up front, but Hughes still seems some way off that call, especially with the ridiculous lack of options at wing-back. Would imagine it'd be the one that most are going with on the Sentinel site: Butland Shawcross-BMI-Wimmer Diouf-Fletcher-Allen-Pieters Shaq-Choupo-Jese
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2017 19:18:43 GMT
I wish we'd bin the idea of playing Jese and Moting together unless it's either side of a striker.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2017 19:29:12 GMT
I wish we'd bin the idea of playing Jese and Moting together unless it's either side of a striker. Don't suppose you can really argue with the results in the Arse and Man Utd games. So, from that perspective, if he rolled it out again on Saturday, it's defensible against another top team where the shape of the game will be pretty similar. But, yeah, I definitely think we should be making a straight choice between Diouf and Crouch (and Berahino) in the majority of games - as underwhelming as that choice is
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 20, 2017 19:32:58 GMT
..................Butland................... ....Wimmer.......Shawcross.......Indi....... Diouf......Fletcher......Allen......Pieters .....Shaq..........Crouch.........Chapou.... I won't play Johnson at any cost, I will keep Ryan in the middle no matter what, I really don't want to play Wimmer, but have to because of lack of options! We look very threadbare at the back and midfield right now! A couple of injuries and we're in real trouble! Subs: Grant, Edwards (if fit), Soutar, Ramadan, Jese, Berahino, Adam.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2017 19:33:22 GMT
I wish we'd bin the idea of playing Jese and Moting together unless it's either side of a striker. Don't suppose you can really argue with the results in the Arse and Man Utd games. So, from that perspective, if he rolled it out again on Saturday, it's defensible against another top team where the shape of the game will be pretty similar. But, yeah, I definitely think we should be making a straight choice between Diouf and Crouch (and Berahino) in the majority of games - as underwhelming as that choice is Neither have played well or added anything to the side up front though in those games. And then when Moting goes on the wing he looks a completely different player. Moting up front should have been binned Arsenal and Jese shouldn't have started against Man Yoo. He's got to be ruthless up front as we still look toothless.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 20, 2017 19:39:08 GMT
Shawcross CANNOT play on the right side of a 3, it would be a disaster.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2017 19:41:10 GMT
Don't suppose you can really argue with the results in the Arse and Man Utd games. So, from that perspective, if he rolled it out again on Saturday, it's defensible against another top team where the shape of the game will be pretty similar. But, yeah, I definitely think we should be making a straight choice between Diouf and Crouch (and Berahino) in the majority of games - as underwhelming as that choice is Neither have played well or added anything to the side up front though in those games. And then when Moting goes on the wing he looks a completely different player. Moting up front should have been binned Arsenal and Jese shouldn't have started against Man Yoo. He's got to be ruthless up front as we still look toothless. You wonder if he'd drop Jese though? After giving a player with his ego the big sell, it'd be a bit awkward to drop him this early, especially if he's using his football as some kind of release from his personal situation. Keeping him in and going down the false nine route is the path that doesn't rock the boat. If results continue to turn, he'll have to rock the boat though....
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2017 19:41:47 GMT
Shawcross CANNOT play on the right side of a 3, it would be a disaster. What's the alternative though, General?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 20, 2017 19:46:43 GMT
Shawcross CANNOT play on the right side of a 3, it would be a disaster. What's the alternative though, General? Off the top of my head I don't know with Cameron out but Ryan has to play in the middle, he would get horribly exposed being pulled out into the fullback positions.. would going to a back 4 be the worst thing in the world? Highly unlikely I know.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2017 19:50:48 GMT
Neither have played well or added anything to the side up front though in those games. And then when Moting goes on the wing he looks a completely different player. Moting up front should have been binned Arsenal and Jese shouldn't have started against Man Yoo. He's got to be ruthless up front as we still look toothless. You wonder if he'd drop Jese though? After giving a player with his ego the big sell, it'd be a bit awkward to drop him this early, especially if he's using his football as some kind of release from his personal situation. Keeping him in and going down the false nine route is the path that doesn't rock the boat. If results continue to turn, he'll have to rock the boat though.... I think he's got to. Both his and Moting's best games have come on the left. He's either got to drop one or go 4-2-3-1, which is my preference. Although it still looks really shit at right back. I think the current tactic is massively negative.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 19:58:58 GMT
Butland
Cameron Shawcross Wimmer
Diouf Fletcher Allen Pieters
Shaqiri Jesé Choupo-Moting
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 20, 2017 20:12:28 GMT
Butland Cameron Shawcross Wimmer Diouf Fletcher Allen Pieters Shaqiri Jesé Choupo-Moting Isn't Cameron injured, and you prefer Wimmer to Indi!?
