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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 19, 2017 21:08:19 GMT
I just wish he had more tactical nouse / motivational skills.
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 19, 2017 21:08:19 GMT
Don't know if I'll be too welcome here... Firstly fair play to your fans, bought 1.5k on a Tuesday night which is very decent and still sang when you were losing. Thought your team lacked the desire we showed and bar being a threat from set pieces you didn't show much going forward. We showed how good our strength in depth is, made 9 changes and still looked a threat when we had the ball. Anyway, as I said earlier good luck for the rest of the season Fancy trading managers?
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Post by jordan9915 on Sept 19, 2017 21:08:37 GMT
How did berahino, Ramadan and Tymon get on?
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Post by lordb on Sept 19, 2017 21:11:32 GMT
Fucking shit Stoke.
Big step backwards this week.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 19, 2017 21:12:11 GMT
Possession means fuck all - as we have proven recently - and Leicester were battering Liverpool in the last 15 mins when I posted, weren't sitting back on 2 0 and in stark contrast to our performance actually having a good go - for which they have been rewarded...... What about shots? Does that mean fuck all too? Oh for fucks sake - go and read the red and white kop My point was that Leicester were battering Liverpool in the last quarter and weren't sitting on their lead - i.e. Excellent attitude, application and desire - despite Liverpool having more of the play and more shots earlier in the game, which as a i said means fuck all - it's conversions that count.. Thank you and goodnight
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 21:14:07 GMT
Serious question.
Is the net spend of -7M coming back to bite us early on?
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Post by ginkgo on Sept 19, 2017 21:14:21 GMT
Silly man , i never want us to lose , it simply underlines what I've said all along under invested squad will be exposed , Month by month as the season progresses , tonight's version is ramadan who I've said all along has all the makings the Egyptian break shea ( to think he was the Redmond cheap alternative ) and tymon hopelessly exposed , the lack of depth in midfield staggering ( Adam not Delph or lemina or Allen ) the lack of fire power mind boggling as the free transfers, flawed and injured goods plus a 35 year old fail again , but that's what happens when you consistently under invest , the CEO can get home tonight and look at the +£12m in the bank and he needn't bother getting Up for tomorrow's cup draw to suggest the two aren't linked utter garbage , our reliance on the old guard of shawcross and Cameron increasing not decreasing The silver lining being we can now at least focus entirely on getting somewhere near 20 points before the next window opens and save the key players , butland , Ryan , Geoff , Fletcher Shaq , and that for me has always been the only realistic priority once we let the three players required run to deadline day and then beyond .
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Post by bristolcityfan on Sept 19, 2017 21:15:40 GMT
Any one was in the stadium to give us a fair rating for the players and causes of the loss From a not so glum view... Grant 7 made some good stops and commanded his box well, let down by his centre halfs Martins Indi 5 thought he was poor and couldn't deal with our attack Wimmer 4 Burnt by Matty Taylor for both goals, didn't look like an 18mill player Zouma 6 Very strong in the air, not great with the ball at his feet Johnson 6 didn't do much going forward, decent defensively Fletcher 6 Showed his experience at times but lacked the pace to deal with our pressing and high tempo Adam 5 very good at set pieces but did nothing in open play bar a couple of decent balls, disappointing Tymon 5 looked alright on the ball but did nothing with it Chupo Moting 4 poor imo, thought he'd be a menace but did nothing Crouch 4 looked like a donkey unfortunately bar a couple of decent flicks Ramadan 4 bar an early tantrum forgot he was playing Subs Berahino 5 looked dangerous but skewed a good chance horribly Shaqiri 6 looked like he is a class player but didn't do anything special Diouf na did nothing
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Post by bristolcityfan on Sept 19, 2017 21:17:15 GMT
Don't know if I'll be too welcome here... Firstly fair play to your fans, bought 1.5k on a Tuesday night which is very decent and still sang when you were losing. Thought your team lacked the desire we showed and bar being a threat from set pieces you didn't show much going forward. We showed how good our strength in depth is, made 9 changes and still looked a threat when we had the ball. Anyway, as I said earlier good luck for the rest of the season Fancy trading managers? 6 months ago I'd have bitten your hand off, not any more though haha
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 19, 2017 21:19:04 GMT
Hi all As previously mentioned you'll be in the ateyo stand, much better than the east end (where away fans used to be) We will make plenty of changes tonight I'd reckon, as we did for Watford in the last round, how many changes is anyone's guess though. Looking forward to see what team you put out as apparently Hughes is taken this competition seriously? Should be a good game either way We like to play on the floor with a high tempo, high pressing game and it's worked well so far, especially in the last few games I'd go for 3-2 to you after extra time but I'll probably be miles out! Hope you all have a safe trip tonight and good luck for the rest of the season (especially v Chelski at the weekend...) You were miles out mate. Well done. Good luck for the rest of the season.
