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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 7:18:52 GMT
So you chase a player for 18 months/2 years and finally sign him at a cut price. At first you let him get fit and then give him a run of games. He doesn't score. The 36 year old striker you've tried to ween off is still doing the business and even the bloke you rate more as right back than a striker scores a goal from up front in that time.
The summer comes and said player has worked hard (too hard?) to get ready and in shape for the season ahead. You hope he impresses in pre season. He gets outshone and outscored by a bloke you have no intention of keeping and then sell.
The season starts and so does he. He's ok, he does what he's done in most games so far, put a load of effort in but not been much of a threat barring one exquisite through ball assist. And in this time the two new forward players you have signed have both scored more than him.
What can we do? We need a striker to work for us sooner rather than later. Will he get another decent chance? I saw a suggestion of loaning him to St Pauli on another thread. Has it really got that desperate for him?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 7:23:31 GMT
Sadly this is going down the same Imbula path.
Loads of chances, either he is not fancied by the Manager, or he just doesn't do enough in training to get the nod.
Next week against Brizzle in the cup, he absolutely must start, and must shine....Otherwise, yet another misfiring misfit.
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Post by leoncort on Sept 12, 2017 7:30:46 GMT
Its been 4 games, and within those 4 games he assisted the goal in our only win? he's had an impact and with that his confidence will grow. He will bag in the cup next week and his confidence will only grow and he will impact games even more. I'm sticking with the lad.
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Post by Northy on Sept 12, 2017 7:36:14 GMT
Sadly this is going down the same Imbula path. Loads of chances, either he is not fancied by the Manager, or he just doesn't do enough in training to get the nod. Next week against Brizzle in the cup, he absolutely must start, and must shine....Otherwise, yet another misfiring misfit. Not the same as Imbula, Berahino is at least trying hard. There could be a game when we go 4-4-2 and he's up front with Crouch, where he could do well, maybe against Brizzle City |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 7:43:10 GMT
Its been 4 games, and within those 4 games he assisted the goal in our only win? he's had an impact and with that his confidence will grow. He will bag in the cup next week and his confidence will only grow and he will impact games even more. I'm sticking with the lad. So am I. I'm not sure about the manager...... And people including me have been saying what you have there since he signed and he just hasn't done it. |
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 12, 2017 7:43:47 GMT
Why he didn't start or even play against Rochdale is beyond me. He could have scored 6 in that game.
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Post by wrighter on Sept 12, 2017 7:43:50 GMT
He will come good, im pretty sure of that
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 12, 2017 7:46:13 GMT
Dig out the receipt and hope WBA have an overly-generous returns policy.
To be fair to the lad, I really, really hope he comes good after this kind of 'start'.
And hate to say it but I fear that, having learned the hard way from Levy at Spuds, old VT really took our pants down on this one.
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 12, 2017 7:47:07 GMT
I've been one of Berahino's biggest critics, but after seeing him winning the ball shouder to shoulder in United's penalty area I think the determination and will is there and he will make it. He is getting stronger and more confident, he just needs that first league goal to re-invent hiself as a goal scorer.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 12, 2017 7:48:21 GMT
He is a talented footballer and has a good attitude. He is bound to be in a quandary himself about what is wrong and will be trying his best. It's not like he is missing lots of chances to score or not trying.
To succeed you need talent, application, and opportunity, but you also need a bit of luck. We need to be patient and Berahino needs not to give up trying.
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Post by alster on Sept 12, 2017 7:54:52 GMT
Its been 4 games, and within those 4 games he assisted the goal in our only win? he's had an impact and with that his confidence will grow. He will bag in the cup next week and his confidence will only grow and he will impact games even more. I'm sticking with the lad. So am I. I'm not sure about the manager...... And people including me have been saying what you have there since he signed and he just hasn't done it. I really don't get why people have such a downer on him. Whoever he plays as the central striker struggles its not a one player issue. Only Crouch so far has scored whilst playing in the central striker role and he's a completely different type of player to Jese or Berahino. He should have signed a powerful mobile targetman but he hasn't, he doesn't want to start Crouch with all the mobility issues that he brings to the whole team, correctly IMO. He doesn't want to adapt his gameplan to suit any of the others. Its still a real headscratcher despite our very pleasing start. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 8:01:12 GMT
Any of our resident ITK brigade know what his fellow players think of him.