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 20, 2017 20:16:53 GMT
Butland
Cameron if fit Shawcross Martin's Indi
Diouf Fletcher Allen Pieters
Shaqiri Berahino Choupo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 20:20:43 GMT
........butland........
... Indi Ryan wimmer...
Diouf Allen fletcher pieters
Shaq..... saido......moting
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 20:22:37 GMT
Butland Cameron Shawcross Wimmer Diouf Fletcher Allen Pieters Shaqiri Jesé Choupo-Moting Isn't Cameron injured, and you prefer Wimmer to Indi!? I thought he might be back? I was picking Hughes' team not necessarily mine......
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 20, 2017 20:22:51 GMT
You wonder if he'd drop Jese though? After giving a player with his ego the big sell, it'd be a bit awkward to drop him this early, especially if he's using his football as some kind of release from his personal situation. Keeping him in and going down the false nine route is the path that doesn't rock the boat. If results continue to turn, he'll have to rock the boat though.... I think he's got to. Both his and Moting's best games have come on the left. He's either got to drop one or go 4-2-3-1, which is my preference. Although it still looks really shit at right back. I think the current tactic is massively negative. I still hope for a return to 4-2-3-1 as well. It fits his three attacking midfielders better in behind a front man, who would be Diouf for me, and gets Erik and Ryan back to positions in which they are more comfortable. We need a proper striker in most games far more than we need a third centre half! I am sure he will match Chelsea's shape this weekend and play the team we all expect, but long term (ie until January!) I would prefer to see: Butland Cameron/Zouma Shawcross Martins Indi Pieters/Wimmer Fletcher Allen/Cameron Shaqiri Jese Choupo Moting Diouf For the either/ors, I'd play Kurt at right back, Erik on the left, and put Geoff in alongside Fletch based on current form.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2017 20:24:14 GMT
Really would be bloody marvellous to see Diouf up front but doubt it will happen in a million years.
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Post by walton corner on Sept 20, 2017 20:32:46 GMT
Butler vinny cranny Sandford Shaq Allen fletch moting Diouf jese
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2017 20:33:17 GMT
Really would be bloody marvellous to see Diouf up front but doubt it will happen in a million years. It would momo but who'd play wing back?Thats how pathetic it is
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 20, 2017 20:35:54 GMT
I'd go back to 4231 for Chelsea and go back to a tried and tested partnership
.........................Jack........................ GCam.......Ryan.......Indi............Eric ................Fletch.........Allen............. Shaq..................Jese.........Choupa ...........................Diouf....................
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Sept 20, 2017 20:47:02 GMT
Banks Marsh Bloor Smith Pejic Mahoney Bernard Conroy Eastham Ritchie Dobing.
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 20, 2017 20:48:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 20:58:11 GMT
I can't honestly believe people want Diouf at right wing back against Chelsea.
He was at fault for the Newcastle goal.
Was arguably at fault for the West Brom goal.
Was awful against Arsenal.
He works hard and is good going forward but his positional sense at the back is fucking awful.