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Post by jordan9915 on Sept 19, 2017 21:19:58 GMT
Haven't been convinced by jese, Allen, winner, pierter (going forwards), berahino so far this season. Crouch is the only player to make an impact off the bench. Shaq and choupo are our only good players going forward but they can't score all our goals off the wing. Fletcher has been class in the middle but can't run it by himself. Think it's time for change. Take erik, diouf, winner, Allen, jese out of the team. Bring in tymon, Edwards, shawcross, Cameron and crouch. Something's got to change because this is getting worse by the game! Embarrassing stoke. Fucking embarrassing! Things need to change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 21:20:13 GMT
Biggest problem is that our attack lacks any cutting edge.
The other trouble with us is our defence is poor and therefore to get points we rely on; a. luck b. goalkeeper heroics c. opposing team missing chances d. poor refereeing decisions
We have had all of these in abundance so far this season getting us point at WBA (luck), three points Arsenal (all of them), and point Manure (luck and goaly).
In order for us to get points we need to rely too heavily on these factors. Newcastle did the missing chances bit but still beat us as we again were toothless. Tonight we had excellent goalkeeper but again still lost as toothless attack and dreadful defending.
If this continues we will be in a relegation battle.
It is plain to see
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 19, 2017 21:23:22 GMT
How did berahino, Ramadan and Tymon get on? I know mate scandalous 😁
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Post by ginkgo on Sept 19, 2017 21:26:06 GMT
Silly man , i never want us to lose , it simply underlines what I've said all along under invested squad will be exposed , Month by month as the season progresses , tonight's version is ramadan who I've said all along has all the makings the Egyptian break shea ( to think he was the Redmond cheap alternative ) and tymon hopelessly exposed , the lack of depth in midfield staggering ( Adam not Delph or lemina or Allen ) the lack of fire power mind boggling as the free transfers, flawed and injured goods plus a 35 year old fail again , but that's what happens when you consistently under invest , the CEO can get home tonight and look at the +£12m in the bank and he needn't bother getting Up for tomorrow's cup draw to suggest the two aren't linked utter garbage , our reliance on the old guard of shawcross and Cameron increasing not decreasing The silver lining being we can now at least focus entirely on getting somewhere near 20 points before the next window opens and save the key players , butland , Ryan , Geoff , Fletcher Shaq , and that for me has always been the only realistic priority once we let the three players required run to deadline day and then beyond . Stokes record with big money transfers only goes to show how poor our recruitment is. I wished we'd spent far less on players. If the club had a £10 million ceiling we'd be have a massive negative net spend and be no worse off.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 19, 2017 21:31:02 GMT
Serious question. Is the net spend of -7M coming back to bite us early on? Yeah, it's OK and fun to mock Benji, but we are tight as gnat's twats and sometimes you get what you pay for.
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Post by stokemark on Sept 19, 2017 21:34:53 GMT
Silly man , i never want us to lose , it simply underlines what I've said all along under invested squad will be exposed , Month by month as the season progresses , tonight's version is ramadan who I've said all along has all the makings the Egyptian break shea ( to think he was the Redmond cheap alternative ) and tymon hopelessly exposed , the lack of depth in midfield staggering ( Adam not Delph or lemina or Allen ) the lack of fire power mind boggling as the free transfers, flawed and injured goods plus a 35 year old fail again , but that's what happens when you consistently under invest , the CEO can get home tonight and look at the +£12m in the bank and he needn't bother getting Up for tomorrow's cup draw to suggest the two aren't linked utter garbage , our reliance on the old guard of shawcross and Cameron increasing not decreasing The silver lining being we can now at least focus entirely on getting somewhere near 20 points before the next window opens and save the key players , butland , Ryan , Geoff , Fletcher Shaq , and that for me has always been the only realistic priority once we let the three players required run to deadline day and then beyond . Stokes record with big money transfers only goes to show how poor our recruitment is. I wished we'd spent far less on players. If the club had a £10 million ceiling we'd be have a massive negative net spend and be no worse off. 'wish we'd spent far less' overall we have spent -£7m how much fucking less do you want ?
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Post by PB1863 on Sept 19, 2017 21:53:48 GMT
Why didn't Hughes play the kids? I'm sure it would have been a similar result but it would have given him chance to see how they performed. He would have had support from the fans ( most im sure) as compared to now when he's copping a hiding
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 19, 2017 22:20:59 GMT
'He's got some pace this lad....' One of Nige's beautiful 'feint's' when he momentarily forgets the name... Denis's positivity has rubbed off on him a bit... I'm off the pub to drown me sorrows. Where's me crack pipe? In the wash?
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 19, 2017 22:26:33 GMT
leicester battering the dippers- great attitude and with plenty of first team rested as well weird that as Liverpool should have been 3 or 4 up against a woeful Leicester. Same team that then scored with their first shot on target. But feel free to make shit up about Leicester battering them I refer you to the answer I gave to the honourable gentleman previously...... Leicester bided their time and had some luck but once they had their noses ahead battered Liverpool in the last quarter and didn't sit back trying to defend a slender lead - a commendable response and great attitude for which they have been rewarded..... Stoke however .......or do you want to make some shit up ??