It was glaringly obvious that Imbula was a complete misfit, and painfully obvious how unpopular he was with the squad.
From the body language I have seen from Bera, this appears not to be the case, lets hope once he pops he can't stop...As they say in the Pringle advert...
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Post by leoncort on Sept 12, 2017 8:01:37 GMT
Its been 4 games, and within those 4 games he assisted the goal in our only win? he's had an impact and with that his confidence will grow. He will bag in the cup next week and his confidence will only grow and he will impact games even more. I'm sticking with the lad. So am I. I'm not sure about the manager...... And people including me have been saying what you have there since he signed and he just hasn't done it. I think Hughes is sticking with him. He's just turned 24 and has over 20 premier league goals, his attitude has been bang on this last 6 months and he has spent the summer getting fit. He'll get his chance and he'll take it. Can't write him off after these 4 games because he's not started 3 of them and when he has come on he's had an impact. |
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Post by fraybentos on Sept 12, 2017 8:03:02 GMT
Hes actually starting to look like a striker now, first goal will come from the spot and he'll get on a roll
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 8:06:38 GMT
So am I. I'm not sure about the manager...... And people including me have been saying what you have there since he signed and he just hasn't done it. I think Hughes is sticking with him. He's just turned 24 and has over 20 premier league goals, his attitude has been bang on this last 6 months and he has spent the summer getting fit. He'll get his chance and he'll take it. Can't write him off after these 4 games because he's not started 3 of them and when he has come on he's had an impact. Him not starting 3 of them is part of the issue imo. Why hasn't he? |
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Post by alster on Sept 12, 2017 8:10:52 GMT
I think Hughes is sticking with him. He's just turned 24 and has over 20 premier league goals, his attitude has been bang on this last 6 months and he has spent the summer getting fit. He'll get his chance and he'll take it. Can't write him off after these 4 games because he's not started 3 of them and when he has come on he's had an impact. Him not starting 3 of them is part of the issue imo. Why hasn't he? Again what has it got to do with him as an individual, Hughes' handling of the central strikers is mystifying. |
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Post by leoncort on Sept 12, 2017 8:19:57 GMT
I think Hughes is sticking with him. He's just turned 24 and has over 20 premier league goals, his attitude has been bang on this last 6 months and he has spent the summer getting fit. He'll get his chance and he'll take it. Can't write him off after these 4 games because he's not started 3 of them and when he has come on he's had an impact. Him not starting 3 of them is part of the issue imo. Why hasn't he? Because we've brought in Jesé? and Choupo is better out wide and Shaq is a guaranteed starter? Jesé scored on his debut which buys him time in the side and he has impressed since coming in. Meaning Berahino now must show what he can do from the bench, and in my opinion he has impacted, as has crouch. We've got competition, and healthy competition which will only bring the best out of the forwards, Berahino included. Last term he was isolated up top in a team with no direction, totally different this year. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 12, 2017 8:41:27 GMT
As well as not scoring goals I just dont see what he brings to the team
- hes not fast
- he cant hold up the ball
- hes not tricky
- he cant make chances for himself
- hes not a lone striker
Hes a fox-in-the-box type striker but he doesnt fit in our system. He doesnt offer enough outside of the box. Plus he has a lack of confidence.
Im not writing him off and hope he comes good. But I am struggling to see how he will contribute in our general play upfront on his own. He needs a strike partner
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Post by mickmacc on Sept 12, 2017 8:45:03 GMT
Its been year since he scored a goal. Hughes has obviously given up on him quite rightly. The fact he came on against United instead of Crouch was absurd. Crouch had two goals in two games! I'm told he doesn't even score in training! In fact he got his first only the other day and the whole team applauded. Embarrassing.
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Post by leoncort on Sept 12, 2017 8:45:08 GMT
As well as not scoring goals I just dont see what he brings to the team - hes not fast - he cant hold up the ball - hes not tricky - he cant make chances for himself - hes not a lone striker Hes a fox-in-the-box type striker but he doesnt fit in our system. He doesnt offer enough outside of the box. Plus he has a lack of confidence. Im not writing him off and hope he comes good. But I am struggling to see how he will contribute in our general play upfront on his own. He needs a strike partner You've literally just written him off? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 8:45:38 GMT
He'll come good!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 12, 2017 8:49:35 GMT
Cant we put him in a few Youth Team games? Lets see if he can start scoring for the U23's
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 12, 2017 8:56:44 GMT
He'll finish the season on 14 goals and all will end well.