Any one or a combination of Hazard, Willian, Pedro and Alonso will tear him several new arseholes.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2017 21:02:28 GMT
I can't honestly believe people want Diouf at right wing back against Chelsea. He was at fault for the Newcastle goal. Was arguably at fault for the West Brom goal. Was awful against Arsenal. He works hard and is good going forward but his positional sense at the back is fucking awful. Any one or a combination of Hazard, Willian, Pedro and Alonso will tear him several new arseholes. With Cameron almost certainly out though, it's looking like a choice of Mame, Johnson or Sobhi?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2017 21:03:37 GMT
Conte "We must prepare now in one day for Stoke City who are very strong at home"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 21:17:34 GMT
I can't honestly believe people want Diouf at right wing back against Chelsea. He was at fault for the Newcastle goal. Was arguably at fault for the West Brom goal. Was awful against Arsenal. He works hard and is good going forward but his positional sense at the back is fucking awful. Any one or a combination of Hazard, Willian, Pedro and Alonso will tear him several new arseholes. He wasn't at fault for the West Brom goal (still not seen the Newcastle goals if I'm honest). And he certainly wasn't awful against Arsenal in fact he played well. Oh and if we're talking goals let's not forget the one he put on a plate for Choupo Moting against ManUre. He'll negate the threat of Alonso better than any other player who could potentially play that role.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 21:18:37 GMT
I wouldn't be throwing young Butlqne in for his debut at this stage of his career....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 21:37:30 GMT
I can't honestly believe people want Diouf at right wing back against Chelsea. He was at fault for the Newcastle goal. Was arguably at fault for the West Brom goal. Was awful against Arsenal. He works hard and is good going forward but his positional sense at the back is fucking awful. Any one or a combination of Hazard, Willian, Pedro and Alonso will tear him several new arseholes. He wasn't at fault for the West Brom goal (still not seen the Newcastle goals if I'm honest). And he certainly wasn't awful against Arsenal in fact he played well. Oh and if we're talking goals let's not forget the one he put on a plate for Choupo Moting against ManUre. He'll negate the threat of Alonso better than any other player who could potentially play that role..... I stand corrected. Forgot Cameron played RWB against West Brom. He was caught ball watching against Newcastle which is his biggest problem. He's a forward and used to defending what is in front of him. You can't do that as a full back. But mate, honestly, played well against Arsenal. He continually got caught under the ball. In fact his weakness was their best attacking threat
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2017 21:41:39 GMT
He wasn't at fault for the West Brom goal (still not seen the Newcastle goals if I'm honest). And he certainly wasn't awful against Arsenal in fact he played well. Oh and if we're talking goals let's not forget the one he put on a plate for Choupo Moting against ManUre. He'll negate the threat of Alonso better than any other player who could potentially play that role..... I stand corrected. Forgot Cameron played RWB against West Brom. He was caught ball watching against Newcastle which is his biggest problem. He's a forward and used to defending what is in front of him. You can't do that as a full back. But mate, honestly, played well against Arsenal. He continually got caught under the ball. In fact his weakness was their best attacking threat And should have given away two penos. We were very lucky that game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 6:07:03 GMT
He wasn't at fault for the West Brom goal (still not seen the Newcastle goals if I'm honest). And he certainly wasn't awful against Arsenal in fact he played well. Oh and if we're talking goals let's not forget the one he put on a plate for Choupo Moting against ManUre. He'll negate the threat of Alonso better than any other player who could potentially play that role..... I stand corrected. Forgot Cameron played RWB against West Brom. He was caught ball watching against Newcastle which is his biggest problem. He's a forward and used to defending what is in front of him. You can't do that as a full back. But mate, honestly, played well against Arsenal. He continually got caught under the ball. In fact his weakness was their best attacking threat Like Bayern above people are getting fixated with him almost giving penalties away (one was a slip and one was never even discussed until MOTD decided to slow it right down to show slight contact). He played very well in that game I absolutely stand by that......
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