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2017 22:28:06 GMT
I didn't go, so my views are only based on the radio and other posters comments:
The lessons learnt tonight (and the last 10 years!):
1. We still have older players who need to be moved on, notably Johnson and Adam, at the next opportunity; they don't give us anything any longer.
2. Is Geoff Cameron our most significant player? He has his limitations and gets used as a utility man, but we seem a lot weaker without his athleticism in the team and a lot more solid when he plays.
3. If you are going to play 3 at the back, you need to be prepared to defend balls into the corners and proper WBs; if you play with a "high-line" you need to be prepared for the opposition to hit the ball into the space behind you. We have been exposed badly the last 2 matches.
4. We can't rely solely on Fletcher doing all the creative work and Adam makes as many bad passes as good ones, exposing us to counter-attacks.
5. There is a lack of mobility in the side, the sole exception being Allen, although Ramadan did show some mobility but is too slow to use the ball.
6. Wimmer and Tymon are extremely ring rusty. You cannot expect players who have not played regularly at the top level to just turn it on straight away. We have seen the same problem with a string of "bench warmers" now.
7. Grant is still an excellent keeper.
8. 10 years in the Prem and we will never have a 15+ goals a season striker no matter how good he is, if you don't create openings and give him the service. This is something both managers we have had have failed to do. I accept in Pulis' case it was never his intent to score many goals from open play.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 19, 2017 22:33:42 GMT
So, just got home from work, figured I check the scores. FFS, pull the other one. I don't even want to know what the hell happened.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 19, 2017 22:34:05 GMT
I didn't go, so my views are only based on the radio and other posters comments: 7. Grant is still an excellent keeper. .....saved our bacon more times than I care to remember last season........top bloke....
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Post by Godo on Sept 19, 2017 22:44:15 GMT
Sadly confirmed my fear that you can't start with Crouch anymore, that the depth in the squad in central midfield is woefully inadequate, that we can't defend the most bog standard of long balls and that Tottenham have ripped us off again!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 19, 2017 22:48:17 GMT
Sadly confirmed my fear that you can't start with Crouch anymore, that the depth in the squad in central midfield is woefully inadequate, that we can't defend the most bog standard of long balls and that Tottenham have ripped us off again! Apart from that, though...
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Sept 19, 2017 23:04:39 GMT
Just got back from the game.
I thought we played the first half like a friendly. Didn't break sweat. And then although we came out more positively let in appalling goals.
Inept passing and finishing meant that we never even looked like getting a undeserved result.
Very very disappointed with Ramadan. Pissing around too much even when clean through on goal. Then finally did something positive by robbing the defender and still played a poor pass to Berahino which would have been a sitter.
Wimmer looked ponderous and Choupo as if he was surprised how hard the opposition were trying!
Gutless overall.
Exemptions given to Grant who was excellent and Zouma who tried. Berahino too. As for Charlie Adam......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 1:40:20 GMT
Serious question. Is the net spend of -7M coming back to bite us early on? Biting like a hungry gravity crocodile.
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Post by maine on Sept 20, 2017 2:12:40 GMT
Yes Grant is an excellent keeper. Maybe we'd have pinched a point v Newcastle if he'd been playing? btw where's all the scripts blaming Joe for the goals?
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 20, 2017 3:32:08 GMT
Thank fuck this wasn't televised, I'd have alcohol poisoning from the sound of this, there isn't enough bourbon to drown out such an abject performance bless my heart I didn't witness it.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 20, 2017 4:17:46 GMT
Not just back from the game, but already awake for an early shift.
A conclusion or two. 2 words...no direction. 1st half I have never seen so much gesticulation & hand signals from players, as it genuinely looked like we didn't know what formation we should have been playing. Apart from the last minute of 1st half, we offered nowt & deserved nowt.
2nd was like watching some of last seasons games again in some sad de ja vous episode. As per someone else, Ramadan needs to get his idea of basics right by stopping the pissing about & supplying crosses that are decent. Adam sadly should be nowhere near our 1st team again, and should have been substituted a lot earlier than he was.
The referee was inept, but Im not giving Leslie an excuse for the evening at Ashton Gate. Wimmer will become this seasons Spurs buy/German defender boo boy by the end of October. (Yes he is Austrian, but some of our fans last night seemed to have forgotten Austria was annexed by Germany a few years ago). Any neutral will have struggled to guess who the Premier team was last night, and which team had made 9 changes with a good peppering of youth as a bonus. I hope the Potteries bound Stokies had a safe and I bet diverted M5/M6 journey home last night, at least it was a very quick hour back for me
Taking the cups seriously eh Mr Hughes? Must be focusing then on the FA Cup in Jan......if your still with the club by then
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 20, 2017 4:42:18 GMT
Very very poor performance especially from Adam, Wimmer, Indi and Moting. Special mention to Grant who can make the odd save but do nothing else - both goals came direct from his pathetic kicking.
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