Hughes was right to keep him out of the WBA game, they (Players and crowd) would have targeted him and he probably would have done something daft.
The team are doing well, when the time is right he'll be brought back in and soon be on the scoresheet.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2017 9:00:31 GMT
Hard to see how this is going to resolve itself.
He doesn't even always seem to be the chosen man off the bench.
Can't see Jese or Choupo being dropped in the short-term (despite neither of them looking like strikers) and Crouch will always get minutes.
Tricky one, especially with him being on 70 grand-a-week for the next 5 years.
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Sept 12, 2017 9:02:24 GMT
I suppose it depends if Hughes has any intention of playing with an out and out striker, or changes his formation to two up top. If not (which I think is the case) then SB coming off the bench with his pace is a good option IMO. In an ideal world, we would offload both him and Crouch and sign a Benteke type player on 100K a week.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but we will probably have a clearer picture come Xmas.
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Post by cooper67 on Sept 12, 2017 9:39:08 GMT
He'll finish the season on 14 goals and all will end well. Hughes was right to keep him out of the WBA game, they (Players and crowd) would have targeted him and he probably would have done something daft. The team are doing well, when the time is right he'll be brought back in and soon be on the scoresheet. He played last season against WBA-what would have been any different then? |
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 12, 2017 10:02:10 GMT
Its been 4 games, and within those 4 games he assisted the goal in our only win? he's had an impact and with that his confidence will grow. He will bag in the cup next week and his confidence will only grow and he will impact games even more. I'm sticking with the lad. This, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "He will bag in the cup next week...". Given his time at the club and what he's done, and considering the new players that have arrived, Hughes sees him as a squad player. Because of that assist against The Arse, we now have 5 points instead of 3. Also, because we can't afford to splash out 60/70 million quid to buy a guaranteed goal scorer like Aguero (et al), we have to take a chance on buying players like Berahino and hope they pay off. If not, then providing he's putting in the effort and adding something when he comes on, then I'll settle for that and hope that his goalscoring touch returns one day. So I'm okay with the lad. OS. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 12, 2017 10:06:17 GMT
Its been year since he scored a goal. Hughes has obviously given up on him quite rightly. The fact he came on against United instead of Crouch was absurd. Crouch had two goals in two games! I'm told he doesn't even score in training! In fact he got his first only the other day and the whole team applauded. Embarrassing. Seriously, are you Peter Crouch's dad, agent or wife? Why are all your posts either about Crouch or slating any of our strikers who aren't Crouch? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 10:07:59 GMT
Him not starting 3 of them is part of the issue imo. Why hasn't he? Because we've brought in Jesé? and Choupo is better out wide and Shaq is a guaranteed starter? Jesé scored on his debut which buys him time in the side and he has impressed since coming in. Meaning Berahino now must show what he can do from the bench, and in my opinion he has impacted, as has crouch. We've got competition, and healthy competition which will only bring the best out of the forwards, Berahino included. Last term he was isolated up top in a team with no direction, totally different this year. Indeed thus sending him (Berahino) to the edge of the scrapheap. Shaq shouldn't be a guaranteed and indeed I think our best attacking display has been without Shaq this season with Choupo on the right, Berahino up top and Jese on the left (that's what got me thinking about Berahino tbh). It could be different but he isn't being given the minutes...... |
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Post by magwitch on Sept 12, 2017 10:17:47 GMT
If all he lacks is confidence, which I doubt, put him in the U23s. If that doesn't work, then it's a loan. If a loan doesn't work, MH really has another Imbula, who can't perform because of a language/cultural difficulty and/or doesn't like the weather. I'm open to suggestions for an excuse to apply to Berahino other than the lack of confidence or can't play in the Stoke system or has taken a dislike to Hughes' tactical thinking.The longer this goes on, the worse it will get. Perhaps he needs French lessons.
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